yeah i dont think so, all they are gonna do is get lots of people killed.

your're using them to further a agenda you are just as pathetic if not more you fucking idiot.

^^ Fake nic meltdown in multiple threads

your on notice too you unpatriotic loser. the left is using these kids. the left is demented and evil and we are the only ones that can save this country now. civil war is just over the next hill. prepare, we have been, for years... you will lose.

ha he can dish but not take it .. loser he is....

buddy im far far from a fake nick i was here BEFORE YOU. and we got shit done in the old days. you will be handled.

The government already limits your rights to bear arms. Otherwise, you would be allowed to own an Apache helicopter.

As for making schools safer, I agree, with the gun buyers paying for all costs. Bulletproof glass, armed guards, metal detectors like they have at airports, etc. It won't cost a lot, say 5% on taxes.

The rest is nonsense. Muslims are in a hurry to get to heaven for their virgins. Americans are in a hurry to to Macdees for a free burger.

How many died in the civil war?

They beat an army 6,000 miles from home and armed with similar weapons.

Did they go house to house to defeat the Branch Davidians?

The US government would pass laws and Americans would moan and gripe about it and do nothing. Your rights have changed since the Constitution was written, changing it again wouldn't be a problem. Especially if the voting public demand it. And there's the problem so many things are done to us that we shouldn't allow and you we sit meekly and take it.

It's amazing how you dismiss so many people dying with stats engineered to show a bad result.

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I would estimate that most people who take all their guns into a public place and start killing people are slightly to largely deranged. So obviously the system is completely inadequate.

He could have killed far less if he had a muzzleloader. The problem with your idea is the NRA isn't everywhere and the perpetrators are usually set on a suicide mission.

How do you know most of the people who do these killings aren't "law-abiding citizens" until they start killing people?

I'm talking gun related crime, not gun related homicides, gun related crime also includes non fatal shootings.

There's the Pittsburgh prison inmates study from 2008 - that has the highest figure, totaling the number of guns owned by the perpetrators to 18 pct, that's widely cited even in mainstream media (and present in the Google results).

Then there's the Chicago inmates study conducted by Duke University and the University of Chicago in 2013, that puts the legal possession by crime use of inmates to 3 pct, but that doesn't have that much of a big sample of inmates. Also there are regional specifics - tougher background checks and higher previous felony rates (which in most cases means a disqualification from being able to obtain a gun legally).

Then there's testimonials from actual law enforcement officers that estimate cca 95 pct. gun crime is committed with guns that were not legally purchased by the perpetrator. That could be about right, especially if it also includes the cca 30 pct. of cases that didn't lead to an arrest and / or where a gun was not recovered.

I mean it's just common sense, even the criminals are in general not very sharp, the stupidest thing one can do in crime is to use a gun that's legally registered on his name.

So I stand corrected and of course accept the shit. But also remain confident that if most, if not every of the media outlets dropped their, not even hidden bias. There would be no need to double and triple-check everything they ever claim.

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The American people have a long record of losing control over their lives. Rights are taken away by the Government. The biggest one was the Rights to own slaves.

There's a long list of people being prosecuted for doing things that were considered legal at the time of the Constitution. Killing Native Americans, stealing land from Mexico would come after slaves.

So let's look at what Washington said. Can you own enough arms to seriously worry the Government? No way.

Have you sat down meekly and allowed a certain class to buy your Government? Yes.

Have you allowed various Presidents to lie and kill fellow Americans in phony wars? Yes.

Just god forbid anyone finds out a President got a BJ or hired a hooker. Then all hell breaks loose.

The Republicans are as guilty as the Democrats in this fight. As they are in most fights regarding political issues. The same small class of people make sure of that.

As for civil war, you wouldn't get off your butts to do anything. Which is why the 1% now own your government. Whichever side gets voted in it's $$$$ from billionaires that get their way.

You are like one of those lap dogs barking behind a window.. Threatening people on the internet.. such a tough guy.

That wrong I owned full automatics back in the 70s, anyone had the right to own a machine gun as they still do, its just that now I have to jump throiugh a lot more hoops....I have a friend whoin the 70s, bought a Solothurn 50mm anti aircraft canon out of the back of a comic book for 99 dollars, and yes it was fully functional.

Not saying gun control efforts are new, they arent but back then gun control was to prevent black people from owning guns and the NRA fought that tooth and nail and won)

Gun control as we know it is relatively new, happening in my lifetime

Apparently Remington just filed for bankruptcy. I would have thought gun sales would have gone through the roof with all this talk of taking away AR15s. But sales are way down once Trump took office.

Maybe not a helicopter but I can buy a fully operational tank....

https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/ope...sale-armslist/

I dont think a 5% tax will do but Im not against that.

I think you seriously overestimate Muslims desire to die. They held Monsul for months. They didnt just walk out and get shot on purpose. And I think you seriously underestimate the number of Americans willing to die to defend their country and the Constitution. See your question below....

That was 1 encampment. There would be thousands of similar encampments. And that took 76 days for the government to destroy the encampment. And if you believe the FBI, the Branch Dividians destroyed their own compound, not the US military or law enforcement. It took 76 days because the US government didnt want to kill US citizens.

