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RedFred 05-24-2018 07:59 AM

Apparently when Robbie wants to buy a car he simply doesn't show up to the dealership thinking he will get a better deal that way.

:1orglaugh

Bladewire 05-24-2018 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275356)
The "deal" (that never actually existed) may indeed be off.

Trump said over and over and over (though the MSM and apparently you never listened) that if a deal is "bad" you get up and walk away.
Hell, he basically skewered John Kerry for NOT walking away from the Iran deal.

Not all negotiations work out in the end. But believe me, this IS a negotiating tactic.

And your opinion on Trump's negotiating skills is about as relevant as the "Expert". Neither you or I or that "expert" have EVER been on the level that Trump has been on his entire life.

And yet...here we both are discussing this as if we each have the answers. lol
Such is the human ego. :pimp

Trump crooned about getting the Nobel peace prize over and over again live on national TV and had a NK commemorative coins made.

Watching Robbie do a 180 just proves how brainwashed Trump supporters are and they'll continue to throw away any integrity they might have left at the drop of a hat at the request their Masters Trump and Putin.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275356)
(though the MSM and apparently you never listened) ...such is ego



you run around here squealing about MSM baloney all fucking day every fucking day then you try to use it to insult me.

It's obvious you know you've lost the argument and your ego can't take it.

such is YOUR ego, not mine.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275356)
But believe me, this IS a negotiating tactic.

why the fuck should I believe you when you don't give my view the same respect?

you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Bladewire 05-24-2018 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275373)
why the fuck should I believe you when you don't give my view the same respect?

you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

He lost my respect earlier this year when it came apparent all he wants to do is spew his agenda and not absorb the truth even when it doesn't accommodate him.

In Robs mind, when he's wrong he's also right he's never wrong. So it's like playing checkers with someone who when they lose they think they win and when they win they knew they were going to win because they always win even when they lose and they're always right even when they're wrong. It's mental defect. He could be in solitary confinement in prison for a year and during that whole time think he's a winner. Mental defect

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:15 AM

you can't go from trump's the master negotiator and this is a negotiating tactic to there was never a deal.

and insulting people while you do it.

RedFred 05-24-2018 08:22 AM

How to negotiate a better job offer according to Trump supporters: Don't show up to the interview and threaten to bomb their building.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:25 AM


xClips Jim 05-24-2018 08:27 AM

Tsk tsk. Such concern.

3 hostages handed back. Some nuclear tunnels shut down already.

Clearly, NK is acting the fool so we should pull out of talking with them.

That makes total sense.

Bladewire 05-24-2018 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22275388)
How to negotiate a better job offer according to Trump supporters: Don't show up to the interview and threaten to bomb their building.

Remember they Trump supporters read Trump supporter websites where there's always something on the back burner that no one else knows about but them so this is all part of the master plan to actually get North Korea to negotiate and nobody knows it cuz that evil mainstream media but Trump has a multiple plans and it's going to work.

So in Trump supporters Minds we don't know the truth only they know the truth because they read those special websites without the secret info.

pimpmaster9000 05-24-2018 08:29 AM

imagine the north koreans came to some country near the USA and you guys had talks...imagine they said "we want the USA to denuclearize" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


this is how funny americans sound when they mention n.korea denuclearisation with a serious face :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xClips Jim (Post 22275393)
Tsk tsk. Such concern.

3 hostages handed back. Some nuclear tunnels shut down already.

Clearly, NK is acting the fool so we should pull out of talking with them.

