I don't know. This thread is about stopping the needless violence of seemingly law-abiding people flipping and deciding to kill themselves or suicide by cop and take as many as possible with them.

To do that you have to restrict gun sales to a certain level that will reduce the numbers who are killed by a perpetrator.

The NRA side of the debate have made it impossible to stop people on a terrorist no-fly list to buy a gun. I rest my case.

People are put on no-fly lists without due process. Flying is not a right protected by the constitution. Taking away someone's rights without due process is a completely different ballgame.

Rest that fucking case.

The Supreme Court has ruled you don't have a constitutional right to an AR-15 or any other semi-automatic weapon. Stopping people on the no fly list from being able to purchase an AR-15 is perfectly legal and has nothing to do with due process.

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Always fun watching you alt right russian loving trolls getting busted posting fake shit
Then making up excuses or blowing it off as no biggie.

NRA members have been involved in Zero mass shootings. Oh wait, an NRA member stopped the Texas church shooter with his AR-15.

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^^^ Not all true

Pointing out all of the ignorance surrounding this issue would require a lot more time than I am willing to give it but lets check a few highlights.

The NRA, to hear the BS youd think they shot these kids, dont yall see anything wrong with that? If it werent for the NRA, black men wouldn't be allowed to own guns. In the grand scheme of lobbying NRA ranks way down the list in terms of money spent to buy politicians, they aren't even a lobbying organization. Blaming the NRA is no different than blaming the ACLU for allowing these so called kids to protest.

speaking of....has anyone actually listened to this crap? They call politicians baby killers, child killers, blah blah and point out how untrustworthy they are, yet they want to entrust these same politicians to determine who, if anyone can own a gun? seriously...how retarded is that?

Now who among you actually believe that these "kids" organized and planned and financed all of these protests?

I may be wrong but I think this is the first time in history American Citizens have protested to have their rights taken away?...maybe prohibition....that sure ended well.

now lets be honest many of the real problems cant even be addressed because...RACISM....the biggest threat to the lives of young black men is other young black men it isnt a race thing its a CULTURE thing, but try to address it and yer labelled a RACIST.....

These so called kids are allowing themselves to be used to promote an agenda that they clearly do not understand, the simplicity of the message sounds good but anyone with a high school education knows that it isnt simple at all.

How many of these "kids" were espousing personal responsibility?...I didnt hear any and it adds to the stereotype that they dont take responsibility for anything, its always someone elses fault...because their hearts are pure and they think they have all the answers but none of those answers involves them being responsible for the mistakes they make.

In the leading causes of death among teens in the United States of America guns are way down the list, expand that to deaths of anyone guns are even further down the list...knives, cars, doctors, drugs, and cell phones kill way more people than guns....way more.

As a whole NRA members commit fewer crimes, not just gun crimes, than any other single group, including 'KIDS"

And if you think you saw lots of kids protesting remember this, the NRA has a paid membership that is more people than all of these "kids" COMBINED and these members vote, and as pornlaw pointed out many are prepared to fight for these rights, because they understand better than most what Chairman Mao said.....When they government takes a right from you the only way you will ever get it back is through the barrel of a gun.

In the end its all moot anyway because we still have a second amendment and it aint going anywhere, despite what a collective of ignorant people may bitch about.

remember any attempt to control what firearms you may own is simply an attempt to remove your ability to protect yourself.....think about this...why is it that you can't sue the FBI or the police for negligence when they fail to protect you? In the end its your responsibility.....and theres that word again, responsibility seems everyone wants it but nobody wants to practice it.

Yes, you are wrong... again.

You would need to amend the Constitution to make owning semi-automatic weapons your right.

The Supreme Court has ruled you don't have a constitutional right to an AR-15 or any other semi-automatic weapon.

U.S. Supreme Court

People are not protesting to have their rights taken away people are protesting the distribution of military grade semi-automatic weapons to 18 year olds with no common sense regulation.

People are protesting the NRA stating that guns should be in schools to protect children from children with guns that the NRA supports the children having.

Why is it Trump supporters always have to be educated? It's like a Non-Stop Special Ed Course for liars.

you can argue semantics but when the second amendment was written it didnt exclude semi or fully automatic weapons ...and be fore you go saying they didnt exist at the time YOU are wrong machine guns ...fully automatic were already invented, and every weapon available at the time was semi automatic...even your musket....theres a reason that semi autos are available to anyone who passes the background checks and requirements....its because they cant ban them....you dont believe it thats fine ...try it.

and you assume far too much I didnt vote for Trump...I am a strict constitutionalist

consider yourself...educated

Amending the constitution isn't forbidden. The Second Amendment already limits what firearms you're able to buy.

You have no case, sir.

It's not semantics you moron the Supreme Court ruled it!

You have no constitutional right to semi-automatic weapons.

You're a bad constitutionalist if you don't understand Supreme Court rulings regarding the Constitution and your rights, and lack thereof.

You NRA nutjobs believe everything the NRA tells you even when you have a Supreme Court ruling (multiple rulings) right in your face :1orglaugh

This gunman picked the wrong school to shoot up. This whole thing could have been swept aside in a few days as it usually goes, but these kids are smart, mature and said "fuck this shit". I really think they're going to get something done and it starts with voting out NRA shills like Marco Rubio and most other Republicans. Really...fuck the NRA. They're terrorists as far as I'm concerned.

Simple reason for that.

So how do you know none are members?

When I said the NRA side of the debate, I was referring to the pro-no restrictions on gun buyers side. Do you understand now?

