https://www.statista.com/statistics/...for-a-big-mac/


According to this it's the same as the USA. Also prices don't just rise, there is only so much someone will pay for McDonald's burger.

Yes, if you say that there are nothing but older people working at McDonalds...that is a lie.

And I never said the age should be "16" that's you saying that.

I said it is SUPPOSED to be an entry level job for people starting out in life. 18 years old out of high school for instance.
And the "Average" age would mean putting all the ages of everyone working there together and then dividing it by the number of employees.

So some are much younger and some are older. And I'm sure there are some 70 year olds working at McDonalds too. So what?

Doesn't mean that ANY of them should be getting anything more than what the job is worth.

Instead...they have all been fucked out of a job completely by the dumbasses who "protested" and the idiots in media who pushed that stupid agenda.

Congrats.

Those are from articles in 2013 and 2015 when Sweet Baby Jesus Obama's economy was in full effect.

NOW...factory jobs are coming back. I know you don't WANT to hear that because Trump is doing what Obama claimed was no longer possible.

And yet they have risen Tony. Just like I said they would and just like you are still in denial of it.

That's why things are having to go automated. READ what the former President of McDonalds said in the post I made above.

McDonalds are owned by franchisees. And raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour will wipe out ALL of their profit.

I don't know about you...but why the fuck would anyone want to work their entire lives...and finally have their own business in the form of McDonalds franchise...only to NOT make any money?

WTF? Are you really going to pretend that you can't understand that unskilled labor is CHEAP. And that people owning a fast food franchise are not in business to NOT make money.

Jesus Fucking Christ...

An adult will get between 18-25 to serve food in Australia the local manager of a Mcdonalds store drives a high end Range Rover. It certainly not the end of the world in some parts.

Don't let Robbie know McDonalds Australia is their most profitable international operation returning close to 1 billion a year to the USA and just on 2 billion local franchise profits.

.. his brain might explode.

yes, all kinds of conceptual failures around this place

-for instance you believe one TV show is true and 1 TV show is not true without any evidence.


and yes because you are not entitled :2 cents:

Jesus fuckng Christmas 15 dollars is alot of money to you in 2018? Try and live on 450 a week and get back to me how it's alot of money. Are you so blinded by ideology, that brains go out the window. You are a smart man.Also some people that's all they can do.Everyone is not meant to be a captain of industry if everyone was then there would be nothing special about it. They are working so I respect them for that. It's stupid to assume everyone is as smart and gifted as you.

Again Tony..you don't pay someone MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH.

And do the math...the President of McDonalds SHOWED IT TO YOU. Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and you wipe out the franchise owners profit.

Sure the corporation will still make their money. But the guy who has everything on the line to own a McDonalds store will lose his ass.

This has ALWAYS been the way it is. People didn't always feel so entitled. There used to be an understanding that you START at the bottom and work your way UP.

This was my point. Yes, in a perfect world fast food places and other jobs like this would be starter jobs for high school kids, recent grads, or part time gigs for people just looking to make a few extra bucks. I saw the other day that 53% of the all the jobs being created in this country are lower paying jobs. That is up from where it was right after the recession, but the reality of these days is that there are a ton of young people who have gone to college and got degrees and are now finding out that qualifies them to fold shirts at the Gap because that is the type of jobs that are out there.

I'm not saying this is proof we should pay fast food workers $15/hr (although I saw a story the other day about a guy who owns a Chick Fil A who was going to start paying his employees $17/hr). I'm just saying the work landscape has changed and will continue to do so.

that´s called MAGA - when americans take the jobs from mexicans.

so pay the fucking 9 dollar for a burger and enjoy it because soon it will be 12 dollar.
the day will come when you all wish this people back who did the dirty jobs for a few dollars.

and wait til the end of this year how much is left from the tax cuts you got.
in this year you will see an inflation rate as you haven´t seen in the past 50 years.

I just looked that stat up. It was from May of this year. But what it actually said was:

"Over the decade, the number of jobs held by older workers increased by 6.6 million. Over half of this increase - 3.4 million or 52% - was in bad jobs, defined by low wages"

So in the last TEN years more older workers have held jobs (probably because we are living longer and longer and people are healthier in their old age). And of THOSE jobs...52% are low wage.

