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dyna mo 07-10-2018 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302174)
They got the last 4 kids out and the coach. Pretty amazing they all survived that, but I wonder if they will try to charge the coach over it all specially being a diver died in the rescue.

exactly. that coach is far from off the hook in spite of what thommy exclaims.

crockett 07-10-2018 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22302182)
exactly. that coach is far from off the hook in spite of what thommy exclaims.

It probably will have a lot to do with public support or outrage over there. In this country, yes they'd try to hang him because someone "always" has to be blamed here. Over there it might be different due to it being a different culture.

They might be a lot more forgiving then people are here, specially being the coach kept the kids alive in there for 9 days and didn't take any food for himself but saved it for the kids.

He made a mistake, but after they were there it's 100% sure those kids wouldn't have lived with out him, so he might be looked at as a villain but also maybe a hero. Here he would be charged with out a doubt because someone always has to be blamed..

Bladewire 07-10-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302193)
It probably will have a lot to do with public support or outrage over there. In this country, yes they'd try to hang him because someone "always" has to be blamed here. Over there it might be different due to it being a different culture.

They might be a lot more forgiving then people are here, specially being the coach kept the kids alive in there for 9 days and didn't take any food for himself but saved it for the kids.

He made a mistake, but after they were there it's 100% sure those kids wouldn't have lived with out him, so he might be looked at as a villain but also maybe a hero. Here he would be charged with out a doubt because someone always has to be blamed..

The coach made that town famous worldwide for a week and showcased their ability to do the impossible, plus the coach taught the boys to meditate in the cave, which slows the metabolism, he kept them alive by doing that. He's young too, they might be more forgiving, he is only 25.

crockett 07-10-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22302198)
The coach made that town famous worldwide for a week and showcased their ability to do the impossible, plus the coach taught the boys to meditate in the cave, which slows the metabolism, he kept them alive by doing that. He's young too, they might be more forgiving.

I think it will all come down to what the public thinks about him. It could go either way at this point. Their govt can be very strict on some stuff but then forgiving on others.

dyna mo 07-10-2018 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302193)
It probably will have a lot to do with public support or outrage over there. In this country, yes they'd try to hang him because someone "always" has to be blamed here. Over there it might be different due to it being a different culture.

They might be a lot more forgiving then people are here, specially being the coach kept the kids alive in there for 9 days and didn't take any food for himself but saved it for the kids.

He made a mistake, but after they were there it's 100% sure those kids wouldn't have lived with out him, so he might be looked at as a villain but also maybe a hero. Here he would be charged with out a doubt because someone always has to be blamed..

we're a nation of laws, it's not about having to blame someone for something.

the simple facts remain, the coach is not off the hook regardless of how many think he's a hero or not. someone died, millions of money was spent on rescue,etc. the sign may state the rain starts july 1 but the weather obviously did not read the sign. If I were in charge of things, I certainly would not have led that group into that cave just days before July 1 and I would have checked the weather first. it's not like it's hard to get the day's forecast.

Bladewire 07-10-2018 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302202)
I think it will all come down to what the public thinks about him. It could go either way at this point. Their govt can be very strict on some stuff but then forgiving on others.

True.

A man died because of him. He's going to carry that guilt the rest of his life.

crockett 07-10-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22302204)
we're a nation of laws, it's not about having to blame someone for something.

the simple facts remain, the coach is not off the hook regardless of how many think he's a hero or not. someone died, millions of money was spent on rescue,etc. the sign may state the rain starts july 1 but the weather obviously did not read the sign. If I were in charge of things, I certainly would not have led that group into that cave just days before July 1 and I would have checked the weather first. it's not like it's hard to get the day's forecast.

Yes, but people do dumb things and also lack of education about the situation could be a issue as well. Example, previously as someone who lived in FL most of my life I never really under stood how a flash flood could happen.

Here in FL, it can rain for days and days but you see very little flooding. The reason is we have lots of sand and that sand lets the water soak into the ground very fast, added to that lots of rivers and lakes ect. Meaning it has to rain a literal shit load like a hurricane or something to get any serious flooding here in FL.

Due to this, I never really understood how fast you can get flash flooding in places out west in what I'd consider a small amount of rain. The reason being, it's a lot of rock out there so the water can't soak in fast and builds up quickly.

It could have been something as simple as that, lack of experience/knowledge. Perhaps they didn't understand the actual danger due to not living in that area. Then again, maybe he's just a dumb local and ignored the danger as well.

dyna mo 07-10-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302233)
Yes, but people do dumb things and also lack of education about the situation could be a issue as well. Example, previously as someone who lived in FL most of my life I never really under stood how a flash flood could happen.

Here in FL, it can rain for days and days but you see very little flooding. The reason is we have lots of sand and that sand lets the water soak into the ground very fast, added to that lots of rivers and lakes ect. Meaning it has to rain a literal shit load like a hurricane or something to get any serious flooding here in FL.

Due to this, I never really understood how fast you can get flash flooding in places out west in what I'd consider a small amount of rain. The reason being, it's a lot of rock out there so the water can't soak in fast and builds up quickly.

It could have been something as simple as that, lack of experience/knowledge. Perhaps they didn't understand the actual danger due to not living in that area. Then again, maybe he's just a dumb local and ignored the danger as well.

by all accounts the coach seems like an all around good guy. Perhaps he couldn't read the sign properly or was unaware of flash flooding in a region that has a history of it.

and yes, dumb things happen some times, i get that. nevertheless, the coach is far from off the hook, regardless of the sign or his not knowing what a flash flood is or how many people think he is a zero or a hero.

Bladewire 07-10-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302233)
Yes, but people do dumb things and also lack of education about the situation could be a issue as well. Example, previously as someone who lived in FL most of my life I never really under stood how a flash flood could happen.

Here in FL, it can rain for days and days but you see very little flooding. The reason is we have lots of sand and that sand lets the water soak into the ground very fast, added to that lots of rivers and lakes ect. Meaning it has to rain a literal shit load like a hurricane or something to get any serious flooding here in FL.

Due to this, I never really understood how fast you can get flash flooding in places out west in what I'd consider a small amount of rain. The reason being, it's a lot of rock out there so the water can't soak in fast and builds up quickly.

It could have been something as simple as that, lack of experience/knowledge. Perhaps they didn't understand the actual danger due to not living in that area. Then again, maybe he's just a dumb local and ignored the danger as well.

Just on the news, the town is turning the cave into a tourist destination. They're going to jackhammer open the small dangerous parts. They're also taking the uniforms the trapped boys wore and putting them in a museum.

I'd actually go-to Thailand to take that cave tour , during the non rainy season :)

thommy 07-10-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22302202)
I think it will all come down to what the public thinks about him. It could go either way at this point. Their govt can be very strict on some stuff but then forgiving on others.

the whole society is behind him. nobody will touch him and in fact he did not do anything wrong.
IF there is somebody to blame than the ones who knew about the danger and let the cave open. it would cost 10 dollars of dynamite to close the entry or even a door would do.

instead of securing the cave so that no one can enter, a warning sign has been placed that the cave is dangerous from July on.
but even July still has a lot of leeway and those who live in the area know that the big monsoon rains usually start in august or september.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/10/asia/thai-soccer-coach-intl/index.html

this is how the whole country thinks here and they are also thankful to all helpers from all over the world who came here and risked their life for them.

i really love these people and how they handle such cases. this people live so close together and especially in the worst times they are a big family and protect each other.

even when most of us are much much better educated - we can learn a lot from them.


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