Federal government agents and Las Vegas Sheriffs backed down in the Clive Bundy armed standoff in Nevada. Even the Sheriff of Las Vegas admitted they were outgunned, outmanned and had to back-down.

Bundy had the support of the Governor of Nevada, and numerous state representatives in Nevada and Arizona.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

Laws mean nothing. People break "laws" all the time. Even good people break laws. Its when they try to take the guns that you will see a change in people's thinking and action. No one is taking to the streets when a bump stock is banned. When the government starts a registry of gun owners - that will cause push back. When they go house to house to confiscate weapons, then people will have to make a decision. And most will hand over their weapons like sheep. But there will be millions of them that will take action.

The Bundy action was over confiscation of a herd of cows by the federal government. Imagine what will happen when they try to confiscate the guns.

Has anyone in this thread ever been SHOT?
Has anyone on this Forum ever have a gun pointed in your face?
Has anyone posting here ever had their lives flash before their eyes, convinced that everything they have (or ever will have) can be taken away BLAM in a second?

No of course not. The Internet (and this place) is jam packed with know-it-all idiots with opinions based on fantasy.

IF you have faced death, taken a bullet, been confronted by a madman with a gun THEN I will take your views seriously. Everyone else? Blah blah fuck off.

I wouldn't hand mine over fuck that.

A national gun registry would be disastrous end fucked up and I'd fight that.

All it takes is one evil leader and they could fuck with the whole system and go door-to-door trying to take guns so they can disarm the people and make us all sheep fuck that! Trump is a perfect example if he could do it he would do it. The only world leaders he respects are the dictators like Durterte , Erdogan, Putin, etc. I'm sure others felt that way about Obama and others do no matter what side you're on you're going to favor having armed civilians :thumbsup

I was wrtong on that. I expected more common sense from the US.

Want to buy a tank?



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I think you seriously overestimate that number. Muslims Terrorist do have a desire to die rather than surrender a no win war.





In a civil war, all bets are off. How long did Gettysburg take?



No doubt a few groups like the Bundys and Branch Davidians will resist. But small groups like those aren't the problem. And no is suggesting the Government will take all your guns. Where did you get that piece of baloney from?

Please don't say the NRA told that.

Not a member of the NRA.

There is only one logical conclusion to all of this, gun confiscation. You cannot stop mass shootings with an AR-15 ban. You cannot stop mass shootings with a bump stock ban. You cant stop mass shootings with an increased registration process. You cant stop mass shootings with a 21 yr old requirement. The only way you stop mass shootings is by taking the guns. No guns = no shootings.

As long as there's been guns in America there has been mass shootings. As long as guns continue to be in America there will always be mass shootings. From 1764 until March 20, 2018....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Does shooting it out in the streets of Mogadishu with a bunch of Muslims count towards anything?

Sales bounced through the roof over the weekend. Isn't that funny?

LOL - This is the ultimate irony.

The NRA and the gun nuts all support Republicans. They do this with scare tatics - If a Democrat wins they will take our guns away. Sales go through the roof. But when a Republican wins sales tank.

It wasn't anything to do with theis shooting.. They are trying to dodge a lawsuit from their bushmaster brand (aka assault rifles) and are trying restructure the company

So you are willing to accept the numbers killed in the mass shootings, just to keep your guns.

Limiting the power and magazine capacity lowers the number killed.

You want to get Republicans out to vote? Keep politicizing kids saying they want to take guns away.

Good for the kids, but the media pushing this hard core is going to hurt the dems in midterms.

I am. I am also willing to accept the 1.2 million deaths of men and women who gave their lives to protect the Constitution. I am also willing to accept the number of people that are killed by the police every year (more are killed by the police than by mass shootings) to keep the police on the streets. I am willing to accept that people can still purchase and rent cars despite the number of people killed in car accidents. I am willing to accept the fact that you can purchase a pressure cooker at a Bed Bath and Beyond despite two terrorists using them to kill and maim. Or that you can still buy fertilizer despite it being used in two terrorists attacks on US soil.

I choose to live in a free society which has inherent dangers. Anytime anyone that is innocent is killed, whether it is in a mass shooting, a car accident, an abuse of police powers or a terrorist attack it is tragic and unfortunate, but it is the price of being free.

Does that mean that nothing should be done to try to make tragic deaths less likely? Of course not, but the regulation or law should be carefully calculated not to impinge upon rights or privileges of citizens while lowering the number of injuries/deaths. A good example of this is seat belt and air bag regulation on automobile manufacturers.

By the way, lowering the magazine capacity will not stop mass shootings. I dont think it will even lower the kill number.

Perhaps a regulation requiring bio-metric security features on all new guns might help. If my phone can only be unlocked with my fingerprint why cant my gun (if I owned one) also only be unlocked by me ?

