This is true. Can even absolute not pay. All will be for free and communism coming soon :1orglaugh

China warns trade war will directly hit US consumers & financial markets
https://www.rt.com/news/422196-china...-us-trade-war/

I agree the 1% want no trade barriers so they can import from the cheapest places in the world.

^^^^ immigrant outsourcer who moved to a cheap country and stayed there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I agree with you. Things will have to be more expensive if we want a future. If we keep buying from the cheapest, we will lose out in the end.

Don't look at this from a perspective of 10 years. Play the long game, as China does, and look at it from the perspective of a 100 years. By then China will be so strong, along with a few other countries, leaving the West as a second-class nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...DP_growth_rate

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...dp-growth-2017

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/...ies-in-2017-2/

The growth in GDP in the West isn't being shared by the lower 60%.

Now, look at the picture in 33 years time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a7587401.html

You're selling your children's future for the sake of cheap crap.

said the immigrant outsourcer who sold out his childrens future for the sake of cheap crap :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And Brother Moa created the authoritarian society that the capitalist used. Communism is about equality, equal opportunities, etc. Nothing to do with China even though they hang a communist flag on the process.

Calling a donkey a horse doesn't change the fact it's a donkey.

:evil-laug
https://i.imgur.com/UEqLhiq.gif

Built on capitalism run by an army and a dictator. They are playing a game with the rest of the world with a stacked deck.

Why are you guys complaining? Trump promised to do this while campaigning, he won, he's carrying out his promises. I know that's unusual for a politician, just imagine a more acceptable politician making the same promises and winning by a landslide.

What lost Trump the most votes was him being Trump, not his policies. Don't be worried a more acceptable politician won't do the same in the future. The billionaires won't allow it.

billionaires can not make people buy their shit...people do this with their own free will...nobody made you move to a country where you do not even know the local language and you sit there like a lonely old fart blaming others...you did this yourself...if you wanted to you could have moved back to your beloved UK but you did not...you chose to stay in the cheaper country...like a lonely old fuck :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

money talks :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

New Zealand sells China honey, and much of it's over $100 per jar, NZ can't produce it fast enough for the Chinese market. "Manuka Honey"

The Chinese are sending you cheap shit, because you requested cheap shit.
To counter this, Americans seem to think the solution is to produce their own cheap shit.. and send it back to China.

Bad news Chinease don't like cheap shit, they have mountains of it already. ;)


And BTW for the copyright people.... More patents are registered in China now than the USA

https://www.ft.com/content/4b6a9820-...c-f4a01f1b0fa1

paul are you pretending be that dumb ????

i can not believe that a man over 60 can not understand the most simple rules of trade.

yes germany HAS a trade deficit with china

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/250757/umfrage/deutsche-handelsbilanz-mit-china/

but the overall trade balance in germany is positive and do you know why?
because the largest market in the world is NOT the USA.
the far largest market are the 168 OTHER countries in the WTO with
people what are a lot poorer but a lot more.

china HELPS us with cheap parts and basic materials to produce goods for a price they can afford.

without this trade deficit with china we would not be able to compete in this markets.

the other thing that dumbs like you don´t want to understand is the fact that the US trade deficit is a fake.

i try to explain you again on a very simple example

let´s say a company imports for 100 million $ steel from china and produces something with it in USA. let´s say the final products would have cost of 500 million and let´s say 50000 pieces are produced.

from this 50.000 pieces 25.000 are sold in US and they have been sold on a price of 500 million. the other 25.000 pieces go into export for a price of 100 million.

the export goes to a daughter company in singapore. this company is selling the 25.000 pieces for a price of 300 million to the whole world (including china).

how does the trade balance look now ?

US imported for 100 million from china and exported 100 million to singapore
the trade balance is zero but the trade balance with china is -100 million.

the profit for the producing company in USA is 100 million.
but they made another 200 million with their daughter in singapore.

so now take china out of this game and try the same with american steel and you will see that this CAN NOT WORK because NOBODY would buy it except americans.

that means that they will never need that much steel and they will need LESS workers to produce fewer products for the US market (what will be for the now higher price also smaller).

this is KILLING jobs and not producing jobs.

companies who do not want to lose this huge "poor market" will go directly to china and they are out of the complete trade revenue of USA.

if you are incapable to understand that simple logic you should not discuss it because you make yourself a clown with your arguments what could be from a 5 year old boy.

first of all he did not win by a landslide - in fact most americans did NOT vote for him.

