So what will stop China from stealing other people's work?

this first factory from boeing was opened in 2017 and they did not produce one aircraft yet.
(and I doubt that they will ever produce one anymore)

airbus has a factory since 1994 in china and they still exist - how can that be ?

wait how many more companies will go to china after this step.
they can forget the tariffs there have no transportation costs and are in the worlds fastest growing buyer market.

tell me one fucking reason what speaks for a trading war with them.

Nothing. The Chinese are dirtbag scum-sucking thieves with no honor and no integrity.

Pisses me off most recently about the Chinese in their trade is they used to put sugar syrup mixed with honey and sell it as 100% honey to America.

After we found this out and tested the honey they found a new way to bypass that test and give us Hone cut with other additives.

After we found out again we band China from importing honey to America. To bypass this honey that was cut with other ingredients was given to Malaysia in other countries to transport on their behalf to America.

The Chinese are dirtbag scum-sucking thieves with no honor and no integrity.

Good trading partners don't fuck you over like that. Good trading partners give you what you pay for.

Most of the population of China are on wages just above the poverty level.

So what can any country trade with China that China can't steal and make it themselves then export back to the country they stole it from?

They have 1.379 billion (2016).

Annual income for farmers is to exceed 11000 yuan (US$1175) in 2015, according to a Green Book on China's rural economy released by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences on Wednesday.

Chinese factory workers are now getting paid more than ever: Average mothly wages hit $436 last year, spiking 64 percent from 2011, according to market research firm Euromonitor.

Try selling them anything when most earn shit money. The poor already buy Chinese.

Chinese Trade Balance Surplus Unexpectedly Declined In January | Tainted Alpha

https://www.indexmundi.com/blog/inde...ance-of-trade/

Made in China signifies lost jobs in the West. Either China slows down and buys more from the West or the West imposes sanctions on a nation that is determined to take over. And as much as you may mistrust America, China is less trustworthy. They just elected a President for a lifetime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

5 Ways China Is More Repressive Under President Xi Jinping | Time

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/10/o...sty/index.html

the last trade war the USA had ended so well with the great depression :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%...ley_Tariff_Act


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nothing !

it is already forbidden since CENTURIES to import such products - and what did it help ?

the only way to prevent that is to be smarter and faster - competition makes the market.

there would not be any reason to become better when competition would not exist.

and btw. do you know what are the most stolen products ?

pharmaceutical products !!!!!

they produce the same for 1 cent what US pharma would like to sell them for 10 dollar.
this is not called stealing this is called selfdefense and fuck the blackmailers.

regarding china´s own airplane production you should also know that a lot of parts are made in germany and exported to china.

i still remember a sympathetic and less whiny america.
the usa has not sent the first humans into space, but it was reason enough for this generation to be the first on the moon.
I wish THIS America back and not an obvious heavyweight boxer who stands in the ring and howls: he beat me that's so mean !

this is a result of you lack logic.

WHY does a country have to spend all back to the country it exports?

this is not what global trading means.

to understand global trading you have to include the next steps

you import from country A
sell it to country B

now take country A out and tell them to buy for the same amount from you.
what will you get at the end when they say no ?

you can not be that stupid not to understand that ?

a world economy is the same as a business economy - you invest in something and get this investment back at a very other point.
why did you never ask your models to buy your videos?
you gave them money but they did not buy anything from you.

don´t you understand those simple facts ????

So Europe started taxing alluminium and steel from China to protect the EU market.
Now Trump is doing the same.

Like always in the economy the stock market let some air out and went a little bit down. That is where the phrase is from, buy low, sell high. Overall people won more the last years. And now some will loose. And in a few years, maybe a few days or weeks everything will be up. The dow also went down cause the interest is going up. Sometimes the bull wins, some times bears.

I don't see the problems. If there is no more money, just print some.

:1orglaugh
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Sticks take biggest plunge in 2 years LOL

Wassup Paul you old git lololololo

MAGA!

Everyone realizes China is a communist country right?

and what ?

So it seems for Americans to save a few bucks at Wallmart it is ok to look the other way and do business with a political system that is communist. Whats the big fuss about Russia? Hope I don't have to go into detail about what the Chinese government gets away with in regards to environment and human rights to save a buck.

They lost already

China's Tit-for-Tat Tariffs May Actually Boost U.S. Metal Makers
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-metal-makers

There was already a dutch company that will move the steel production to the USA.
And i read this tarif will cost China 25 billion and the counter import tax from China cost only 3 billion cause China doesn't want a trade war.