While I havent done any research on it, I would guess that making guns inoperable by anyone other than its owner will reduce the number of accidental shootings. More children die in accidental shootings than school shootings every year. It will make stolen guns relatively useless, perhaps reducing the number of murders on the streets by the "bad guys" but with 300 million guns in the US, it will take generations until "smart guns" replace traditional guns and even then, you will still have old revolvers being used to kill.

There really is no answer to gun injuries/deaths other than confiscation. And then you will only be taking the guns from those willing to hand them over. The "bad guys" wont be lining up at the local police station to hand in their guns.

Now it's come to this... Calls to repeal the Second Amendment... It was only a matter of time.

Older generations grew up in a period where getting police to respond could take hours, and when they did they they couldn't be trusted. Today's generation grew up in the suburbs where police response time is less than a minute, and we now trust the police. Today's generation no longer sees the needs for firearms.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ent/461672002/

What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" are they not understanding?

The Democrats are so dumb to think no one knows they are behind all this. Nothing about this is grass roots. Soros should have his assets seized.

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Do you accept a speed limit of 65 miles an hour?

It's a stupid position for a lawyer to occupy when his job is to uphold the law.

Reducing the power of guns, bullets, the number of bullets in a magazine, the number of firearms a person can own and very thorough background checks will reduce the number of mass shootings. Protecting schools just moves the killings to more in malls, hotels, clubs, outside schools, workplaces and any areas people gather.

The bad guys aren't part of this debate. So why bring them up? We are talking about crazy people picking up a gun or guns and going on a suicide by cop mission.

I have more freedom here in Czech than you do in America.

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Clueless as usual.

Yes, because millennials in the last round really voted for change, right? The war mongering Washington hag who wanted to continue the destructive agenda of the past 30 years. Lol. You really live in another dimension.

'Millennial' (the ones who are around 20 years old) is a synonym for 'no life experience'. They're extremely naive and follow suit with whatever the media tells them. Hence their massive vote for Clinton, a calculative lying career politician and war criminal who has been neck deep for decades in the Washington cesspool. She is every single thing millennials really hate deep down, but popular media has their brain fully under control so they believe Clinton was the lesser of two evils. Something only an ill informed oblivious moron believes.

What kind of extra freedoms do you have in Czechoslovakia that we don't have in America Paul?

Looks like you can't even own a gun legally in Czechoslovakia... Czech parliament moves to legalise firearm ownership

Hard liquor is illegal in Czechoslovakia
Czech Republic Bans Hard Liquor

Growing pot for personal consumption is illegal in Czechoslovakia https://www.tni.org/en/article/canna...czech-republic

So guns and hard liquor are illegal, you can't grow your own pot, but you think you are more free than we are in America got it :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have the freedom to walk the streets, sit at home, send my kids to school, etc. Without feeling, I need a gun to protect me.

Firearms and alcohol have been legal here for decades. Slivovic is a national drink. I can hear men shooting deer, pheasants or rabbits at certain times of the year. They have to have a background check and don't need an AR-15, armour piercing bullets, huge magazines and anything like what an American can walk into a gun show and buy.

Also, Czech people can vote for very different parties and change the course the country takes. Unlike Americans.

Do you want me to make you look more like a dick?

I think you have most lawyers confused with police officers and prosecutors. I dont uphold the law. And I dont enforce laws. I am paid by a client to interpret and/or argue a position in the law most favorable to him/her.

But in line with your thinking, I have taken an oath to support and protect the US Constitution. Which, based on my reading, still has a Second Amendment. And as I believe in less restrictions on the First Amendment, I also believe in less restrictions on the Second Amendment.

Is that the US Constitution as written originally or the one that has numerous amendments?

I really did expect a better argument with a lawyer.

Besides the Second Amendment, which has been changed and restriction are put on what you can legally own. What other reasons can you give for owning a gun?

You are mistaken. The Second Amendment has not been changed. The Constitution, in regards to the Second Amendment, has never been edited. To change the Constitution you would need a Constitutional Convention. Which would require the legislatures of 34 states to call for and then to change the Second Amendment, as you claim has happened, would require 38 states (3/4) to ratify such a change. That has not happened.

And to be very honest, that will never happen in regards to the Second Amendment.

You are mistaking state or city restrictions or court decisions on the Second Amendment with changing the Second Amendment.

I live in Nevada, where it is still legal to open carry. There are very few restrictions on gun ownership and/or purchases here. And it is rather easy to receive a concealed carry permit here as well. And Nevada also gives concealed carry permits to those people who move here from other states with a concealed carry permit. There are no restrictions on assault weapons and there are no restrictions on magazines. Nevada is probably one of the most free states left in America, legal prostitution, gambling, drinking, gun ownership, legal marijuana and smoking are all okay here.

The most recent significant decision in regards to the Second Amendment is 10 years old this year. In 2008, the SCOTUS decided Heller and actually struck down a law in Washington DC banning hand guns and their safe storage law. And then in 2010, SCOTUS decided McDonald, and imposed the freedoms guaranteed by the Second Amendment shall also apply to states and municipalities.

And luckily, I dont need a reason to own a gun where I live. I dont need a reason to strap one to my hip and walk around the grocery store, the gas station or my doctor's office and even in casinos on the Strip.