took you a while to put that nonsense together.

Hillary Clinton had almost 3 Million more votes than Donald Trump did and by the casual observer should have won the election as she is clearly more popular. But in the US, they have something called the Electoral College which ultimately decides the winner. You can read a good overview of it here https://informationstation.org/video/electoral-college/

As for blaming Russia, there's no doubt that Russia influenced the election to help Trump win. And if you ever talk to a GFY'er who doesn't believe it, you can tell them that so far that 3 different companies and 20 different people so far have pleaded guilty or been indicted, and it's still ongoing. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury

Of course it could not have been done without alot of help from within too. It's a fantastic mess.

Cheers

m

heads up captain save a nazi: I don't apologize to dumb nazis for pointing out they're dumb nazis.

that doesn't even make sense. but keep proving your dimwit

This is an industry forum, not an American-only forum.
Not everyone is anti-American. I'm not.


No mirrors in your Mom's basement I see...

Weak, lazy, but you knew that.

Mark almost daily Bladwire, calls people Alt-Right, Nazi's etc... I haven't once seen you call him out on this, why?

One call-out at a time...

Seriously, everyone should pull it back a little. It's all discuss and lose our minds, but take a break when we're about to call someone a truly rotten name or truly bad insult.

One good reason for it is that it just doesn't work. If you say "I believe blah blah blah" and someone calls you an F'in This and That, it won't change your mind, and it won't help you to see their point of view - it just makes you and anyone else solidify their beliefs, and makes that bubble a little stronger.

Cheers!

the same reason he waxed right over all the violent threats by dumb nazi thommy that I posted.

because while he's a dimwit ca who thinks he's special because he watched an avenger movie, he's also a huge hypocrite.

In this message5 Thommy said


and then in this message you called him a Nazi.


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See the date? June 23. See the guy in the picture? That's Captain America! Happy Birthday Captain America woohoo!!!!!

captain save a dumb nazi.

oh look the bomb dropper thinks we should all be waving american flags :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

nigga pls :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

My point is that you have never taken this pious stance before of calling people out for name calling. Now all of a sudden you seem to be acting rather concerned about all of this.

But it's not a discussion, in the last week I have seen people post videos and links establishing their point, I have watched you respond in those threads ignoring or not addressing their ''evidence'' and then later asking for ''links'' You are a grown up and can google things, you don't discuss, you have a preset idea in your mind and I have rarely (I use rarely because frankly I don't want to look through your posting history to see if you have ever changed your mind) seen you change your position or concede ground to any ideas that don't fit your liberal agenda.

Address the Bladewire concern, to be going after Dyanmo and saying ''one at a time'' is really you just continuing to push your agenda. Dynamo isn't even some alt right fake nic troll, for the most part he was rather reasonable, but the constant nonsense, fake news and insults coming from people like Bladwire have pushed him this far.

Bladwire is a problem, I don't care if you are on the left or the right. It's obvious, constant fake threads, misinformation, clickbait and personal insults. 3,4,5 times daily but since he defends your point of view, I haven't seen you say a thing.

you can't grasp the fact you choose to be here whining and complaining about Americans to Americans.

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and you cant grasp the fact that your government wont leave the world the fuck alone...did you ever hear me bitching about switzerland? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

once you guys fuck off home I will have no problem not bitching :thumbsup

You're 100% right.


You are right here too. I forgot what this is called ... Cognitive Bias or something like that?

But anyway, yes you're right. I have preset ideas, but so does most if not everyone else here in GFY who argues forever about politics. We're all smart enough to run our own businesses, but why aren't we smart enough to realize this super-deep bias we seem to all have?


I agree with you that Dynamo is rather reasonable which is why his "Nazi" comment to Thommy jumped right off my screen to me. None of us should ever resort to that.


Like I said, one at a time. We're' in this thread, I dislike the Nazi association, I'm talking to Dynamo. Let's see where this goes first.

Cheers.

m

only a dumb anti-American would think that makes sense.

it's OK to you for dumb nazi thommy to threaten me and others with violence and death, as I've shown with just a few out of dozens of his violent comments, but you harangue me for standing up to that? you dimwit.

I know how their system works and that's exactly what I meant in one of my previous posts. In a democratic country Clinton would win the elections, but not in the USA, because the States have never been democracy, they are not democracy and they will never be democracy.

Mark, you are a massive hypocrite to start threads calling 70 million Americans "fucking idiots" simply because they participated in the democratic process, you give bullies like dumb nazi thommy a free pass to threaten others with violence and death.

But you choose to try and admonish me for standing up to that.

wow you're a fruitloop.

says the guy who comes from a bomb dropping country that drops 25.000 bombs/year, invades more countries than the roman empire and threatens others 24/7 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ruskie, our system isn't perfect. no one here is claiming it is. if you were actually intellectually honest and therefor open to discussion, we could easily have open dialogue about what's not perfect here and you would have a better understanding of the world around you.

Unfortunately for you, you are intellectually dishonest.

That's why you need to come here and insult the very Americans who you want to buy your ruskie product.

You won't believe it, but most of socialist countries do pretty well. E.g. Switzerland, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Iceland etc. I mean their economical model of course, not climate or migrant-related problems.

same goes for whiny serb.

