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dancing and ruskie dick sucking at same time, you work hard for putin.
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Not to mention there are radio communications from the head Russian guy claiming they shot down a military transport.. Don't continue to be a fool.. |
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well it cant be both...you have to decide :2 cents: |
more evidence is forthcoming ruskie dick sucker.
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hello dropper...hows droppin'? |
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Russia needs to accept responsibility for this and move it. It's not the first time a passenger plane was shot down by accident.
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you said: These soldiers didn't have access to Russian tracking info because communications would prove Russian was funding the invasion. but then you quote russian communications after all... |
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ruskie dick sucker argument flies in the face of the facts.
screw the facts, ruskies would never invade. ruskies would never launch missile. |
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of course Russia doesnt support AT ALL Donbass rebels. by various clandestine means. KGB style.
NOT ALL NEVER !!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh from 2:35 its brilliant |
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Probably one Boris on the eastern side of border "lent" some BUKs to few drunk Ivans on the western side of the Border... Ivans fucked up, Boris pretends that he wasnt there at all... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh or other scenario: they stole it from UKR army and made a mess... |
Meanwhile in Russia: Russia quietly conducted the world's longest surface-to-air missile test
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Once again for people with a slow mind: 1) Russia tracks all the civilian airplanes and it has never took down any by mistake. 2) The Russian army does not use BUKs as single units, because BUK is a complex. If it was a single unit when... it was stolen. |
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1) It was not Russia. It was the Soviet Union and there was a Cold War. 2) The plane has been took down and there was no mistake. It was intercepted and escorted, because it has gone a wrong way. The crew has rejected to communicate on radio. So it was took down and once again, it was not a mistake like "oops". It was an absolutely knowingly action. It maybe a surprise for you, but today the magazines like "Popular Mechanics" say that the plane was guided from the US base in Alaska to light up the Soviet anti-aircraft systems (the Americans just used those Korean civilians). So it definitely was not a mistake. The crew has been warned many times and asked to get back on its course before the plane was shot down. 3) This is how a pure mistake does look like: Iran Air Flight 655 and it was not Russia... and not the Soviet Union. |
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now either they had communications, in which case they knew fully well it was a civilian aircraft, in this case they would not have shot the plane down because: international shit storm...OR...they did not have communications, in which case your "Recording" of them having communications is not valid... you can not have it both ways...decide... |
I still believe it was some rogue unit of Russian, Ukraininan or rebel forces... a big fuck up but for a minute I do NOT believe that Russians or Ukrainians did it on purpose. I believe some "rebel" group who did not have tracking capabilities just fucked up. But WTF, it is easy to blame Russia for everything, maybe the even the Hawaian volcano eruption is Russia's fault:1orglaugh
.... and since nobody has mentioned another similar fuck up here is a quote: It is twenty-nine years since the shootdown by the USS Vincennes of Iran Air flight 655, which killed all of the plane’s 290 civilian passengers. This shootdown of a civilian airliner by a US naval ship occurred on July 3, 1988, toward the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq War. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZGwkwi0gf_M/maxresdefault.jpg So fuck up is a fuck up....and if I recall nobody went to jail for this one either.:2 cents: |
i think the Russians did it. But i am not sure they did it on puprose. But for sure they don't want the truth to come out and give false information. But not only the russians are guilty, that plane shouldn't fly there in the first place, and that can be blamed on the Dutch government, the airline company and probably some more people.
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https://comments.ua/images/Girkins_1.jpg If you ask where Cossacks got that BUK, just watch the movie. If you ask who has trained them to use it, I'll say: the army. Everybody in the USSR (actually even now in Russia and the Ukraine) had to serve in army. Someones were paratroopers or marines, while others were operators of BUK, S-300 or Satan nuke launchers. Course the Ukrainian rebels were able to find the guys who can use it, but a single unit w/o a "купол" system was unable to recognize a civilian airplane. That was a real fuckup. |
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It's a system and a single rogue unit is just a part of it. The army will not use it in any case, because it's efficiently it close to zero. |
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P.S. I don't want to say there is no Russian army/mercenaries on Donbass, but they will not use BUK like this. Will you drive a car with one wheel? They won't for sure. This is the regular BUK system: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...em_in_2010.jpg On this picture you can see at least 4 different trucks (only a small part of the loader is shown there). And that's why BUK is called a SYSTEM. The Netherland reports say about only one unit, which probably was stolen by the Ukrainian rebels. |
So the Russians didn't sent a complete system and because of that they shot an airplane full of innocent people of the air. So the Russians are also responsible, it is that simple. And as it looks now there was a russian officer in charge. Russia is quilty. I am still wondering why they shot it, maybe that was the plan also. The system came from Russia, why didn't they sent a complete system. Maybe they wanted to hit a holiday charter plane. They try to cover up and make excuses, eccuses and more excuses. And that makes everybody more mad. They are behaving as assholes.