Which means that they are using them to supplement their Social Security.

You can look at it two ways:
1. "Oh those poor OLD people still having to work at Walmart"
or
2. Older people who don't WANT to sit in a nursing home and want to be out amongst people doing work and feeling useful.

Robbie's posts in this thread are a glaring example of how ones brainwashing with emotionally charged ideology can make one act against his own best interests and the best interests of his community & country.

Robbie will never be a millionaire or billionaire but, against all reason & logic, Robbie identifies a multi billion dollar, multinational corporation as the "president of McDonalds" trying to make a profit and profits possibly being wiped out and him not making any money. The reality is there is a board of directors that ruthlessly cut product quality, portion sizes, etc. so each quarter they can make more profit than the previous and keep shares rising to make investors happy.

McDonalds made over $6,000,000,000 PROFIT last QUARTER. Source yet Robbie is brainwashed to think of McDonslds as a mom & pop operation and greedy unskilled lazy workers wanting to get paid more than they are worth and making "the president of McDonalds" broke. Truly sad

I would say that IF it is financially sensible to pay an employee $17 an hour then that is fine.
If he is going to start out every kid working at Chic-Fil-A at $17 an hour...that's just dumb.

I will say this...that restaurant has a LOT of biz here in Vegas.

They opened the first one here about a year and a half ago.

They had to have police on the scene directing traffic.

I go to the one that they built about 6 months ago on Rancho and Sahara. It ALWAYS has cars backed up in both drive-thru lanes and they have teens out there taking orders on digital pads because it's too much for the drive-thru speakers to be able to get done in a timely manner.
They also have a kiosk set up outdoors to pay and then you pull up to the window and they hand you your food.

It's all teenagers or people in their early 20's working there by the way. At least the people who are in contact with the public are all very young people.

Not sure if you would want to pay a kid $17 an hour to stand outside in the drive-thru lane and use his touchscreen pad for your Chic-fil-a sandwich and large sweet tea though. lol

Here is the story I was reading. It is from a year ago so things have changed some, but it isn't just that these lower paying jobs are being held by older people, it is that these are the kinds of jobs being created.

Older people continuing to work adds to the problem because it makes the pyramid top heavy with less room for people at the bottom in these starter jobs to move up. My friend's dad intended to retire in 2010 at the age of 64. In 2008 the recession destroyed his retirement account so now he finds himself 72 and still working. He will likely retire in two years at 74.

As I have said, I'm not saying all this makes flipping burgers at McDonald's worth $15/hr but it explains why older people are staying at these lower paying jobs longer because it is getting harder and harder to move up the ladder.

The story I read about the Chick Fil A place said that the owner of it was basically changing his way of thinking. His theory was instead of just hiring whoever he could for minimum wage or just above, he would pay more and try to find workers who would be professional and stay around longer so he didn't have the added expense of constantly hiring people. I don't know if it is going to work for him, but it is an interesting idea.

It makes perfect sense. BUT...you don't just START people off at $17 an hour. Jesus...how the hell do you know if they are any good or not?

I'd hire them, and then give it some time and see if they are good and productive or not.
Of course if you get employees who really get into the job and show up early, leave late, kick ass at the job...then you want to keep those people. They have value, they deserve a raise.

You go and hire everybody and START them at $17 an hour? WTF? How do you ever reward those people over time? Give them a raise? No way you could afford to. Especially when you consider that as an employer you have to pay in matching funds on their FICA taxes.

None of the math makes sense. But I could definitely see "promoting" and giving a raise to exceptional employees. Even at fast food. But just starting every person at $17 an hour? That's insane.

That's not necessarily the only reason that older people are working. There's no way in hell that I'll "retire" at 65. I'd probably just curl up and die with nothing to do.

My grandfather owned a lot of citrus in Florida. He worked every day until he died at 91 years old. He LOVED working.
My dad will be 78 years old this year. He gets up every morning and picks up the workers at the groves he owns and works in the groves and pastures he owns all day. Gets in at 6:30 p.m just like he did in the 1960's up until now.
He likes going to work.

