They're overpriced in my opinion. I was getting into motorcycles and looking to get one and when I saw the prices I was like fuck that I'll likely end up crashing it anyway. If most newcomers into cycling had the same reaction you can see why sales are low with the current cost of motorcycles. An engine & 2 wheels for $10k on the low end? Fuck that

He already found a replacement for HD!!!!!!!
 

He found someone to replace HD at only twice their price :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.gogogreen.net/wp-content/...pare-parts.jpg

There's a lot of baby boomers getting too old and selling their bikes too. I don't ride but a lot of my friends a buying up second hand bikes for next to nothing, sometimes in almost new condition. That must be eating into new sales as well.

Actually, its not even this.. There are loads of young guys or mid aged people that ride non crotch rockets but they want custom looking bikes. They want stuff like choppers inc made or custom looking bobbers or cafe racers.

HD has failed to innovate.. they build the same plain jane looking bike that they've built for years.. No one wants big ass bikes with full fairings and suitcases on the sides.. Thats like trying to sell a station wagon to a 20 year old..

Sportsters and others like it, are "lady" bikes :helpme :thumbsup

The local dealer here, must have about 10 Deckers unsold at this time of year. Upper 20's to 30ish USED. They all have "make an offer on them", they gotta dump em, new ones are coming out soon. :Oh crap

Does anyone think electric will get any traction? Only being able to ride a few hours and then recharge seems like a pain in the ass but I don’t ride so no idea.

Trump promised to help them, but instead he made it harder for them. Stop defending him.


No you don't.

Not a good thing. This means less money for infrastructure and government services, and it means more of your taxes goes towards paying off the debt, and the interest on the debt.


No you didn't.


Yes it has.


That's right.


How is it resolved? If anything the costs are now even higher. You have to care for kids in jail oops sorry immigration camps, have more legal battles to deal with, transport immigrants everywhere, deal with bad publicity, etc. He hasn't fixed it he's made it worse.


Not true. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...um-claims.html

Except that's not. People could be fleeing violence or persecution. Fleeing their country for the US may be their last chance. If you turn them away, they would and should try to enter again.

He totally made it worse.

And of course, we are over simplifying things here - illegal immigration is a huge problem for any country. Labeling these poor people as an "infestation" like he did recently is not the answer.

We were losing our major corporations to tax havens. Also vast sums of money were being kept out of the country for tax reasons. This also effects our tax rolls. We have some of the lowest taxes for personal taxes in the industrialized world. We are not over taxed as Trump claims.

I misunderstood the Third Country agreement. But we could strike this up with Mexico.

The US has weird asylum laws. It is slow and painful. Congress needs foam ctuslly act at some point. It can not just keep pushing it down the road. The idea of not letting people get legal and making it easier to stay here at the same time is also a form of abuse.

I totally get that Trump screwed this up. My thought is maybe it is time, the US looked at this and made some real resolutions.

Yes. I've never been interested in bikes until I saw HD's Electric Bike. My problem with Harley Davidson is that they are too loud and consume too much gas, and smell pretty damn bad. (Yes, I get that the low rumbling fart noise they make is a part of its appeal to some, but so what - there is nothing more idiotic than revving the engine while stopped). Harley Davidson's electric bike to me is, is a piece of modern, smart engineering.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/harley-...tion-1.3782993

Yum!

we are talking here from 3 different things when it comes up to imigration.

1. there are LEGAL immigrants what would not be in no country except the country calls them because they need them.

2. Illegal immigrants - what is indeed a problem but also they would not be in masses in a country if there would not be need for them too. you can not replace housemaids, gardeners and really low skilled and underpaid workers with US citizens because they would not do this jobs.

3. Refugees that flees from their countries because of war. here the US could do a lot to prevent that by stopping senseless wars and not heat them on or dropping bombs on civilians. but this problem you do not face in US because you are too far for them. this problem goes to Europe.

the idea of a global economy is totally different as trump´s idea of that.
there is no doubt that the world economy went´s up a lot after WW2 and this was a consequence of the abolition of trade restrictions. if these trade restrictions are reintroduced, it is only logical that the global economy is moving in the other direction again.

if you look at where the USA exports to today and at what level you will notice that exactly these countries which trump describes as competition are today the largest trading partners with constant growth. If you take the income from these partners, they are also gone as buyers.

the growth markets today are in regions where there are many people with small incomes who cannot pay the price of a product produced with highly paid americans.
but they are buying masses.

the idea of globalization is to exploit this advantage of cheap wages. with other words: you import raw materials and partially manufactured products CHEAP into the USA - refine them there or give them the fine-tuning and export them back to exactly this kind of countries. but other industrialized countries also like to take advantage if the price is right.furthermore, you also give your own people the opportunity to be able to buy cheaper and thus create more prosperity.

trump has not understood this eternal cycle. in his world, commerce is a game in which one has to win and the other has to lose - exactly the same way he has run his own business and thus driven many suppliers and partners into bankruptcy.
he doesn't consider that the one who takes money from him today is the same one who brings it back tomorrow.

in a worldwide economic system there can't be any winners or losers because that's like the monopoly where at the end one has everything and nobody can buy anything from him anymore because he has nothing left.

that the US economy is not doing well has completely different reasons. especially the fact that the US has artificially built prosperity with borrowed money for decades. people should have been told back then that this money has to be repaid one day and that it costs interest.

the entire health and education system in america has never been taken into account. those who are ill do not receive any help from the state to get better and those who are insured should remain ill to buy drugs that are overpriced by the pharmaceutical industry for as long as possible. old-age provision is closely linked to the economy and those who are old can only hope that they will not be in a crisis.

america has by far the highest number of prison inmates in the world. this is also due to the antisocial education system. these prisoners not only cost the state vast amounts of money but are also imprisoned in private institutions whose greatest interest is that they either stay for life or return as quickly as possible instead of being reintegrated into society.

but last but not least, it is military spending that is driving the deficit so high.
without military spending, the state budget would have been reorganized.
what trump wants from the world is to blackmail profits that lead to the construction of weapons and the expansion of the military apparatus that can ultimately be used against the countries that financed it.

america still lives in the cold war and has never learned to build a healthy economy in a peaceful world that benefits the citizen. now is the time to learn this lesson or the whole world will go to hell.