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Paul Markham 03-13-2018 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22236180)
Mega farms can afford these, but tell again about family farms affording them

Same argument the slavers used.

tfto 03-13-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22235998)
Are you out of your mind? I'm making this up?

https://i.imgur.com/VsPYxsi.png

You've even said here you're against sanctuary cities. So tell us, why are you against sanctuary cities??

That pretty much says it all... And Bladelier is still a fuckin moron.

pimpmaster9000 03-13-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22236669)
Same argument the slavers used.

you dumb fuck LOL

beerptrol 03-13-2018 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22235998)
Are you out of your mind? I'm making this up?

https://i.imgur.com/VsPYxsi.png

You've even said here you're against sanctuary cities. So tell us, why are you against sanctuary cities??

and how many trillions do we give to the rich and corporations in tax cuts and other subsidies?
How many billions are wasted on over priced military hardware that often doesn't work or just sits there

Shove your agenda up your ass, you neo nazi fucktard

pimpmaster9000 03-13-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22236773)
and how many trillions do we give to the rich and corporations in tax cuts and other subsidies?
How many billions are wasted on over priced military hardware that often doesn't work or just sits there

Shove your agenda up your ass, you neo nazi fucktard

I bet the actual cost in not 1/10th of the stated amounts and that the rest is pocketed by crooked politicians and cronies...

brassmonkey 03-13-2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22236481)
Get out of your Mum's basement aamd into the garden and grow some food. You will find how many have to be grown from seeds again every year.

Some people expose their ignorance so easily.

you wanna see my plants? email me i grow peppers okra swiss chard and a bunch of lettuce. i gave up on eating meat(well i eat it like twice a month) :1orglaugh

OneHungLo 03-13-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22236467)
they tried to abolish negative gearing in australia in the 80-s...parasites like you would not get tax breaks for buying up properties and renting them out but it did not work because the parasites passed on the cost to tenants...I find it most amusing how you play dumb to your parasite nature...you priced out people like paul out of the UK tho :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Negative gearing doesn't exist in the US. You're talking about the Australian market. You're confusing 1031 exchanges with negative gearing. As usual, you're twittling your foreskin and rambling on about shit you don't understand :2 cents:

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22236981)
Negative gearing doesn't exist in the US. You're talking about the Australian market. You're confusing 1031 exchanges with negative gearing. As usual, you're twittling your foreskin and rambling on about shit you don't understand :2 cents:

oh so you call it "1031 exchange" instead of negative gearing...then it totally does not count if you change the name to something else :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CarlosTheGaucho 03-14-2018 03:37 AM

Just to put it into perspective, theoretically, I trust that the general rule is that you shouldn't be able to go on a dole in the US for 5 years, as a LEGAL immigrant.

But there's loopholes - firstly, about one in ten children born in US today, maybe even more already, is born to illegal aliens, becomes a citizen, and is therefore immediately eligible and signed up for means tested benefits. By the way the Supreme Court ruling related to the 14th amendment, birthright citizenship, remains one of the most controversial rulings in the US history, with vast repercussions.

Another loophole - for example California ruled it's illegal to ask about the immigration background. I'm not sure what are the rules in other so called sanctuary cities, but likely not too different. This has not been overruled even by the infamous ballot - proposition 187 where the citizens, in 1994, voted to stop benefits and public services usage by illegal aliens / undocumented migrants. This was merely ignored by the state administration at the time, and continues to be ignored by today, with ever growing vehemence.

Add in chain migration (pretty much uncontrolled, certainly not merit based, generally very low educational levels) that should constitute as much as 50 pct. of the current legal migration to US, associated high fertility rates, and you are heading towards a socio-economical disaster.

You can have all the rules in the world, yet they also need to be enforced, if you enable state entities to not enforce them, even oppose them, this surely, and inevitably gets out of hand.

Paul Markham 03-14-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22236823)
you wanna see my plants? email me i grow peppers okra swiss chard and a bunch of lettuce. i gave up on eating meat(well i eat it like twice a month) :1orglaugh

Then why did you make such a stupid statement about plants being ripped out?