You made my day, dude :thumbsup :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

and that's what I meant by your being intellectually dishonest. you're not at all capable of adult dialogue.

The masks the Left have been wearing are coming off. Their intolerance, hate and thirst for violence are going to become worse - just watch.

I see an uneducated little kid posting from your nickname. To be honest, I don't consider you as an adult. Your childish pots are funny and they make me smile. The person who can't see a difference between democracy and republic; and sincerely considers the peasant anti-democratic (aka indirect) voting system perfect, is not an adult person in my opinion. Sorry, but there is nothing I can do about it.

That's not an insult at all, but just a statement of fact.

it's horrible to watch already. I can't believe that even after my posting just a few of dumb nazi thommy violent posts that mark has the audacity to keep coming at me for standing up to that.

Makes me think maybe I should veer way right. but I strongly believe in democratic socialism very much like America is in my view.

Though no one cares, the "left/right" bias is universal, across all nations and cultures. It's been studied to death. It manifests itself in slightly different ways and there are some cultural influences in moral reasoning, but overall, the same exact division exists... regardless of race or class.

It's an evolutionary trait relating to group selection. Great decisions come through fierce argument. Those decisions which can threaten or destroy the group are those where no one raises their hand and voices an objection and where no debate argument ensues.

For that argument to exist and for every big issue to be argued to the end, where the middle is then defined, all arguments for and against have been heard for for the compromise to rise to the surface it is not in anyone's benefit to "see the other side" from an evolutionary standpoint. "Seeing the other side" leads to less debate, less argument and less discussion and as such, leads to more risk to the survival of the group.

It's basic evolutionary biology relating to group selection and the more effective cooperation of groups..

Science bitches!

Personally, i'm just tired of being attacked for almost 10 years now for being less than human, for being racist for having an opinion, for being xenophobic for being concerned about 10s of millions of illegals in the country or for being hateful and greedy for wanting low taxes and a strong economy by smug, self righteous assholes who can act that way, behave in the most vile manner imaginable, consistently attack people in really vicious ways and then at the same time break their own arms patting themselves on the back for being morally superior. And when cornered "I only act that way because...you,..." is the always the response, taking no personal responsibility whatsoever.

There are a number of reasons for the different ways we view issues with respect to how we process moral questions (which is what lie at the heart of left/right), why we are blind to those of the other and I could break it all down in extreme detail but no one would read it and it would change nothing.

exclaims the ruskie who has American customers here and advertises his products to Americans here.

you're not smart. at all.

This is the exact thing that voters voted against.... all the way down to local levels.

8 years of a media, head over heels in love with Obama, telling everyone "if they don't agree with you, then they are just racist, hateful and mean".

8 years of a guy who literally started off looking like he was going to become the single greatest leader of our lives with his ability to speak well and with conviction who in the end, just talked about how everyone is racist, America is wrong, things are bad an not likely to get better etc.

8 years of the most divisive behavior and rhetoric to ever come from the White House with constant "republicans this" and "republicans that" - never remembering once that he was elected President of ALL Americans. This was a new thing by the way - as it used to be "my colleagues across the aisle" etc when referring to the other party and there was some decorum and respect which Obama completely abandoned.... leaving 1/2 the nation itself feeling like he didn't represent them.

8 years of scandal after scandal after scandal from the guy saying "there were no scandals in my administration".

8 years of the worst economic recovery in over a century as more and more regulations were created to stifle business

8 years of being told by our President... "it's all Bushes fault... but anyway, it is never going to get better"

8 years of being told "you're racist if you don't like Obamacare"

8 years of being called "obstructionist" by a party that controlled the White House, House and Senate as if that made any sense

8 years of a media that had next to zero criticism of their own government even in the middle of massive scandals like weaponizing the IRS against opposition speech

8 years of walking away from allies across the globe

8 years of apologizing for America and creating a vacuum of leadership on big issues around the world

8 years of hearing about something like Michael Brown who robbed a store and attempted to kill a police officer and how he was a victim

8 years of Obama getting involved in legitimate police shootings to make a point about race while ignoring many 1000s of little kids being shot in his own home town

8 years of pretending violent black on black crime is not a thing

8 years of arguing about tranny bathrooms and allowing men who identify as little girls to go into the womens showers.

8 years of idiotic things like inventing genders

and the list goes on and on...

Finally society pushed back and these guys are completely lost as to what just happened... because the last thing they remember the media telling them over and over is "we're awesome, they're evil, so all is good... and no, Trump can never be President"

"Popular vote" has nothing to do with 1/2 the nation electing an arrogant dickhead with no filter and "why" he got that much traction, nor does it have anything at all to do with Democrats losing more state seats since the Civil War.

And as complete proof of how out of sync they are with society right now, and whats happening politically they'll just keep saying "racist" etc.

Clearly voters want some house cleaning done.

In fact, no one can even to this day tell us what the Democratic platform is. We just hear crying, whining, complaining and blame. The same blame that we vote against 8 years of.

