Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22243988)

Except that you're wrong (like usual)


Let's talk about what the President can and can't do for this Omnibus Bill. There's a lot of discussion both ways so let's examine how money gets allocated & spent in the US Government:

1. Congress allocates money to be spent. The President spends the allocated money.

2. Once Congress allocates money, their job is oversight of the money being spent. They don't spend the money and have no say HOW it gets spent as long as it's spent legally. That's their job to monitor with oversight.

3. Once the President is given the money with the instructions to spend it, he has a number of choices to make in spending it. There are some rules he has to follow & some of the money is fungible and some isn't.

4. However there are some other factors that are in play here. One of them is that the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.

5. This opens up new options.

6. By making these two declarations President Trump has just communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury. So, funds for Planned Parenthood? He can simply not allocate the funds.

7. Also, these declarations make some funds fungible. For instance if he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking? He can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall.

8. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. 9. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared.

8) So in summary - This will go to the Courts. Congress will sue the President over the Border Wall. But here's how it will play out - Congress and the President are co-equal branches with different functions. Congress allocates. The President spends.

9) The President has National Security as his Primary Responsibility and it's his job to use whatever funds and declarations he needs to for that job. No Court in this Nation (except corrupt on the take Judges) would EVER rule against a President for exercising that authority.

10) In the end the Supreme Court (yes, that's where it will end) will fully VALIDATE the President's Constitutional Authority & the Wall will be built.


Well, Steve Dupe? Did you comprehend points 4, 5, & 6? Do you have any facts, or just more false info & dumb insults??

Clown.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22244020)

I am satisfied that I am far older than you and more knowledgeable than you and more in touch with reality than you. So I know that, as I stated, a Presidents power is "very" limited as to what he can realistically do and can not do with monies that are allocated by congress. But of course as you stated cases can and do end up in the Supreme Court of the land from time to time which further hinders the President doing as he chooses with the monies allocated. But I am breaking my own rule of not discussing things with the likes of you so bye.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22244020)

I am satisfied that I am far older than you and more knowledgeable than you and more in touch with reality than you. So I know that, as I stated, a Presidents power is "very" limited as to what he can realistically do and can not do with monies that are allocated by congress. But of course as you stated cases can and do end up in the Supreme Court of the land from time to time which further hinders the President doing as he chooses with the monies allocated. But I am breaking my own rule of not discussing things with the likes of you so bye.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 22243430)

And rightfully so, this is exactly the opposite of what he won on.

Three main issues that could have been the deal breakers, build a wall and get the immigration under control, reenergize the economy, cut the worthless spending and don't enter any foreign wars.

With this bill there's no funding for the wall nor a comprehensive immigration reform, as for economy, well the markets run wild but to see the effect on the actual middle class, too early to see that.

But the most disturbing part is increasing the armed forces budget, while it's been a proven way to send some government money to local contractors, one has to ask what's been cooked behind the scenes. How was this so important that a bill like this could ever be accepted, and what's the trade off.

All and all, with signing this, he might have just lost the 2020.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22244058)

So your plan would be to spend what? 25 billion making a big fuckin wall. That will some how stop mexicans from either using airplanes, ladders and boats from coming over? It's incredible that you believe that is a significant issue in the US. If anything cheap labour built the strength of this nation. Without the influx of immigration the entire infrastructure would not be a fraction of what it is today and if I have to even begin to explain that to you than you have no concept of history.

just now you are realizing that he has lost the 2020 election? That ship has sailed... The only thing that needs to happen is voter turn out and anyone else coming in either democrat or republican will be a better choice hands down. As long as it isnt some idiotic celebrity anyway.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22244042)

This can't continue. Trump is clearly terrible at his Job and needs to be removed.

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22244067)

75% of all Illegal immigrants are on welfare or food stamps, costing the taxpayers $130 Billion every year. The wall will pay for itself if it reduces this by even 10%.

:pimp

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 22244113)

I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall ya dumb assbackward redneck.

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22244128)

Hey SuckedOffThis, I realize you're an emotional dimwit who only spews insults instead of debating facts, but maybe you should attempt to get some facts:

REVEALED! HOW TRUMP WILL GET MEXICO TO PAY FOR WALL

PS- Why would you want to be paying $130 billion every year for illegal non-citizens?

:pimp

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 22244131)

You get emotional like a little girl. How old are you?

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22244140)

Old enough to post facts instead of calling people dumb assbackward rednecks.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by cspdinc (Post 22243661)

fucking hell, funding is being done through the military budget like it should be for the wall.. trump played you all. you dumb fucks.

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 22244147)

Yet you have the emotions of a little girl and you are giggly :1orglaugh at everything you type.

Have you ever been told you have not reached your emotional maturity level yet? Are you on some sort of disability?