So what is the problem? And the stock markets, who cares about it. Most people won't. The DOW also went down cause Facebook has a huge part. But what is Facebook, never paid any dividends. The money is there on the stock market, doing nothing. So who cares if Facebook goes to 10 USD? I don't. When the market goes down, there are new opportunities. And i bet it is good for the environment also. People live to much for the fear of the day.

Who cares about the stock market? Pretty much anyone with a 401K or some other kind of retirement account. Most of them have at least some investments in the market. In the 2008 recession, many people lost massive chunks of their retirement because of the crash.

If they kept their stocks since the crash or bought extra, they will still have a big profit now. Just the economic cycle, up and down. Other gained a lot with put options. You can't gamble that the stocks Always go up. If they aren't coming down now, they will in another year.

Useful idiots, of course, don't know

https://coub.com/view/12bjmv
https://coub.com/view/12bn66

Do you want to put money on that?

Because of labour charges.

They will go and take the jobs with them. You will suffer if Germany loses jobs?

to save the economies of the West.

What this man said.

To be honest, I don't understand what makes them communists. The slogans? The red flag that they stole (as anything else) from the Soviet Union? They have to pay for medicine and education like Americans. They have a capitalist model of economics. Any average European county is 100'x times more communistic in comparison to China :2 cents:

So what can we do smarter and faster that they can't, oh wise one?

Proof you don't have a clue.

China?s unsatisfied hunger for German companies | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 12.07.2017

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/m/jian...omeofgcic.html

https://www.vda.de/en/press/press-re...-in-China.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rman-factories

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-employees/

paul markhaming is not going to be solved...you can trade war all you want, the paul markhams will do everything possible to get a better deal and screw over their country men whilst preaching "keep em out! buy domestic!" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Because without balanced trade the economies of the West lose out. That means fewer jobs, lower wages, fewer opportunities. In porn, we rely on having customers who can afford to buy our products. Workers losing jobs or on lower wages reduces our market to sell.

My pensions were built in the time before we imported so much. They're rock solid. Today we are still recovering from a market crash. Look at the figures for borrowing. That's the only thing keeping the West afloat.

No it's not. It's built on capitalism.

Trump is winning. China doesnt want a trade war and doesn't tax much american goods.
Better for them, they wil lose more with all their money in American companies.
And the Chinese president can just wait 3 years when Trump leave and see what happen them.
Probably nothing, or will miss Obama of Oprah give the money back :)
He just got 'elected' as president till his death. So he has time.

Western elites do not want pay wages bigger than for Chinese and want have the life as dictators have. It is not the problem with Chinese.

'Mass suicide' protest at Apple manufacturer Foxconn factory
Around 150 Chinese workers at Foxconn, the world's largest electronics manufacturer, threatened to commit suicide by leaping from their factory roof in protest at their working conditions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-factory.html

its not just the western elites its the regular people...NOBODY wants to pay more for goods...it is just that some people like to "paul markham" and pretend that they do, when they in fact do not...

of course :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This is true. Can even absolute not pay. All will be for free and communism coming soon :1orglaugh

China warns trade war will directly hit US consumers & financial markets
https://www.rt.com/news/422196-china...-us-trade-war/

I agree the 1% want no trade barriers so they can import from the cheapest places in the world.

^^^^ immigrant outsourcer who moved to a cheap country and stayed there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I agree with you. Things will have to be more expensive if we want a future. If we keep buying from the cheapest, we will lose out in the end.

Don't look at this from a perspective of 10 years. Play the long game, as China does, and look at it from the perspective of a 100 years. By then China will be so strong, along with a few other countries, leaving the West as a second-class nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...DP_growth_rate

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...dp-growth-2017

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/...ies-in-2017-2/

The growth in GDP in the West isn't being shared by the lower 60%.

Now, look at the picture in 33 years time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a7587401.html

You're selling your children's future for the sake of cheap crap.

said the immigrant outsourcer who sold out his childrens future for the sake of cheap crap :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And Brother Moa created the authoritarian society that the capitalist used. Communism is about equality, equal opportunities, etc. Nothing to do with China even though they hang a communist flag on the process.

Calling a donkey a horse doesn't change the fact it's a donkey.

:evil-laug
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Built on capitalism run by an army and a dictator. They are playing a game with the rest of the world with a stacked deck.

Why are you guys complaining? Trump promised to do this while campaigning, he won, he's carrying out his promises. I know that's unusual for a politician, just imagine a more acceptable politician making the same promises and winning by a landslide.