That makes total sense.

yup.
2 hours ago:
https://www.nknews.org/2018/05/north...esting-ground/

North Korea says it has dismantled nuclear testing ground
Nuclear Weapons Institute of the DPRK issues statement after media witnesses tunnel detonations

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22275395)
imagine the north koreans came to some country near the USA and you guys had talks...imagine they said "we want the USA to denuclearize" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


this is how funny americans sound when they mention n.korea denuclearisation with a serious face :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

some of us have hope for a better tomorrow. more nukes is not better, it's worse.

pointing your finger at people who want things to be better is not a good look for anyone.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:39 AM

And ftr, to be perfectly clear-

I wanted to give trump a win on this deal, i want things to be better with nk.
just like I've given him credit for contributing to the economy via the trump effect and tax cuts, and for his removing the politicization of the war on ISIS. Other things as well. He's still not my kind of guy, I don't like him as a dude or as a president

pimpmaster9000 05-24-2018 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275405)
some of us have hope for a better tomorrow. more nukes is not better, it's worse.

pointing your finger at people who want things to be better is not a good look for anyone.


I hope for a nuclear future...lets face it: the USA will never stop invading...50 years from now the USA will still be invading...only with drones and robots...fuck that...

there is no reason for invaders to feel safe...I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees (not to quote movies but I agree with the statement 100%) :thumbsup

RedFred 05-24-2018 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22275394)
Remember they Trump supporters read Trump supporter websites where there's always something on the back burner that no one else knows about but them so this is all part of the master plan to actually get North Korea to negotiate and nobody knows it cuz that evil mainstream media but Trump has a multiple plans and it's going to work.

So in Trump supporters Minds we don't know the truth only they know the truth because they read those special websites without the secret info.


It's why it is a complete waste of time and energy to have any type of dialogue with them. It's like discussing physics with a 5 year old. You're better off just making farting sounds and marveling at their expression.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22275408)
I hope for a nuclear future...lets face it: the USA will never stop invading...50 years from now the USA will still be invading...only with drones and robots...fuck that...

there is no reason for invaders to feel safe...I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees (not to quote movies but I agree with the statement 100%) :thumbsup

ruskie dick suckers give ruskie invaders a free pass. Add up all the invasions over time and dance, USA wouldn't be anywhere near the top. but but but viet nam. farmers. bombs. WAAH GFY amewicans...

beerptrol 05-24-2018 08:48 AM

When they read out loud the letter Chump sent, I thought they were reading the lyrics to a new Taylor Swift break up song!

Robbie 05-24-2018 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275373)
why the fuck should I believe you when you don't give my view the same respect?

you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

I could care less what you believe.
You can believe whatever you want.

A deal either happens or it doesn't. My observation is based on my experience and thought process.
Yours is different.

So believe whatever you want.

This is all negotiating. NK tested us, Trump calls the bluff.
Now we have to see what NK's next move is.

Their hand is weak. In the end it will be peace or war.

xClips Jim 05-24-2018 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275398)
yup.
2 hours ago:
https://www.nknews.org/2018/05/north...esting-ground/

North Korea says it has dismantled nuclear testing ground
Nuclear Weapons Institute of the DPRK issues statement after media witnesses tunnel detonations

Right? I mean - does it seem logical that they are not acting in good faith? Reasonable that we would pull out of this because of some bellicose language? And that we respond to their language with "Our nukes are bigger than your nukes...?"

I don't know the answer - my super secret private websites where all the real information is hidden away from prying eyes and nobody else can look (also known as - government and justice department websites) are not expounding on the national security strategy of the United States - in public.

I can only wonder and ask questions. North Korea has done nothing different and is showing good faith, despite allegedly aggressive language. Is that enough, with all the good faith shown to cancel an important summit? To people that hate Trump, they will see it as confirmation of things they believe. To me, it is not a logical move - so I wonder what else is going on that we don't know.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:55 AM

robbie, you were offended by the thread and lashed out. you lost any credibility in this thread several posts ago.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xClips Jim (Post 22275420)
Right? I mean - does it seem logical that they are not acting in good faith? Reasonable that we would pull out of this because of some bellicose language? And that we respond to their language with "Our nukes are bigger than your nukes...?"

