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dyna mo 07-12-2018 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22303271)
Dollar for dollar spent, Germany gets more control over Russia from NordStream than anything they spend on NATO, money talks..

from the linked article:

"the German market is the largest buyer of Gazprom’s exports, accounting for 27 percent of Gazprom’s European exports. The loss of customers in Germany would cripple both the company and Moscow’s budget."

Gas on, gas off.. Putty be good.

plenty of info on Gazprom being a ruskie geopolitical weapon.

https://www.ft.com/content/1bb6bd4a-...c-6e7d9515ad15
Russia plays geopolitical Gazprom game

Gazprom has long been a key component of Russia's political setup—energy exports are the only real source of hard currency revenue for Russia. Stability in this big country, and therefore the political survival of the current political elite, depends mainly on a steady flow of cash that enables them to throw money at problems and buy the loyalty of crucial stakeholder groups, not least the military. Thus, the success of Gazprom's business model is a must for Putin and his team.
Russia's Geopolitical Gazprom Blunder - Carnegie Europe - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

slapass 07-12-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303353)
you seem to not realize the reciprocal is true. Ruskies control the gas, not germs. Germs contracted to buy 100s of billions of cubic feet of ruskie gas each year for 25 years.

So the US is controlled by OPEC. We are puppets. All of us dance to their song!

Or it is jut how it looks and countries trade with each other. Selling stuff they have a lot of for stuff they don’t.

slapass 07-12-2018 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22303555)
What Trump said was what needed to be said.

1) You don't fulfill your NATO obligations
2) You send BILLIONS to Russia
3) You want protection FROM Russia
4) We pay much of your bill for you
5) To make everything worse, we have a $150,000,000,000.00 annual trade deficit with those same countries

6) So... it's time to square things up and cut the bullshit.

This is not a new discussion. This is an old discussion. These things are said every fucking year by every sitting President. The difference is that FINALLY there is someone who will lay down the law and act, rather than use the experience for photo ops where nothing happens later and if anything, the situation worsens.

It's downright comical to watch a desperate crowd being called out on their bullshit selfish behavior and then see the entire news cycle filled with arguments about fractions and percentages and "Germanys renewable energy" etc etc. rather than the actual points which were made.



BEST OF ALL???

The Left NOW supports pipelines.

Let's have a big round of applause for all the upcoming oil and gas development that will be happening because you finally saw the light and understand that energy needs are a necessity, not a luxury.

Oh.... and let's not forget how long Germany waited to say anything at all about Russia invading the Ukraine. They only did it after intense pressure from the international community. So the other fake narrative about "Germany leading the way against sanctions against Russia" is also pure bullshit. Germany and their ex-Stasi leader and with all their RosNeft ties did nothing at all, said nothing at all for as long as possible.

For years and years we did not want Europe to re-arm. You are rewriting history since Obama brought it up a few years ago.

2MuchMark 07-12-2018 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22303232)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ian-gas-219000

on point article, including the criticism of the project, which i absolutely share

i just have little hope that a voice of reason has a chance nowadays, it seems so much more fun being outraged and throw insults.

Nice find Stefan!

dyna mo 07-12-2018 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303610)
So the US is controlled by OPEC. We are puppets. All of us dance to their song!

Or it is jut how it looks and countries trade with each other. Selling stuff they have a lot of for stuff they don’t.

No, it's not just how it looks and no, the US is not controlled by OPEC. In fact, we are about the be the #1 oil producer on the planet.

Fact: trump called SA this week and "suggested" they increase supply. Guess what, SA increased supply. SA leads OPEC.

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DraX 07-12-2018 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22303588)
Here is our 'leader', representing the EU while being drunk during the meeting.



Who elected that guy? Kissing and grabbing man.

Crooked leaders bathing in European tax money, "you're fired" comes to mind.

Bladewire 07-12-2018 02:50 PM

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Sarn 07-12-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303610)
So the US is controlled by OPEC. We are puppets. All of us dance to their song!
...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


directfiesta 07-12-2018 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303615)
No, it's not just how it looks and no, the US is not controlled by OPEC. In fact, we are about the be the #1 oil producer on the planet.

Fact: trump called SA this week and "suggested" they increase supply. Guess what, SA increased supply. SA leads OPEC.

yep, and Putin is very very happy .....

TheSquealer 07-12-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22303691)
yep, and Putin is very very happy .....