So it took 26 people to die before an NRA guy turned up. And you think that's a good thing?

If the perpetrator had a muzzleloader 25 more people would be alive today.

The NRA is disgusting now. Look at this sleezeball Dana Loesch talkning about "fisting" the New York Times at the end and the condescending nasty way she talks she's really disgusting and the NRA loves her as their spokeswoman. Can you imagine how fucked up her children must be?

The National Rifle Association has gone way off message and ballooned into this ultra right wingnut pimp for gunmakers

If you look at the history of the NRA, they USED to be all about gun safety and responsible use, but they have changed. Just go to their website or watch a little NRA TV on Youtube and you'll see that their message isn't what it used to be.

Peace.

And a lot more common sense than you have.

No one is suggesting you lose all your guns, just the power of some, the size of the magazines, armour piercing bullets, large magazines, being over 21 with a good background check. You need a license to drive a car, but nearly anyone over 18 can buy a gun they have no knowledge of how to use, to store safely and the amount of guns.

Want to feel safer at home, buy a dog and get an alarm. Both will keep your kids safer than anything else.

You don't need more than six shots to defend yourself or hunt. One shot will do it most of the time.

You can't defend yourself against the Government. Ask the people in Waco and Ruby Ridge how that turned out.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/04/u...ory/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.29abe73c606c

So make a decent case for keeping gun legislation as it is. We can argue that one instead.

Join up and take a course yourself. https://gfy.com/22243361-post5.html

This girls speech was amazing. These kids are going to change American gun law :thumbsup

"Sense" as in -- being okay with limiting people's rights ? I dont believe in limiting civil rights. FOSTA/SESTA will limit the rights of SWers and free speech so that children and women can be protected from trafficking. FOSTA/SESTA was not needed to protect trafficking victims. You want to protect kids in school ? You dont need new gun laws. You need make schools safer, not take away rights.

Those that want to limit your rights will always use the mantra "lets protect the children" to do so.... those in this industry should know that better than the average citizen, its been used against us for more than 40 years.

The might of the US Military didnt do very well with taking out insurgents in Syria...

A few thousand insurgents held Mosul for months.

The US military with help from its allies had to carpet bomb Mosul to finally prevail over ISIS troops using weapons less powerful that most US citizens own...

Its the same reason why the US military did poorly in Afghanistan.

The US will never carpet bomb a US city. They will never kill US citizens en mass to root out 4-5 million "insurgents" trying to defend the Constitution.

You forget that a bunch of farmers beat the Redcoats because of guerilla warfare tactics.

This would be no different, it would be house to house fighting which would seriously diminish any advantage that the weapons you posted would provide the US military.

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in the US military need gun control too
because kids crying

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^^ Russian laughing at American school children being murdered

need gun control comrade

American laughing at complete ignorance.

^^^ Posting at 7:43 pm Moscow time he'll be going to bed soon

Some solid discussion points - one thing not mentioned yet is that cca 97 pct. of gun related crime happens with illegally owned guns.

While everybody would want to see less nutters involved in mass shootings, these are by far not the most prevalent gun crime perpetrators.

The whole campaign, while fast to jump the gun, appears to completely ignore what to do about these 97 pct. of gun related crime.

It would almost appear like it's not the security, but politics being the principal issue.

I'm sick of idiots using the 2nd Amendment to hide behind. When it was written the most popular firearm was a flintlock musket, a rifle that had to be manually reloaded and fired 4 shots a minute. The 2nd is seriously outdated and needs to be revised.

What the fuck would you know about anything? Some smart kids are trying to change something shitty and assholes like you have nothing but disdain and ridicule for them. I hope you aren't a parent, or will never be a parent. People like you raising children are part of the world's problem.

^^^ Truth

^^^ Fake News

no,you retard, it may not as well be

you and the other stooges are the first whining "fake news" about legit news but when something like this is faked for obvious political gain, you shrug it off

care to show a link to your 97% number?

cause it's one thing when criminals shoot each other with illegal guns and the other thing is when somebody marches into a school and shoots unarmed kids.

and the latter usually with legally obtained guns as in all recent incidents - even when there was strong indications of mental illness that a stronger gun control could have prevented

If you were in fact an attorney instead of a poor debater who resorts to name calling instead of fact you would know that in Heller v Washngton DC the court held that a person may own any firearm for any legal purpose, the idea was that DC was going to ban handguns, the same reasoning applies to what people wrongfully call assault and or military weapons. While it is not to say that they cant be regulated only that there has to be a damn good reason to do so.

If you feel so strongly about this, instead of name calling you might get with your congressional representative and draft a bill that does what you want...good luck with that.

I hate to win like this I much prefer an intelligent discourse but some people dont have the intellectual capacity to argue facts so they resport to childish antics like name calling....

I'd like to say that I'm amazed that you have to explain these basics to Trump supporters but I'm not amazed anymore it's sad and pathetic.

Supposed to be based on some studies of criminals involved in gun crime and how did they obtain their guns.

Of course it depends on methodology, if one would take into account homicides only - as a total body count, the number will be higher. Exactly due to mass shootings.

While if it includes also non fatal shootings it will be at the low end, that's mostly prevalent in gang shoot outs, robberies, any type of crime where the victim is at the gun point.

Of course it's not a good idea to have some sort of an outsider with a history of mental issues to have access to guns.

When I was a kid growing up in a small town the NRA would sponsor a hunter's safety course every year. They also sponsored a kid's gun safety course. They seemed to be more about gun safety and responsibility. Now they are just lobbyists for gun sellers.