Paul Markham 03-14-2018 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22236773)
and how many trillions do we give to the rich and corporations in tax cuts and other subsidies?
How many billions are wasted on over priced military hardware that often doesn't work or just sits there

Shove your agenda up your ass, you neo nazi fucktard

They give those tax breaks to companies that stay in the country and employ, make things and add something to the wealth of the country. And end up paying more in taxes than they would by moving out of the country.

Without the military hardware, you would be invaded and living under a foreign government.

brassmonkey 03-14-2018 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237280)
Then why did you make such a stupid statement about plants being ripped out?

mine are non gmo! and i dont kill the plants you old fuking ghoul

beerptrol 03-14-2018 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237280)
Then why did you make such a stupid statement about plants being ripped out?

lol once again you talk about something you know jack shit about. Those tomato harvesters pull/rip the entire tomato plant out of the ground
If you would have bothered to watch the first video you posted you would have seen that lol

Here's another little tid bit. They have to use a variety of tomato with a thicker skin so it can withstand the mechanical beating it takes. These are great for sauces

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237284)
They give those tax breaks to companies that stay in the country and employ, make things and add something to the wealth of the country. And end up paying more in taxes than they would by moving out of the country.

Without the military hardware, you would be invaded and living under a foreign government.

there is no solution to paul markhaming...everybody wants the cheap foreign products, like paul, and they will do everything to avoid hiring their own countrymen, like paul...

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237135)
oh so you call it "1031 exchange" instead of negative gearing...then it totally does not count if you change the name to something else :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Because they’re not the same ya big dummy.

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237435)
Because they’re not the same ya big dummy.

avoiding taxes through loopholes is the same thing under any other name...

Paul Markham 03-14-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22237286)
mine are non gmo! and i dont kill the plants you old fuking ghoul

Then how do you grow carrots, potatoes and cabbages every year from the same plant?

So are you happy to pay the extras in taxes to cover the benefits of migrants just so they can keep coming? I calculate your cheap food should carry an extra 10% tax so farmers can keep the cheap labour.

Paul Markham 03-14-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22237290)
lol once again you talk about something you know jack shit about. Those tomato harvesters pull/rip the entire tomato plant out of the ground
If you would have bothered to watch the first video you posted you would have seen that lol

Here's another little tid bit. They have to use a variety of tomato with a thicker skin so it can withstand the mechanical beating it takes. These are great for sauces

Says someone who never grew tomatoes. They have to be grown from seeds every year.

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237456)
avoiding taxes through loopholes is the same thing under any other name...

There's a big difference between tax deferred and a tax write-off. I guess all the people that have Roth IRAs are leeches as well?

And whole premise of your argument is that I'm a leech and artificially raising real estate prices by buying and renting multifamily properties is laughable. I guess you could make an argument that people buying up real estate, specifically real estate that the income doesn't cover the expenses for a tax write-off could possibly affect home prices (supply vs demand), but that's not what I do here because the tax laws don't allow me to do it.

But again, I don't know enough about negative gearing to make a statement. Like I said, on its face you could say buying up all those properties just for a TAX WRITE-OFF will most likely raise the prices and price people out of the market (BAD), but then again many people have their net worth tied up in their homes so their net worth rises and ancillary effects of higher priced property such as higher property taxes would be good for the city/town (GOOD).

beerptrol 03-14-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237472)
Says someone who never grew tomatoes. They have to be grown from seeds every year.

Please stop. You're so fucking stupid and senile

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237481)
There's a big difference between tax deferred and a tax write-off. I guess all the people that have Roth IRAs are leeches as well?

And whole premise of your argument is that I'm a leech and artificially raising real estate prices by buying and renting multifamily properties is laughable. I guess you could make an argument that people buying up real estate, specifically real estate that the income doesn't cover the expenses for a tax write-off could possibly affect home prices (supply vs demand), but that's not what I do here because the tax laws don't allow me to do it.