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yes lets just hit this civilian plane and make an international shit storm for no reason....said nobody ever... when in doubt, simply see who had the most to gain :thumbsup |
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I don't make any excuses here as well. I just try to show you how to use a simple logic in a very simple situation. The regular Russian army will never use a single unit of BUK, so do your conclusion. Do you think that Russian army had a problem to deliver a whole system? When they wanted to take over Crimea it was looked like this: and like this: When they wanted to be first in Serbia, they did this: Maybe I should post a video from Georgia where all their US-trained army was destroyed in 5 days? And after that some Netherland "experts" tell me about a single rogue BUK unit? Man, turn on your brain already. If the Russian army wanted to deliver BUK to the Ukraine it would deliver the complete system. A single rogue unit is something... hmm... outstanding at least. |
Bellingcat is the 'independent' investigation bureau, partly funded by OSF which is.... drumroll... George Soros!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations The same Soros who promoted and propagandized the political coup in Ukraine by the EU to steal more land, the same George Soros who paid several media in the Netherlands to air propaganda advertisements to make us vote FOR the EU and Ukraine 'association' treaty in our referendum a few years ago. Which we didn't. But still got pushed through anyway. There are powers at work here, and they're all biased - from the JIT to Russia - and sadly anything the media spreads about the MH17 you just cannot take for granted. It is that bad. This is what happens when even the 'independent' investigation team is compromised. This all with total disregard to the families of the victims. To this gross, poisonous elite we are nothing but pesky ants, the don't give a shit about human lives. |
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This is how a BUK convoy does look like: https://liveuamap.com/e/2014/27-augu...-buk-to-russia But that's Belorussia, not the Ukraine... |
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I agree a lot of people fucked up, primarily the airline flying over an active war zone....stupid!! My point was that Russia partially guilty or not should not be blamed for all. :2 cents: |
I can predict what will happen with the quilty ones; nothing. The political people in Holland will keep blaming Russia for all. Russia will be saying they don't know nothing., The people from Ukrain will say the same, and the Ameeicans destroyed their radar images.
While it was so simple, i think nobody would think this was on purpose. Better be honest and say sorry and compensate. What they are doing now will lead to nothing. It was a war zone, don't fly there, it is that simple. I don't trust anyone that was fighting in that area, all could be involved. I am sure the no Dutch politician. air control leader, or others involved will take responsibility What could Holland do, if Russia wants Holland will lose a big part of exports. And money is what the Ducth government loves more than anything else. |
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P.S. I've already posted a link to the article on how the Ukrainian army took down a civilian aircraft with Israel and Russian people. Russia and even the Soviet Union have never shot down a plane by mistake. Americans did that too, but we didn't. |
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why Russia wouldnt give them just one unit ? Much easier to smuggle and make it clandestine. Why not ? They use DonBass situation only to destabilize, so they dont care about full engagement anyway. Just like they did in Moldova - Transnestran REpublic. I'm like 70 % sure that firing BUK came from Russia and it was "lent". Its like you would be still negating Russian involment in Donbass situation lol. Come on ! everyone knows that Donbass/ donieck rebels get clandestine support from Russia. Why you trying so hard to deny it ? It's like arguing with person saying that black is white. or vice versa. doesnt make much sense after some time, seriously. |
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These are the Ukrainian news: Militants of the "DNR" seized military air defense units with anti-aircraft complexes "Buk" at the end of June - use Google translate. Doesn't it explain where the Ukrainian rebels got that BUK and why it was not a system, but just one blind unit which could not recognize a civilian airplane? Any questions? |
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