I don't sell my products to little kids like you, because you simply won't be able to use it. I sell it to adults only. Those who are clever and educated enough. Believe me, they don't consider my posts about the american election system or obamacare as a personal insult. Also they are smart enough to separate their work from entertainment. The same applies to me, a fun at GFY (maybe you know the meaning of this abbreviation) is... just a fun which has no relation to the business.

of course lurkers/potential customers don't care about your anti-American posts.

you keep thinking that ruskie.

No reason to veer right - idiots over there as well. :winkwink:

Veer towards facts and true information - it tends to solve most conundrums. When people stop seeing this as blue versus red, they are more likely to wake up.

IMO, it isn't that democrat socialism is bad per se - it's that there is better available. I very much believe in a social safety net - from unemployment insurance to universal health care - but it's HOW this is done which makes all the difference.

I tend to agree. I'm a big fan of Capitalism and rely on it. These are turbulent political times is all. Not as bad as 1968 but close. But the fact remains that WE are Americans, we'll sort out the current issues. It's not as bad as it seems in my view.

Something I have really noticed more and more is that conservatives (reasonably intelligent ones, not the Infowars conspiracy ones) simply trounce Liberals these days as far as being able to debate. They honestly tend to have the most facts to support their arguments if I agree morally or not in their argument is another story, but they know their facts.

More and more I have been thinking it's because of the media and liberal bias basically calling any defense of right wing thought racist. If every debate or discussion that happens, you are defending what are basically ''Racist'' positions every time, I think it makes you really have to be tight on your language and the points you want to debate.

It's simple to argue a liberal point of view since it's so virtuous and sounds so great, wouldn't the world be amazing if that's how everything was. You won't be ostracized, you won't lose your job, there is no negative consequences to holding this viewpoint. So why would I actually need to know anything.

Anti-american? What exactly anti-american is in my posts? Any quotes, kid? :upsidedow

And in the next moment they are posting lists of ICE workers calling for them and their children to be targeted. Calling for a Professional ball player to be banned from TV because he attended a Trump rally. Hounding a public official at dinner and at her home... Calling for the President's child and grandchild to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage with a group of pedo's..

That's just in the past few days and I know I missed a few..


Liberals Are Crazy. Will Voters Notice?

The media distorts the reality, so I agree - it's not as bad as it seems. The alt-right has their share of nazis and the alt-left has a similar breed of moron. I do not confuse Democrats in general with the lunacy coming out of the MSM, which is why I have a high degree of confidence in the midterms. I believe that a sufficient number of Dems will see through what is being said and done in their name and will revolt or not vote at all.

Just my opinion! :warning

run along ruskie, the Americans are chatting.

I see MSM as a (the?) big problem. Not sure how that's going to get sorted. And the internet too really. That's how ruskies can try and subvert democracy.

You now honestly have people who for the past 16 years have lived with the Bush is Hitler, If you don't like Obama you are racist narrative pounded into their brains and they are just so intellectually dishonest that society is in a terrible spot. Republicans wanted a panther in the china shop to knock some stuff around but they got the Bull instead. Trump is the icebreaker that might have really been needed to get Left and Right people back to the table in order to talk about issues that have been festering on both sides for 16 years.

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well played ruskie.

i will give you extra credit for being a good sport too.

I'm much more concerned with Americans attempting to subvert democracy.

The MSM is going to lose this one - they aren't used to that. President Trump doesn't need them and their usual methods are not working - narratives that used to last weeks now last 24-48 hours and there is a citizen journalist army that points out within minutes how the MSM twists their stories compared to the facts.

Take that pic of the crying kid in the fake cage for example. Without this new citizen army, that kind of fake stuff would be out there for people to pretend it's true for a long time.

It's a new world. :2 cents:

Time is going backwards now
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and i forgot...

8 years of a President bashing conservative news (and as such, 1/2 the voting public) and keeping them out of press briefings and only allowing those in who asked easy questions.

you are not so wrong with that. but what is the difference if mafiosi A does that or mafiosi B ?

what is wrong is you complete system and trump will not fix that because he is part of it.

to make a REAL change there means you have to find a way to vote for someone who is not corrupt and part of the existing system. means: one who does not even have the millions to pay for brainwashing you all.

I was fooled by Obama for a long time - that guy knew his way around a microphone better than Bill Clinton.

I believe he is not going to be remembered fondly when this stuff is concluded.

I'm not Anti American. I'm anti Trump. Details, Dynamo... details.

Links please? 3rd time asking now...

No, you're wrong.

I called them idiots for supporting Trump. I did not call them idiots for participating in the democratic process. How do you manage to flub details like that? Regardless, I apologized for calling them idiots, and I am not a hypocrite.

No I'm not. I'm telling you that calling him a Nazi is bad. Even if he threatened you, which you still have not shown, calling him a Nazi is a pretty bad thing to say. Why not just take the higher ground and ignore him instead?

In this message, I linked to 2 other messages and proved to you that Thommy didn't threaten you in this thread. Did he really threaten you? If so, where is the link?

No, I'm admonishing you for calling him a Nazi. If he threatened you, grab the links and send them to Eric. Cyberbulling is against most policies these days.

Eric! I'm being loop-shamed by someone losing an argument. Ack!