But again, I don't know enough about negative gearing to make a statement. Like I said, on its face you could say buying up all those properties just for a TAX WRITE-OFF will most likely raise the prices and price people out of the market (BAD), but then again many people have their net worth tied up in their homes so their net worth rises and ancillary effects of higher priced property such as higher property taxes would be good for the city/town (GOOD).

everybody who speculates on housing is a leech...you see the banks literally print money out of thin air and this creates debt and inflation...how much did prices of real estate rise in the USA in the last 10 years? Like 100%? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the ones with access to the printed-out-of-thin-air money leech off of those who do not have access to it...it is undemocratic allocation of money and creating debt that is payed off by working people and the money goes to leeches and parasites...

whether its tax differed or a write off makes little difference...the core idea of real estate investing is parasitic...this is why homes in san francisco for example cost 1.000.000$ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

how every you look at it, no matter how many people have their net worth in it, it is a parasitic practice...

also banks prefer this speculative investment over investment in creating jobs for example...it is classic trickle up...

you are a leech :2 cents:

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237514)
everybody who speculates on housing is a leech...you see the banks literally print money out of thin air and this creates debt and inflation...how much did prices of real estate rise in the USA in the last 10 years? Like 100%? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the ones with access to the printed-out-of-thin-air money leech off of those who do not have access to it...it is undemocratic allocation of money and creating debt that is payed off by working people and the money goes to leeches and parasites...

whether its tax differed or a write off makes little difference...the core idea of real estate investing is parasitic...this is why homes in san francisco for example cost 1.000.000$ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

how every you look at it, no matter how many people have their net worth in it, it is a parasitic practice...

also banks prefer this speculative investment over investment in creating jobs for example...it is classic trickle up...

you are a leech :2 cents:

So who owns or supplies housing in crucifissio's make believe world? The government? Are you communist? And does this apply to other businesses you could potentially take a loan out for? Such as a grocery or liquor store, or anything else you buy in bulk to make a profit (aka leeching).

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237543)
So who owns or supplies housing in crucifissio's make believe world? The government? Are you communist? And does this apply to other businesses you could potentially take a loan out for? Such as a grocery or liquor store, or anything else you buy in bulk to make a profit (aka leeching).


printed-out-of-thin-air money that is given to individuals who will create a business and jobs is good...the west was built by creating massive debt there is no doubt about this...

printed-out-of-thin-air money that is given to the wealthy few so that they can bulk buy property for profit is bad...I am not even taking the tax breaks in to account here...

many more people would be able to afford housing, and have greater disposable income and the market would be better for everybody if bulk buying of property for profit was outlawed...when I was in london the entire side of the street where I lived belonged to the duke of something (I do not remember his title)...trickle up :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:27 PM

So basically, according to crucifissio, if I work hard and save up enough money for a down payment on a multifamily, buy it, manage it, create money through my hard work, good management of my investment, I'm a leech? Maybe to a communist or socialist but certainly not a capitalist.

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237555)
printed-out-of-thin-air money that is given to individuals who will create a business and jobs is good...the west was built by creating massive debt there is no doubt about this...

printed-out-of-thin-air money that is given to the wealthy few so that they can bulk buy property for profit is bad...I am not even taking the tax breaks in to account here...

many more people would be able to afford housing, and have greater disposable income and the market would be better for everybody if bulk buying of property for profit was outlawed...when I was in london the entire side of the street where I lived belonged to the duke of something (I do not remember his title)...trickle up :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

You didn't tell me how it's supposed to work. Who provides housing if you take away individual property rights?

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237563)
You didn't tell me how it's supposed to work. Who provides housing if you take away individual property rights?

I am not advocating taking away individual property rights...I am saying that bulk purchase of real estate, for profit, obviously increases real estate prices and makes it inaccessible for normal people by means of inflated price...how hard is that to understand?

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237566)
I am not advocating taking away individual property rights...I am saying that bulk purchase of real estate, for profit, obviously increases real estate prices and makes it inaccessible for normal people by means of inflated price...how hard is that to understand?

But how does it work? Obviously not *everyone* can afford a home because there are so many factors that go into home prices, raw material costs, land etc., so who supplies people with housing?

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237566)
I am not advocating taking away individual property rights...I am saying that bulk purchase of real estate, for profit, obviously increases real estate prices and makes it inaccessible for normal people by means of inflated price...how hard is that to understand?

So if I take a loan out and build an 100 unit apartment complex, I'm inflating the price of single family homes?