2.nd: yes he promised that and THIS is the point why people with no clue should not be allowed to vote.

everybody with even a few skills in economy would be able to know that this is a suicide promise. only for low IQ people who can not think around the corner it sounds logic.

and of course it sounds logic for his new head of the national economic council kudlow.
a guy who is knowing as drug addicted and and the king of mispredictions.
this guy denied that there is a financial crisis in 2008 !!!

yes - this is the new US national economic council !!!!
a proven idiot in questions of economy.

as trump is now really at the lowest possible level of the amateur league there is hope for you, paul, that you have a chance to be the next in this job.

What good did you see with it? All countries will be cheap shitholes.

totalitarian society and not capitalism but feudalism mix with slavery

Reread what I posted you moron.

That's what the 1% would love.

So why is America going to slip into third place GDP wise very soon amnd why are most wages stagnant?

You really need to think before you post.

So Germany is all right for now and fuck the rest of the Western world.

Only limiting what can be imported from countries with a very large, very low wage workforce are tariffs. Germany is bleeding companies to China, even the German Government is worried.

But Thommy says it's fine. Who is the moron?

if you believe it or not YOU ARE THE MORON because you understand a fuck of what you are talking about.

your knowledge about economy is below zero and with such skills you would do a lot better to be better quiet.

I love pure raw honey.

I want to get a piece of land someday and have my own hives.

Fuck China. They're constantly trying to fuck us over. They steal our intellectual property make knock-offs what we create. Fuck China.

Chinese people are awesome . The Chinese government is evil fuck them.

China sold some fake rice down here it was hilarious...it was plastic or something and it would never cook...imagine fake rice being cheaper than real rice LOL

Kill Charley

Holy fuck!

Artificial food intended for display only, say Chinese manufacturers, after Nigeria confiscates tonnes of fake rice

Fake eggs too...with shell, eggwhites and yolk and all...the yolk wàs paint...the eggs would not hard-boil LOL...

It's amazing that fake eggs would cost less than real ones...

This is Chinese capitalism at it's best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Also a good watch to see what happened to Rubbermaid.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/showswalmart/

And for smart people in the west.. it created a huge market and the invention of the "daigou"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigou

A 2015 survey of Chinese online luxury shoppers found that 35% have used daigou to purchase luxury goods online, while only 7% used the website of the brand they are buying. Approximately 80% of Chinese luxury purchases are made abroad. 2014.. Daigou sales across sectors total $15 billion annually, 2018 50 BILLION plus!

and you guys try and make money in porn ;P

A $30 can of Australian baby formula is easily worth $90 when you send it to China.

And this is where America and Americans seem to totally miss the mark.. you send China your best products, your most luxury products your most rare products, and they will pay for it like no one else.

You have to understand that foreigners like Tommy, Crucifissio, BaldBastard etc., they hate America. I'm not saying they hate you or I they just hate on #1. If you're an Australian you've probably have had American shit pumped down your throats your entire lives. Just about everything that matters in this world comes out of the US. Everything from technology, to medicine, sports, the best colleges, music, television, movies...you name it, it comes out of America.

What the fuck comes out of Australia? Nutella? Men at Work? How about Serbia? Dude 99.9% of people here couldn't even pick that fuck hole off a map if their lives depended on it..but I guarantee you if you asked a Serb what's Mcdonald's or Coca Cola or {insert hollywood movie, musician etc} they'd know it. When I say Serbia what do you think of besides Crucifissio's cheese filled foreskin? Exactly.. Nothing :1orglaugh

这是更好地为美国放弃其枪现在，这样他们就不必当中国会接管。

I've given examples of why you're wrong. The growing debt, Germany scared of Chinese buying their companies, the growing poor in the Western World, the growth of China and other Third World countries, etc. You come back with nothing.

Australia is friends with the USA, and like minded in many ways, we're all immigrants from the same countries, we have connections Russians and Eastern Europeans will never understand or be apart of.

I've yet to meet a Russian online who doesn't like Trump. Internationally Russia and Russians are Trumps biggest fan boys, they push and promote his agenda harder than American's themselves on this chat board and several others I frequent. Personally I can't see one fucking reason a Russian would like an American at all, face it they have been total fucking cunts to your country. Also understand that apart from gas, Russia offers fuck all to the rest of the world you have a fucked political system, Low GDP, low standard of living and make fucking peanuts. That's actually ok, as long as you stay within your own country its affordable. But be clear the USA, Canada, Australia, UK, NZ, Ireland and every other western British Colney don't need Russia for a thing.. except to fucking behave themselves.

nothing comes out of the USA any more except entertainment and war...the only thing I own that is american is my CPU-s but china already makes better ones and has 60% of the worlds supercomputing power...it is only a matter of time before I move to china CPUs not because I give 2 shits who makes them but because of price and quality...china > USA

you guys are "great" because you print the fuck out of your currency and export your inflation to others...this is the west in a nutshell...but now you have started to exploit yourselves :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh greedy little capitalists flocking to the 3rd world for that cheap labor...

the future is not looking bright for the USA at all...