I don't know the answer - my super secret private websites where all the real information is hidden away from prying eyes and nobody else can look (also known as - government and justice department websites) are not expounding on the national security strategy of the United States - in public.

I can only wonder and ask questions. North Korea has done nothing different and is showing good faith, despite allegedly aggressive language. Is that enough, with all the good faith shown to cancel an important summit? To people that hate Trump, they will see it as confirmation of things they believe. To me, it is not a logical move - so I wonder what else is going on that we don't know.

most of what's going on we don't know.

That's why I think threads like this have value, the intent is to take a serious unbiased view and discuss it. The op article provided a pragmatic view of the timeline of events.

One thing we do know now- the summit is postponed indefinitely.

correction: trump says summit is canceled.

pimpmaster9000 05-24-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275413)
ruskie dick suckers give ruskie invaders a free pass. Add up all the invasions over time and dance, USA wouldn't be anywhere near the top. but but but viet nam. farmers. bombs. WAAH GFY amewicans...

once you take away the ability of small countries to fight your invaders conventionally, the small countries will seek another way to keep your gangsters away...USIS has simply invested too much money in invasion apparatus and research for other smaller countries to keep up...also USIS is too dependent on war profits to ever quit invading...so the only logical solution is nukes or bacteria...

you can now go back to playing dumb to what your country does, this changes nothing...sooner or later 1 country will make the bacteria/nukes and start selling...I hope this day comes as soon as possible :thumbsup

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:01 AM

uhh, this thread proves I'm certainly not playing dumb to what's going on in the world.

keep dancing ruskie dick sucker.

Robbie 05-24-2018 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275422)
robbie, you were offended by the thread and lashed out. you lost any credibility in this thread several posts ago.

I wasn't offended. And I don't think I have any "credibility" with any of the faceless nickname people on GFY anyway.
Again...couldn't care less.

By the way, I re-read what I wrote earlier and you are right. It did come across like I was insulting you.
I didn't mean that at all. Sorry about that. The written word doesn't always convey meaning correctly. No offense was meant.

Rochard 05-24-2018 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22275428)
once you take away the ability of small countries to fight your invaders conventionally, the small countries will seek another way to keep your gangsters away...USIS has simply invested too much money in invasion apparatus and research for other smaller countries to keep up...also USIS is too dependent on war profits to ever quit invading...so the only logical solution is nukes or bacteria...

you can now go back to playing dumb to what your country does, this changes nothing...sooner or later 1 country will make the bacteria/nukes and start selling...I hope this day comes as soon as possible :thumbsup

No one has attacked North Korea in the past fifty years, so... They are pretty safe.

Also, in the event of some kind of an attack the first thing they would do would be to strike out at their command and control facilities and their missiles.

They shouldn't kid themselves here. It takes them days to launch a test missile. It would be taken out long before it could launch.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275440)
I wasn't offended. And I don't think I have any "credibility" with any of the faceless nickname people on GFY anyway.
Again...couldn't care less.

By the way, I re-read what I wrote earlier and you are right. It did come across like I was insulting you.
I didn't mean that at all. Sorry about that. The written word doesn't always convey meaning correctly. No offense was meant.

I appreciate that. Let's just call it a miscommunication and move on.

I'm not here to argue at all, if i disagree on something I try to phrase it unoffensively. I do come across confident in my opinion, maybe too much so. I'm certainly not emotional about trump but there's a lot going on around him that I am interested in. I had high hopes for this deal, it wasn't about being right or wrong on GFY for me.

crockett 05-24-2018 09:19 AM

Nobody knew diplomacy could be so complicated

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22275452)
Nobody knew diplomacy could be so complicated

trump sure isn't being trump in the letter. no bluster at all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-A0yfVQAAyzKe.jpg

xClips Jim 05-24-2018 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275448)
I'm certainly not emotional about trump but there's a lot going on around him that I am interested in. I had high hopes for this deal, it wasn't about being right or wrong on GFY for me.