Most older people I've ever known didn't like NOT working. Going to work gives you purpose and even a social life.

I think more people are out working mostly because they CAN. People are living longer and are healthier in their old age.

The economy is booming right now. And GOOD jobs are available. Including manufacturing jobs.
So if younger people in their 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's have any skills at all...they can get damn good paying jobs.

I guess my whole problem with this $15 an hour minimum wage thing is...it will take away entry level jobs.
Places like McDonalds, KFC, etc. have always hired young people. And sponsored local baseball and football and summer camps for kids. It was great P.R. for them and also provided a place for young people to get their first jobs.

This is changing that.
It's not a good thing.

The best part is kids think fast food is below them. My kid - who has never had a job - refuses to work fast food. Well, two weeks after graduation... no job. LOL. Suddenly nothing is "below" my kid....

that is the problem with kids today. They are handed nice phones, TVs, and things. When I was 13 I got my first job and took out a loan for a $1000 home stereo. I've had a job ever since then and I've bought every car I've driven. In high school, I paid for most of my own clothes cause I wanted name brand stuff and my single mom couldn't afford it.

I have no idea how he is doing today, but I am assuming it is pretty good. I think it is safe to say with the sites he owned back in their prime he easily eclipsed the millionaire title.

Damn, I am so glad I have that troll on ignore.
But reading what you quoted him saying...I'll just skip over his insults to me and address the stupidity of what he said.

I pretty clearly stated that McDonald's ALWAYS makes their money. Doesn't hurt their corporation one bit UNLESS sales go down.

It's the local franchise owner who loses all of his profitability with unrealistic wages for unskilled labor.

As the former McDonald's president said:
Average McDonald's franchise sales are about 2 and half million dollars a year. After paying for all the food, employees salarys, taxes, matching funds for employee fica taxes, electric bill, and all the other bills that come with owning a business...they end up at the end of the year with a little more than $150,000 in profit for the business.

NO, that doesn't mean the franchise owner only made $150,000 for the year. Because he better be paying himself a six figure salary as the owner.
But what it does mean is the company he owns as the franchise owner only profits about $150,000 for the year.

That is profit that the owner can stick in his pocket, or use to invest more in his store, or invest in other ventures. Or whatever he wants to do with it.

As the guy said: Raise the minimum wage to $15 and hour and you effectively wipe out that profit.

So what happens is...they raise prices as much as they can (which they have definitely done). And then you reach a point where customers won't pay your asking price for a Big Mac anymore and you start losing money.

Now McDonalds corporate is going to get pissed and you become a money losing store and in danger of losing your franchise.

So...you start automating and regain your sales and profitability.

But the down side for the employees is...they are out of a job.

And that is what is about to happen...it's already starting.

2018 15 dollars would be the bottom. Again you try living on 15 and tell me how its big money. lol

spewing hate just to spew hate.

Tony...you start at the bottom and work your way up.
Nobody says to live on minimum wage.

Instead they will now have NO jobs.
THAT is the unintended consequence of your bleeding heart argument.

As my great grandmother used to say:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Again try to live on 15 bucks an hour in a major metropolitan city and tell me its big money or even good money. Wages have been so screwed up and low for so long, its just accepted as correct.

I see factory jobs start at $12 an hour, like its a big deal. When I started at a factory job in the 1980's I started at $11 an hour. lol Back it actually was enough to have an apartment, a car and a ilfe.

Dude the world has changed. I know you think Im lying because I lie to you all the time. I dont see kids at fast food places. I see people in their twenties,thirties and grey hairs. Also in 2018 $15 an hour is the bottom. Try and live in vegas or atlanta on that, forget NYC. Also if you think automation wouldn't come in because of low wages, you are kidding yourself. In supermarkets , they have been replacing cashiers with automation for years. So your argument doesnt work because they have been pay shit for years and that didnt stop the automation. But believe what your told, thats what they want.

Also receptionists were replaced years ago. Automation will come regardless of what they are paid and you will be paying for all these people who cant find work or cant make enough to put food on the table. But the wage wont go up, so they win and laugh at you.

The world has passed him by facts & reality are his enemy. Sad

Wasn't there are SEATTLE statistic re the effects of high minimum wage?