Uhm.. yeah, Russias leader, Putin ... leading a country which only pulled itself out of the financial abyss and survived at all through the 2000s due entirely to skyrocketing oil prices for over a decade and who is running an economy of which is largely dependent on oil and gas exports is super happy to see Trump start shitting on Russias largest EU customers and for calling SA and asking them to increase production to reduce gas prices.

Sounds legit.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 07-12-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22303691)
yep, and Putin is very very happy .....

Why would he be happy about that?

TheSquealer 07-12-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303712)
Why would he be happy about that?

its comical what politics has become now. A bunch of hyper-emotional twits responding to everything with "hate trump" and then figure out why after the fact. they never know what they're arguing for or against from one minute to the next. when thats the MO, these kinds of mistakes are bound to happen often as we're seeing :)

dyna mo 07-12-2018 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22303718)
its comical what politics has become now. A bunch of hyper-emotional twits responding to everything with "hate trump" and then figure out why after the fact. they never know what they're arguing for or against from one minute to the next. when thats the MO, these kinds of mistakes are bound to happen often as we're seeing :)



i bitch slapped mrbaldbastard with several (many) links to disprove his wild ass exclamation (with no supporting evidence at all) he made about germany controlling russia/putin via nord stream in the other germs thread, his reply:

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22303319)
you might want to do some factual research for once.


dyna mo 07-12-2018 05:41 PM

the best though is watching dumb hateful thommy get even dumber and more hateful when I point out how dumb and hateful he is.

slapass 07-12-2018 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303615)
No, it's not just how it looks and no, the US is not controlled by OPEC. In fact, we are about the be the #1 oil producer on the planet.

Fact: trump called SA this week and "suggested" they increase supply. Guess what, SA increased supply. SA leads OPEC.

Dude, you are delusional. We still import more oil then Germany does natural gas as a percent.

Btw, Trump just thinks he looks smart promoting LNG. He does not know that we had some steel mills opening because of our cheap Natural gas made it possible. But go ahead and export it, we don’t want thst industry or those jobs. We have an idiot out there and it shows. He is bound to do some good and some bad as he is pretty much just random.

He does not know why he wants 2%. He has no plan. He did not even know what 2%was a few months ago. Liberals are just against anything he does but I would be all for pulling out of NATO. Why not? Close our Europe bases. Do less in the U.N. front. We don’t win those wars, it is just to keep combat hardened troops and test weaponry.

TheSquealer 07-12-2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303746)
He did not even know what 2%was a few months ago.

He made this one of his main points in his campaign. He has been talking about the need to get this stuff under control for years. Same with the UN which has not once, ever done anything to fulfill its stated mandate. It's basically an aid organization and a platform for dictators to get attention before the world.

BTW.. i'm with you. I am 100% for walking away from NATO and also the UN.

dyna mo 07-12-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303746)
Dude, you are delusional. We still import more oil then Germany does natural gas as a percent.

Btw, Trump just thinks he looks smart promoting LNG. He does not know that we had some steel mills opening because of our cheap Natural gas made it possible. But go ahead and export it, we don’t want thst industry or those jobs. We have an idiot out there and it shows. He is bound to do some good and some bad as he is pretty much just random.

He does not know why he wants 2%. He has no plan. He did not even know what 2%was a few months ago. Liberals are just against anything he does but I would be all for pulling out of NATO. Why not? Close our Europe bases. Do less in the U.N. front. We don’t win those wars, it is just to keep combat hardened troops and test weaponry.

what am I delusional about? still waiting on you telling me what my narrative is too.

I couldn't care less about your trump gibberish.

dyna mo 07-12-2018 06:23 PM

I hope you're going to declare I'm delusional about USA becoming the world's biggest oil producer........................

dyna mo 07-12-2018 06:39 PM

a little teaser for what's coming up for slapass

"The United States will overtake Russia as the world’s biggest oil producer by 2019 at the latest, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Tuesday."

dyna mo 07-12-2018 06:49 PM

so much for slapass having a nutsack to back up his bullshit drive-by insults.

dyna mo 07-12-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303610)
So the US is controlled by OPEC.

"The soaring U.S. production is upending global oil markets, coming at a time when other major producers - including Russia and members of the Middle East-dominated Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) - have been withholding output to prop up prices.

U.S. oil is also increasingly being exported, including to the world’s biggest and fastest growing markets in Asia, eating away at OPEC and Russian market share."


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thommy 07-12-2018 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303610)
So the US is controlled by OPEC. We are puppets. All of us dance to their song!

Or it is jut how it looks and countries trade with each other. Selling stuff they have a lot of for stuff they don’t.