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237570)
But how does it work? Obviously not *everyone* can afford a home because there are so many factors that go into home prices, raw material costs etc., who supplies people with housing?

more people would be able to afford a home and not be in rent slavery if houses were cheaper and banks and speculators did not mass abuse the undemocratic allocation of printed-out-of-thin-air money...for example I built a 5 apartment house on a plot of land for 50.000 euros...there were no bank credits back then, hyperinflation and sanctions made it impossible to get one...I got cheap materials because there was no great demand for it and the plot of land was basically worthless I got it from my grandmother...truth be told I did not finish the interior bathrooms and there are no kitchens its just an empty house with walls and windows...I did not need a bank credit...I could have built a 1 apartment home for around 15K easily and installed bathroom tiles and a kitchen etc...

you are falsely assuming that nobody would have homes if people like you do not buy shit up in bulk with printed out of thin air money...this is simply not true...more people could afford homes if crony speculation was not such a "thing"...

it is hilarious that you try to paint your profession as a necessity :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237573)
So if I take a loan out and build an 100 unit apartment complex, I'm inflating the price of single family homes?

you said you try to find multi appartment units and buy them to rent them out with some down payment...you said nothing about building new units...

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237579)
you said you try to find multi appartment units and buy them to rent them out with some down payment...you said nothing about building new units...

Oh so building a multifamily apartment building vs buy an established one changes the game? be real commie.

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237577)
more people would be able to afford a home and not be in rent slavery if houses were cheaper and banks and speculators did not mass abuse the undemocratic allocation of printed-out-of-thin-air money...for example I built a 5 apartment house on a plot of land for 50.000 euros...there were no bank credits back then, hyperinflation and sanctions made it impossible to get one...I got cheap materials because there was no great demand for it and the plot of land was basically worthless I got it from my grandmother...truth be told I did not finish the interior bathrooms and there are no kitchens its just an empty house with walls and windows...I did not need a bank credit...I could have built a 1 apartment home for around 15K easily and installed bathroom tiles and a kitchen etc...

you are falsely assuming that nobody would have homes if people like you do not buy shit up in bulk with printed out of thin air money...this is simply not true...more people could afford homes if crony speculation was not such a "thing"...

it is hilarious that you try to paint your profession as a necessity :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ok but your basically saying they should outlaw people from owning multifamily homes and supply apartments to people who can't afford to buy a home. What about the people that don't want a home? There are many people that choose to rent because they don't want the upkeep of maintaining a home like lawncare, clogged toilets, pipes breaking, roof leaking etc. WHO PROVIDES THE HOUSING FOR THEM?

Why don't you just come out and say it. You want the government to do it.

pimpmaster9000 03-14-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237586)
Oh so building a multifamily apartment building vs buy an established one changes the game? be real commie.

yes it changes the game because you expect to make a profit on an already built property and this only raises the price because you parasite in...building a new property is fine...the more properties on the market the lower the price...

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237586)
Ok but your basically saying they should outlaw people from owning multifamily homes and supply apartments to people who can't afford to buy a home. What about the people that don't want a home? There are many people that choose to rent because they don't want the upkeep of maintaining a home like lawncare, clogged toilets, pipes breaking, roof leaking etc. WHO PROVIDES THE HOUSING FOR THEM?

I would tax the shit out of anybody who makes money this way to discourage property hoarding...I am not advocating any seizure of property...

your reasons for people not wanting a home are invalid...they still get to pay for those services because rent will cost them that much more...if property was not a speculative bubble lots of people could afford it...

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237586)
Why don't you just come out and say it. You want the government to do it.

the government should provide cheap housing to its citizens...they would be free from debt slavery and have larger disposable incomes and this in turn would stimulate the economy more evenly...the way the system is set now, money-out-of-thin-air stimulates a housing racket and the funds just trickle up...

this is why I consider you a leech...

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22237719)
the government should provide cheap housing to its citizens...they would be free from debt slavery and have larger disposable incomes and this in turn would stimulate the economy more evenly...the way the system is set now, money-out-of-thin-air stimulates a housing racket and the funds just trickle up...

this is why I consider you a leech...

So now you want the government building housing and competing with the free market. Do you have any idea how inefficient the government is? You really think that shit would stimulate the economy? What about the housing sector? The builders, architects, plumbers, carpenters, electricians iron workers etc? What about 300 Billion home improvement industry?