Once you get used to the roller coaster the show gets pretty good. A lot of times you have that excitement build up as the coaster ratchets it's way to the top - click click click - and then you crest - and your hands go up in the air - WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! This is one of those times. :winkwink:

Bladewire 05-24-2018 09:28 AM

↑↑↑ Fake nic xClips Jim aka JohnnyClips aka JohnnyNight

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xClips Jim (Post 22275458)
Once you get used to the roller coaster the show gets pretty good. A lot of times you have that excitement build up as the coaster ratchets it's way to the top - click click click - and then you crest - and your hands go up in the air - WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! This is one of those times. :winkwink:

yes! :1orglaugh except for the nuke part eh. although I'm not hitting the panic button yet on that. I'm pretty confident USA will never ever launch the first nuke again, and Un isn't going to do anything like that either. cooler heads prevail.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275440)
I wasn't offended. And I don't think I have any "credibility" with any of the faceless nickname people on GFY anyway.
Again...couldn't care less.

By the way, I re-read what I wrote earlier and you are right. It did come across like I was insulting you.
I didn't mean that at all. Sorry about that. The written word doesn't always convey meaning correctly. No offense was meant.

Robbie, I've done the same with my posts here and see I came across offensively at times, I apologize. We're both Americans and want the same things in general.

Robbie 05-24-2018 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275448)
I appreciate that. Let's just call it a miscommunication and move on.

I'm not here to argue at all, if i disagree on something I try to phrase it unoffensively. I do come across confident in my opinion, maybe too much so. I'm certainly not emotional about trump but there's a lot going on around him that I am interested in. I had high hopes for this deal, it wasn't about being right or wrong on GFY for me.

I was worried for a minute that you might "Trump" me and walk away from the table. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's all good. :)
I should have re-read what I wrote and saw how cold it came across before I hit "submit"

BaldBastard 05-24-2018 09:35 AM

Several ballistic missiles launches have been detected from North Korea, YOU HAVE 38 minutes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/7/24/no...rea/index.html

xClips Jim 05-24-2018 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22275467)
yes! :1orglaugh except for the nuke part eh. although I'm not hitting the panic button yet on that. I'm pretty confident USA will never ever launch the first nuke again, and Un isn't going to do anything like that either. cooler heads prevail.

Well, sometimes the coaster flies off the tracks... :) Still, even that is more likely than a nuclear attack so I'm not afraid to get on the ride. :thumbsup

Bladewire 05-24-2018 09:40 AM


dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22275471)
I was worried for a minute that you might "Trump" me and walk away from the table. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's all good. :)
I should have re-read what I wrote and saw how cold it came across before I hit "submit"


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I read the art of the deal years ago, I remember a blurb in it about how trump talked about how he liked to get the guy across the table so riled up the sweat circles under his arms would touch.

dyna mo 05-24-2018 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22275472)
Several ballistic missiles launches have been detected from North Korea, YOU HAVE 38 minutes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/7/24/no...rea/index.html

I'd keep an eye out if I were you, no telling where those missiles fall out of the sky.

pimpmaster9000 05-24-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22275445)
No one has attacked North Korea in the past fifty years, so... They are pretty safe.

Also, in the event of some kind of an attack the first thing they would do would be to strike out at their command and control facilities and their missiles.

They shouldn't kid themselves here. It takes them days to launch a test missile. It would be taken out long before it could launch.

yes, adequate missile technology is still out of reach for weak and poor countries...this is why bacteria is better...all it takes is 1 sleeper agent with 1 vial in 1 random country...keeping up with USIS with conventional weapons is futile, invasions are becoming normal and sovereignty is just a meaningless word...unconventional warfare is the way to go...

we live in the age of the internet and information can be passed on in seconds...freedom for small countries will come in a vial or in a missile or some other way...it is just a matter of time...I do not believe there will be much future for mankind but at least the small get to die standing on their feet because the strong would not leave them alone...


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