THIS !!!!

it does not enter their empty heads that trade is a thing between companies.
and trade have to do with competition and pricing

that´s the big lack of trump´s idea too and the bill for that missing knowledge will be paid by tax payers all around the world but mostly from amercians.

the world does not stop to spin just because trump is farting. every da new connections
and trades are coming up and the world is not waiting til US wakes up.

these new connections and trading contracts will be still stable when trump is gone.

In regards to NATO germany´s ex-foreign minister Gabriel said it yesterday perfectly:

"If he is demanding billions back from us for US military expenditure, then we must demand billions back from him that we must spend on the refugees who have produced failed US military interventions, for example in Iraq."

this is exactly the point.
europe would not have such a refugee crisis without all this US military spendings.

on the other hand, all these trouble spots are produced just so the US taxpayers think they need more weapons and are willing to pay it.

and what exactly besides poverty and refugees was achieved with it?

It's so ridiculous that there are people who are not only stupid enough to believe this bullshit, but are even stupid enough to pay for being that stupid.

thommy 07-12-2018 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22303746)
I would be all for pulling out of NATO. Why not? Close our Europe bases. Do less in the U.N. front. We don’t win those wars, it is just to keep combat hardened troops and test weaponry.

correct - but you forget the fact that weapons and war is a typical americxan export good and a big part of your economy.

if someone would change THAT FACT there would be a chance for america´s future.

the current outlook is simple and visible to everyone. in 10 or 20 years the US will be so heavily in debt that even the next 100 generations will not be able to pay this mountain of debt back.

a great legacy to leave your descendants there.

thommy 07-12-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303615)
No, it's not just how it looks and no, the US is not controlled by OPEC. In fact, we are about the be the #1 oil producer on the planet.

Fact: trump called SA this week and "suggested" they increase supply. Guess what, SA increased supply. SA leads OPEC.

You are by far the dumbest clown here.

america may be the number 1 oil consumer but not the number 1 producer. oil production in the USA amounts to 540 million barrels per year. in contrast, your consumption is 870 million barrels. so what you consume more than you produce covers more than half of the total saudi oil production.

but you are undoubtedly number one in the world in the production of greenhouse gases and environmental damage.

Tasty1 07-12-2018 10:28 PM

Thanks Merkel!

- Poluting the world for building more cars with fraudulent emmission software and use Paris Climate as toilet paper.
- Forcing out the USA of Nato cause the USA have enough of protecting against Russia.
- Germany having a big mouth about Ukrain, but doing nothing and financing/helping Russia.
- Germany undermining the sanctions against Russia for intervering in USA elections (still not proven)
- Don't care about poisoned people in the UK by Russia
- Don't care about MH17 where Russia shot down a Plane that killed 298 people, 193 Dutch.
- Don't care about other EU countries opinion about the pipeline, trade uber alles
- Forcing allies like danmark to choose between USA, Russia/Germany. and EU countries that are against the pipeline and that way divide countries.
- Gerard Schroder the former leader of Germany is already in Putin's pockets filling his pockets. Merkel will be offered a great job also.
- Saying "wir schaffen das" and now trying to force the people that came to Germany back to the countries they first entered, making Germans promise, their problem.
- Allowing refugee taxi services to operate so smugglers made big money for years and people drowning for the coast of EU. While everyone that was smarter already told 4 years ago that refugee taxi where a part of the drowning problem.

It could be a German / Russian strategy to make a Europe 3.0 by putting the protection of the USA aside and divide the EU.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...ukraine-crisis

What i predecit is that Merkel's policy will divide the EU further and the EU will get in another crisis. And all that for the car industry. The new choosen leaders stopped already listening to the EU, made walls, sent back refugee taxi services, don't let in immigrants. They give EU the finger, because Germany also gives other countries the finger.

Merkel is paving the way for more extreme political leaders around Europe cause they are the only one that dare to go against the EU and German strangulations. Trump showed that the EU leaders condem Russia for all; some boycot the Worldcup, Russia has made Trump president, Russia will influence Brexit, Fear of Russia involved in Dutch/English/EU country elections etcetra. And making the whole EU afraid of the big bad Russia. While in the meantime ex political leaders like Gerard Schroder banking on Russia. Trump is tired of it and now more people see this strange EU policy. Financing enemies. Or are the Russians not our enemy? We know now Putin and Merkel are big buddies.

And still people keep wondering why people are voting more right and are against the EU 3.0 ....

