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just a punk 08-20-2018 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22323742)
A republic would imply more than one person running so it was not a Republic.
And which exactly one person was ruling the USSR?

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 22323742)
The US is mostly a Republic but certainly on local levels we have true democracy and even occasionally on the national level. It is hybrid.
Yes, it had a lot from democracy... As I mentioned it before, slavery was a normal thing for a pure democracy (a power of white majority over colored minority).

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slapass 08-20-2018 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22323877)
And which exactly one person was ruling the USSR?



Yes, it had a lot from democracy... As I mentioned it before, slavery was a normal thing for a pure democracy (a power of white majority over colored minority).

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This what you don’t get, the minority changes based on the issue. Rich versus poor, liberal versus conservative or rural versus urban. Everyone is more than just one label. So sometimes your idea wins and sometimes it loses as you vote ina representative who most reflects your values. You can win or lose on certain issues of the day.

baddog 08-21-2018 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22323302)
Let's base it on 2016 election numbers. This means a candidate is going to need around 66 million votes to win. A person would have to win 100% of the vote from the 9 most heavily populated states in the nation to get to 66 million votes. There is no way that will ever happen considering that half those states are red, half are blue and a couple are tossup states. At best a person could hope to get 50% of the vote spread out across those states, but lets say they managed to get 60%. That would be around 40 million votes. they still need another 26 million to win.

Both candidates will be forced to campaign around the country to get votes. Focusing just on the top four states like you proclaimed would result in a loss.
You make some pretty idiotic assumptions there.

kane 08-21-2018 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22324167)
You make some pretty idiotic assumptions there.
Please enlighten and educate me.

RedFred 08-21-2018 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22323638)
Exactly. In the true democracy it would be a reality. That's because all these cases are (ta-dam!) non-democratic ones since they are against the will of the majority. Only a constitutional republic allows that, not a democracy.
If the US wasn't a democracy you fucked up Russians wouldn't be dedicating your life to destroying it. The world knows you all hate democracies.

marlboroack 08-21-2018 10:34 AM
Fake fuckin' news dude

just a punk 08-21-2018 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22324174)
If the US wasn't a democracy
It was. We all remember the slavery in the USA. It's a pure democracy, just like in ancient Greece. The white majority (maybe your father or your grandfather) used African minority as a free labor. You have a glorious democratic history, man.

But now the USA is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. Educate yourself.

tony286 08-21-2018 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22324167)
You make some pretty idiotic assumptions there.
Watch the youtube video, its an eye opener. And not partisan, with some humor.

baddog 08-21-2018 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22324172)
Please enlighten and educate me.
As far as assumptions?
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A person would have to win 100% of the vote from the 9 most heavily populated states in the nation to get to 66 million votes.

Also you seem to assume that if a candidate does little campaigning that no one will vote for them. If that were the case, then those states that were ignored would just stay home on election day; right? So now you would only need 51% of those 9 states.

kane 08-21-2018 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22324233)
As far as assumptions?



Also you seem to assume that if a candidate does little campaigning that no one will vote for them. If that were the case, then those states that were ignored would just stay home on election day; right? So now you would only need 51% of those 9 states.
Of course the other states will vote and even candidates that didn't bother campaigning in most states would still get plenty of votes there. My point is that if you focus your efforts on a few big states with the plan being that you will gain enough votes in them to offset any votes you may lose by ignoring the other states, it is a recipe for failure.

baddog 08-21-2018 12:51 PM
50 electoral votes

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22324245)
Of course the other states will vote and even candidates that didn't bother campaigning in most states would still get plenty of votes there. My point is that if you focus your efforts on a few big states with the plan being that you will gain enough votes in them to offset any votes you may lose by ignoring the other states, it is a recipe for failure.
It would have worked for Clinton if the EC hadn't been there.

kane 08-21-2018 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22324262)
50 electoral votes



It would have worked for Clinton if the EC hadn't been there.
Do you think if Trump had campaigned in New York or Cali he would have gotten more votes in those states?


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