What about the poor SOB that's worked for the past 40 years and has paid down his mortgage now wants to sell his home, downsize and move to Florida to rent a condo down by the beach? OHhhhh sorry sir, your home is now worth $20,000 so you'll have to now work till your 85 and you'll have to put those retirement plans on on hold.

You didn't put much thought into this did you, commie?

OneHungLo 03-14-2018 08:34 PM

https://i.imgur.com/z4afxts.jpg

pimpmaster9000 03-15-2018 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237758)
So now you want the government building housing and competing with the free market. Do you have any idea how inefficient the government is? You really think that shit would stimulate the economy? What about the housing sector? The builders, architects, plumbers, carpenters, electricians iron workers etc? What about 300 Billion home improvement industry?

What about the poor SOB that's worked for the past 40 years and has paid down his mortgage now wants to sell his home, downsize and move to Florida to rent a condo down by the beach? OHhhhh sorry sir, your home is now worth $20,000 so you'll have to now work till your 85 and you'll have to put those retirement plans on on hold.

You didn't put much thought into this did you, commie?

there is nothing stopping people from building homes if the government starts building them as well...all your arguments above are invalid...the gov does not even have to build it it can sub contract private companies to build it...

if the USA spent 600 billion/year on building homes instead of """"""""""""defense""""""""""" it could make 6 million homes/year at 100K/apartment and give it to people who are struggling...their quality of life would improve and their disposable income would skyrocket instead of having to pay parasites like you...

even if its 3 million homes/year it would make a massive contribution to your economy in 10 years time...ALL americans would be better off and not just the ones with money...

as for people with retirement plans this is a bullshit point its not like 1000million homes would be dumped on the market in one day...3 million homes spread across the USA in one year given to low income families would not dent the speculation bubble too much...make the government homes not for sale or rent, just for living...

Paul Markham 03-15-2018 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22237483)
Please stop. You're so fucking stupid and senile

https://www.google.cz/search?dcr=0&s....0.tWqenTZgK9Y

Try and find the part where they say the tomato plant is a perennial.

Paul Markham 03-15-2018 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22237543)
So who owns or supplies housing in crucifissio's make believe world? The government? Are you communist? And does this apply to other businesses you could potentially take a loan out for? Such as a grocery or liquor store, or anything else you buy in bulk to make a profit (aka leeching).

Cruci lives in a world where the government provides housing. Is he willing to pay more taxes so the government can afford to keep building year on year?

Taxpayers are more cautious of what they want their government to charge them for.

Market demands govern prices bigger demand than supply, prices rise. Clinton came up with a winning formula to give everyone a house and look where that ended up.

pimpmaster9000 03-15-2018 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237853)
https://www.google.cz/search?dcr=0&s....0.tWqenTZgK9Y

Try and find the part where they say the tomato plant is a perennial.

I actually grow tomatoes LOL

the plant can grow for years in the right climate...my grows are usually for 5-7 months depending on the climate that year and the amount of sunny days and the current market conditions...the plant reaches 10-15 meters easily and it reaches the ceiling of the greenhouse and is bent down to grow downwards...it is suspended from the ceiling and I have special plastic rings that taught the rope that holds the plant...

collecting seeds and growing is super easy but your yield will be much better if you buy already formed "clones" because the first few weeks of the plants life heavily impact your gains...this is for high yield commercial production I pump out 20 metric tonnes of tomatoes from every 1000 meters square over a single season...

there are types of tomatoes that are perennial like the tamarillo...also the chineese giant tomato tree...30.000 tomatoes from one plant per year...I like the dutch indoor "raissa" strain...super high gain, super resistant, super uniform "A class" product for 95% of all picked fruit...it works great in my climate...

so as usual, you are clueless...no surprise...go google something else LOL

pimpmaster9000 03-15-2018 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22237855)
Cruci lives in a world where the government provides housing. Is he willing to pay more taxes so the government can afford to keep building year on year?

Taxpayers are more cautious of what they want their government to charge them for.

Market demands govern prices bigger demand than supply, prices rise. Clinton came up with a winning formula to give everyone a house and look where that ended up.

my friend has a factory and he built 150 apartments for his workers and gave them out for free, it was tax deductible for him...he improved the quality of his workers lives significantly and it cost him literally nothing...those same workers now have a greater disposable income and they stimulate the economy much more than a single land lord would...


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