I just wrote down some arguments. Not all arguments i support, but that are living in the EU so you see other view points.

astronaut x 07-12-2018 10:29 PM

bla bla bla ....trump politics bla bla bla

Tasty1 07-12-2018 11:07 PM

And i almost forgot the new German import tarifs. Oh sorry. They don't call them import tarrifs. It is called "Toll Roads". Making everything more expensive for you, the consumer. It will make Germany about 7 billion extra income. And the EU consumer will pay for it. There was 2300 kilomter of tollraods in Germany, now that is 39.000 kilometer since July 2, 2018

Several countries already went to European court for it. But than Germany change some letters in the plans and keep going on.

Thanks Merkel, the Trump of Europe

Sarn 07-13-2018 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22303849)
...
In regards to NATO germany´s ex-foreign minister Gabriel said it yesterday perfectly:

"If he is demanding billions back from us for US military expenditure, then we must demand billions back from him that we must spend on the refugees who have produced failed US military interventions, for example in Iraq."

this is exactly the point.
europe would not have such a refugee crisis without all this US military spendings.
...

USA have interest on flood EU by Muslims and Gulf monarchy too. It gives many problems on centuries in Europe ahead.

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22303873)
...
It could be a German / Russian strategy to make a Europe 3.0 by putting the protection of the USA aside and divide the EU.
...

the moment of truth is not so far away :1orglaugh EU will be dependent from Germany and not be divided.

President Trump’s next two summits, first with NATO allies in Brussels, then with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland, will either restore American global leadership or kill it off, depending on how he plays our hand.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/o...to-russia.html

https://24tv.ua/resources/photos/new...g?201711212119

Sarn 07-13-2018 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 22303767)
I hope you're going to declare I'm delusional about USA becoming the world's biggest oil producer........................

:1orglaugh

Why the U.S. Is Buying Natural Gas From Russia
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-quicktake-q-a

dyna mo 07-13-2018 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22303856)
You are by far the dumbest clown here.

america may be the number 1 oil consumer but not the number 1 producer. oil production in the USA amounts to 540 million barrels per year. in contrast, your consumption is 870 million barrels. so what you consume more than you produce covers more than half of the total saudi oil production.

but you are undoubtedly number one in the world in the production of greenhouse gases and environmental damage.

once again, it's ridiculously easy to prove thommy wrong.

U.S. to overtake Russia as top oil producer by 2019 at latest: IEA
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1GB0C6

eat shit. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 07-13-2018 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22303856)
You are by far the dumbest clown here.

america may be the number 1 oil consumer but not the number 1 producer. oil production in the USA amounts to 540 million barrels per year. in contrast, your consumption is 870 million barrels. so what you consume more than you produce covers more than half of the total saudi oil production.

but you are undoubtedly number one in the world in the production of greenhouse gases and environmental damage.

once again, it's ridiculously easy to show how dumb thommy is

China is the #1 in greenhouse gases, eu almost equals USA.
This Interactive Chart Explains World?s Top 10 Emitters, and How They?ve Changed | World Resources Institute

eat shit. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 07-13-2018 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22303850)
correct - but you forget the fact that weapons and war is a typical americxan export good and a big part of your economy.

if someone would change THAT FACT there would be a chance for america´s future.

the current outlook is simple and visible to everyone. in 10 or 20 years the US will be so heavily in debt that even the next 100 generations will not be able to pay this mountain of debt back.

a great legacy to leave your descendants there.

once again, it's ridiculously easy to show how dumb thommy is.

Weapons aren't even in the top 10 USA exports.

America’s top export products are refined petroleum oils followed by cars, automotive parts and accessories, electronic integrated circuits then mobile phones.

Machinery including computers: US$201.7 billion (13% of total exports)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $174.2 billion (11.3%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $138 billion (8.9%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $131.2 billion (8.5%)
Vehicles: $130.1 billion (8.4%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $83.6 billion (5.4%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $61.5 billion (4%)
Gems, precious metals: $60.4 billion (3.9%)
Pharmaceuticals: $45.1 billion (2.9%)
Organic chemicals: $36.2 billion (2.3%)

United States Top 10 Exports

eat shit. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 07-13-2018 06:28 AM

if thommy were a decent human being and not so hateful, I'd feel bad about how dumb he is.

Grapesoda 07-13-2018 06:50 AM

[QUOTE=StefanG;22303232

it seems so much more fun being outraged and throw insults.[/QUOTE]

that's you in spades bro, hard to respect that's for sure :2 cents:

TheSquealer 07-13-2018 08:56 AM

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