1 China 23,122,027
— European Union 20,852,702
2 United States 19,362,129
3 India 9,446,789
4 Japan 5,405,072
5 Germany 4,149,573
6 Russia 4,000,096
7 Indonesia 3,242,966
8 Brazil 3,219,129
9 United Kingdom 2,880,254
10 France 2,826,456
11 Mexico 2,406,087
12 Italy 2,307,073
13 Turkey 2,132,717
14 South Korea 2,026,651
15 Saudi Arabia 1,789,264
16 Spain 1,768,574
17 Canada 1,763,785
18 Iran 1,630,859
19 Australia 1,235,297
20 Thailand 1,228,941
21 Egypt 1,199,013
22 Taiwan 1,177,052
23 Nigeria 1,124,627
24 Poland 1,114,105
25 Pakistan 1,060,569
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_GDP_(PPP)

:1orglaugh

paul you don´t even understand to calssify the word dept because dept is not dept.
the western world or the chinese are not responsable for this dept - i explained you why but you still don´t get it.

you also don´t know the value of the third world.

look at the list sarn have posted a bit above and tell me if US is that important in compare to the sum of all this "third world countries".

these are already our customers and they will become more powerful buyers every day.
india is already the fastest growing market - but trump missed to jump in when he cancelled all contracts with asia and let china do the job.

what would you do if you are the leader of china?
step back because the us president is a dumb?

the european economy and the world economy is doing fine WITH all that problems you are sticking on - and the US economy does not.
so why should everybody change just because of a system what is living since centuries from debts and what does not even think in good times in saving money for bad times.

this CAN NOT work and this is nothing new. everybody with a mind for economy could see that 25 years ago already.

trump gave up the biggest growing economic chance in the world for a few thousand caol workers. who´s fault is that ? the chinese ??? the europeans ?
you can only blame the crazy us system. and trump is not one who will change it - he will make it worse.

Wrong as usual.

"In an interview with Chinese media published Monday, Li Keqiang emphasized that there was no point in a trade war between the US and China, and that the two sides would come to a reasonable solution. Li added that China would cease its practice of forcing foreign firms to turn over valuable intellectual property by partnering with China firms in "joint ventures.""

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...trade-war.html

^^^Look at the chumpanzee who banged their sister last night and is feeling spunky. Large font even.

shouldn't you be starting some fake threads!!!!!!

The economist of the Dutch ING bank said Trump is right regarding China. There is a whole article in a dutch newspaper how China protects its markets, higher tarifs, copy most etcetra. And they say all the talking didn't have much result, maybe Trump will have.

"Wel stelt Vidigal dat China ’tegen de geest van de WTO-regels ingaat’. „Het land wil naar een economie waarin alles zoveel mogelijk in China geproduceerd wordt. Dat is tegen het streven van de WTO in, waarin ieder land produceert waar het het beste in is.”"

"China goes against the spirit of WTO trade. The WTO wants every country to produce goods that they are specialized in, China wants to produce everything in China"

And so on. I see more and more positive articles about Trump lately. And who can argue with some top economist who's job it is?

Would be better for the climate if less was produced in China.
China and the Paris Climate Accord - IER
If people would care more about the climate, they wouldn't want cheap steel and aluminium that is made produced with a lot of coal.

Means Walfart is going out of business then?
I am sure the people that support this, are the same people that are big fans of shooping for cheap at Walmart.

yeah they just imposed retaliatory tariffs and your stocks are down...

you are being sold miracle diet pills by trump...if the solution was that simple as trump claims, other politicians would have done it years ago...trump is the first politician who is dumb enough to think that fat people can loose weight without working out or going on a diet...

The Eu and Us have 2x the gdp with 1/2 the population.
Everyone knows Communist China's gdp is bullshit.
Rebricking the same sidewalks every year, etc.
Merely assembling tech parts from first world countries.

China cannot consistently build BMW or Apple level quality without help. QA guys tell me after 18 months they have to switch factories or retrain because of dishonesty (cutting corners) or stupidity (the workers forget and need retraining).

If not for Eu and Us investment they'd all still be in pajamas melting down frying pans to increase steel production while killing everyone smart enough to call them out on being the idiots they are.

And THAT's the fucking score.

Can't read three pages of this crap. Who won at the end?

Admins should create an algorithm that will calculate who won in a thread. More you insult other people, your side will get a better score. Time-limited competition because there are other threads always waiting.