What lost Trump the most votes was him being Trump, not his policies. Don't be worried a more acceptable politician won't do the same in the future. The billionaires won't allow it.

billionaires can not make people buy their shit...people do this with their own free will...nobody made you move to a country where you do not even know the local language and you sit there like a lonely old fart blaming others...you did this yourself...if you wanted to you could have moved back to your beloved UK but you did not...you chose to stay in the cheaper country...like a lonely old fuck :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

money talks :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

New Zealand sells China honey, and much of it's over $100 per jar, NZ can't produce it fast enough for the Chinese market. "Manuka Honey"

The Chinese are sending you cheap shit, because you requested cheap shit.
To counter this, Americans seem to think the solution is to produce their own cheap shit.. and send it back to China.

Bad news Chinease don't like cheap shit, they have mountains of it already. ;)


And BTW for the copyright people.... More patents are registered in China now than the USA

https://www.ft.com/content/4b6a9820-...c-f4a01f1b0fa1

paul are you pretending be that dumb ????

i can not believe that a man over 60 can not understand the most simple rules of trade.

yes germany HAS a trade deficit with china

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/250757/umfrage/deutsche-handelsbilanz-mit-china/

but the overall trade balance in germany is positive and do you know why?
because the largest market in the world is NOT the USA.
the far largest market are the 168 OTHER countries in the WTO with
people what are a lot poorer but a lot more.

china HELPS us with cheap parts and basic materials to produce goods for a price they can afford.

without this trade deficit with china we would not be able to compete in this markets.

the other thing that dumbs like you don´t want to understand is the fact that the US trade deficit is a fake.

i try to explain you again on a very simple example

let´s say a company imports for 100 million $ steel from china and produces something with it in USA. let´s say the final products would have cost of 500 million and let´s say 50000 pieces are produced.

from this 50.000 pieces 25.000 are sold in US and they have been sold on a price of 500 million. the other 25.000 pieces go into export for a price of 100 million.

the export goes to a daughter company in singapore. this company is selling the 25.000 pieces for a price of 300 million to the whole world (including china).

how does the trade balance look now ?

US imported for 100 million from china and exported 100 million to singapore
the trade balance is zero but the trade balance with china is -100 million.

the profit for the producing company in USA is 100 million.
but they made another 200 million with their daughter in singapore.

so now take china out of this game and try the same with american steel and you will see that this CAN NOT WORK because NOBODY would buy it except americans.

that means that they will never need that much steel and they will need LESS workers to produce fewer products for the US market (what will be for the now higher price also smaller).

this is KILLING jobs and not producing jobs.

companies who do not want to lose this huge "poor market" will go directly to china and they are out of the complete trade revenue of USA.

if you are incapable to understand that simple logic you should not discuss it because you make yourself a clown with your arguments what could be from a 5 year old boy.

first of all he did not win by a landslide - in fact most americans did NOT vote for him.

2.nd: yes he promised that and THIS is the point why people with no clue should not be allowed to vote.

everybody with even a few skills in economy would be able to know that this is a suicide promise. only for low IQ people who can not think around the corner it sounds logic.

and of course it sounds logic for his new head of the national economic council kudlow.
a guy who is knowing as drug addicted and and the king of mispredictions.
this guy denied that there is a financial crisis in 2008 !!!

yes - this is the new US national economic council !!!!
a proven idiot in questions of economy.

as trump is now really at the lowest possible level of the amateur league there is hope for you, paul, that you have a chance to be the next in this job.

What good did you see with it? All countries will be cheap shitholes.

totalitarian society and not capitalism but feudalism mix with slavery

Reread what I posted you moron.

That's what the 1% would love.

So why is America going to slip into third place GDP wise very soon amnd why are most wages stagnant?

You really need to think before you post.

So Germany is all right for now and fuck the rest of the Western world.

Only limiting what can be imported from countries with a very large, very low wage workforce are tariffs. Germany is bleeding companies to China, even the German Government is worried.

But Thommy says it's fine. Who is the moron?

if you believe it or not YOU ARE THE MORON because you understand a fuck of what you are talking about.

your knowledge about economy is below zero and with such skills you would do a lot better to be better quiet.

I love pure raw honey.

I want to get a piece of land someday and have my own hives.

Fuck China. They're constantly trying to fuck us over. They steal our intellectual property make knock-offs what we create. Fuck China.

Chinese people are awesome . The Chinese government is evil fuck them.

China sold some fake rice down here it was hilarious...it was plastic or something and it would never cook...imagine fake rice being cheaper than real rice LOL