I'm not responsible for what my fake nics write I guess?

Dunno what to tell you - I say how I feel about it - I do not agree with his assessment that this is there just to get people to "hang themselves" - it requires a predicate act.

I forgot - no thoughts on Admiral Mike Rogers?

I was never a supporter of Hillary. I only voted for her because I had a choice between "bad'" and "worst case scenario". Now we see how bad a president can be. He has accomplished nothing, pissed off everyone, and is a constant embarrassment to our country. This is not a political thing - I am not a Democrat and do not always vote for one party.

In hindsight... Hillary Clinton was perfectly qualified - and was by far the most vetted candidate we've ever had.

jesus.. ease up on the meltdown. you just used an image as 'evidence' of a news article...

Any thoughts on elmer fudd?

since we are changing the subject.

He seems to be a gun fan?

It might seem like a change of subject to you. It isn't.

So there was no spying, even though the New York Times admitted it! LOL! You guys crack me up :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

“the White House is running this,”

‘Obama White House is Running This’ Exchange Between FBI Lovebirds Prompts Grassley to Seek Unredacted Strzok-Page Text Messages

Breaking: Senate Releases Unredacted Strzok-Page Texts Showing FBI Initiated MULTIPLE SPIES in Trump Campaign in December 2015

I hear ya, that was my attempt at good-natured ribbing..........

The last I recall about Rogers was something about trump not ordering cyber security against the ruskies. Is there more to that?

Read this and keep it in mind for the future. I don't expect it to 180 you.

Did NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump About Eavesdropping? | US Defense Watch

I think it will also help answer your thoughts about what (and when) Trump knew about this "spygate" thing.

it took me a bit to process that article, it seems it hinges on the following:

unfortunately, there is no evidence to support these assertions.

Mike Rogers caught onto the whole scheme because he was watching the goings on at the FISA court. There IS evidence of that. He shut down the ability for 3rd party contractors to query the FBI database. These queries is what started his investigation into FISC. There is evidence of this. There's an entire report on the matter.. Those queries is what gave them the incorrect information about Cohen traveling somewhere he didn't and how it ended up in the dossier. Sound familiar? The same thing happened with the wrong Cohen and bank records.. He learned of what they were doing via his investigation and after the election is when he broke ranks and went to Trump with what he had learned.. That day Sessions who was also in the meeting with Rogers is picked as AG. The very next day Trump moves his entire staff out of Trump Tower.

I'm a little busy but I'll see what I can find for you. However, that is not point I'd like to stick with you at this time. The media (and this board) like to dissect into tiny pieces and ignore the larger picture.

WHY did the head of the NSA go to President-elect Trump after the election? What did he have to tell them? This thought doesn't hinge on anything at all - it requires you to wonder - what was he doing there? What did the guy who hoovers up ALL the information in the world have to tell the incoming President before he even took office?

This is what began Mike Rogers' inquiry

Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data on Americans with private parties
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/05/...rivate-parties

The full memo here

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...r_Apr_2017.pdf

Fusion GPS was one of those 3rd parties.

This memo is because of what they were doing. It is DIRECTLY related to all of this. They continued on even after the court told them what they were doing was illegal which is what led to Rogers cutting off all access.. Once he did this they began to use the Ohr's to obtain the information via the State Dept. Nellie Ohr was hired on at Fusion and the information was given to her by Bruce who worked at the State Department. Rogers has testified to all of this before Congress.

before we move on, you'll need to sort out why trump does not declassify the carter page FISA warrant and checkmate this whole mf.

Trump is letting them do their investigations while playing laser pointer with liberal cats. The FISA warrant is only 1 small piece.. Truth be told Congress isn't even sure what they have seen is what was actually presented to the court.. At this point the court has refused to provide their actual application copy to confirm both sides have the same thing.

except for the fact that the conspiracy was for hilary to win.

so wht you are claiming is that trump knew about the conspiracy to derail his campaign via dirt yet not only did team hilary NOT spill the dirt, trump did NOT spill the dirt on hilary digging up the dirt and backburnered that dirt on hilary only to use it to play laser AFTER the NYT revealed the Halper informant story.


you bring up more questions than answers.


not saying politics isn't ugly and all that, but you're not providing any reason to believe spygate isn't anything more than an opportunity seen by trump based on the Halper story.

on top of it all, trump is sitting on the bombshell that would blow the whole conspiracy wide open but instead of firing it like a nuclear powered laser gun he's playing taunt Americans with it, because that's fun.

come on. I mean reeeeeeaaaaaaalllllllly. I need 2 monocles and more tea for that fancy shit.

Once again, he didn't find out until AFTER the election when Rogers made the trip to NY to inform him...

If Trump didn't let the investigations play out then no one would believe it.... McCabe? If he was fired by Trump rather than his peers because of the investigation playing out?

unfortunately that premise would require Obama to have sought the FISA warrants. As I pointed out earlier, there is no evidence he did.

again, spygate is just a legal maneuver that tried to capitalize on the Halper story, which even FOX news states is baloney.

Halper story is very real. No one is saying it's baloney. In fact they've all but admitted it. And if you think Obama didn't know about all of this you're in for a mind blowing surprise... Remember Page and Strzok texts.. "The White House is running this." "Obama wants to know everything"

of course halper was an informant, they use informants all the time, that's not a story, at all.

I never stated what I think about obama. what i stated was spygate conspiracy theorists have not shown that the FISA warrants were sought by obama. that's just one problem with the spygate ct.

another big problem with spygate-

why didn't the FBI also target trump himself and at least trump jr? why only flynn, manafort, page, and papadopolous? they nefariously spied on just them as per Obama orders?

unlikely.

http://www.madspiders.com/images/opus_believe.jpg



To paraphrase: "If the majority of Americans believe a lie, it is still a lie."


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I'm not closed to it. I'm not currently buying into spygate but I'm still open to something along the lines of it. But as it currently stands, I find it a theory needing a lot more facts.

It is extremely complicated, involving multiple countries and agencies. If you said you bought it already after little to no investigation on your part, you'd be like a conspiracy theorist who believes the first thing he reads. It speaks to your intelligence that you don't believe it right away.

For now - why did Admiral Mike Rogers (head of the NSA for the Obama admin) go see President-elect Trump right after the election? Why did they move out of Trump Tower the next day?