Yeah, you're right. Putin should have pointed his arsenal of painted rust at the USA. That would have been a brilliant move. The Russian military got their asses kicked for 4 years by a fist ful of jihadis in Chechnya armed with only small arms and no tanks, planes, artillery, armor etc against 100k Russian soldiers and the entire force of the Russian military.

It would be a shame to have watched those poor Russian soldiers have to face an actual army.... in an actual military conflict against someone armed with more than knives and AK-47s.

we blew up our own sub, what do we do?

Launch nukes at USA!


fucking piece of shit.

"The Russian Navy's final report on the disaster concluded the explosion was due to the failure of one of Kursk's hydrogen peroxide-fueled Type 65 torpedoes"

"Though the British and Norwegian navies offered assistance, Russia initially refused all help. All 118 sailors and officers aboard Kursk died."

If i recall correctly, I think the Russians first action was to deny assistance saying they were all dead anyway. Then people started tapping SOS on the hull..... for days... and days. People were pretty fucking pissed in Russia about how the government dealt with it.

Only a piece of shit ruski that weaponizes the shuttle tragedies just to insult his customer base would hysterically exclaim otherwise.

"A consortium formed by the Dutch companies Mammoet and Smit International was awarded a contract by Russia to raise the vessel, excluding the bow."

Not only did Russia sink their own sub... they didn't have the capability to raise it and had to rely on those mean NATO attackers to do it for them.

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Those poor souls. Rip.

I'm starting to remember now... once they finally relented and allowed limited help - it revolved around the Kursks "escape hatch" (subs all have them) and a special diving bell designed to attach to it to extract crew.

The Russians wouldn't let the other crews with the proper equipment anywhere near the Kursk, had to keep staging attempts to transfer it all to them so they could do it themselves... then in addition to becoming the usual Russian clusterfuck, there were issues because of all the non standard sized hatches etc... they couldn't attach it to the hatch on the Kursk and on and on it went until the SOS taps slowed down to nothing, grew more faint and finally quit.

And no, Russians were not mad at the USA. They were pissed at the ineptitude of their own government, the constant lies and the fact that they basically allowed 118 Russian sailors to die for no reason at all.

Kind of like how they assaulted the moscow theater in the Nord Ost debacle with gas to knock everyone out, then dragged out all the weak, exhausted, dehydrated and starved victims onto the street (away from the bombs) and many died on laying on the sidewalk because they didn't have the fucking brains to stage emergency services to deal with it. That was fucking sad. They actually killed all the terrorists and no bombs were detonated... and all these people died laying on the sidewalk because they didn't get proper medical attention (or any at all).

But yeah... Russia competent... America incompetent. Got it.

As a result of this thread, I did learn ruski soyez has virtually the same safety record as the space shuttle.

I hadn't bothered to crunch the numbers on that all the previous times ruski tried to attack US using the shuttle tragedies.

I'll have watch some docs on it, I'm hazy on the tragedy as well.

...or Russia did shitty job as usual at maintaining their sub, fucked up and blew their selfs out of the water..

Ever notice how everything bad that happens to Russia or any stupidity you guys do, you somehow find a way to blane it on the US...

If i recall, their first claim was that it collided with a US sub as NATO subs were monitoring their maneuvers. I vaguely remember them showing video of blue paint marks on the side of the Kursk hull (as it lay on the bottom) which they were trying to say came from another sub making contact with it.

Then other nations offered recorded auditory and other proof that it simply wasn't the case. Then they changed course to saying they might have been attacked. Then eventually they admitted the torpedo exploded. I think it was the NATO side that first made the claim that a torpedo exploded, while Russia denied every bit of it (as they always do) until they were beat into submission with evidence.

I consulted for a company that managed some of these Super Trawlers in Russia. They were commissioned by the Soviet Government and built in Spain. I think there was 16 of them in total. Soviet Union collapsed and they sat for years at the shipyard in Spain (Vigo?)

So this what a $25,000,000.00 super trawler looks like. They had 16.
http://a4.pbase.com/g6/45/767545/2/7...8.B8YQdGAC.jpg

In less than 10 years....

Here is that exact ship. I think that almost of them were burned for insurance by the Russians. It's much easier to scam an insurance company 25 Mil than to have successful fishing seasons. I know at least 7 of the 16 burned. One burned in the shipyard in Vancouver BC (the FV Stimul i think), we had 2 collisions at sea just while I was on board... one of which sank a 142' Russian trawler. There are just no words to describe how incompetent these people were.

https://delamarylosbarcos.files.word...2/dsc_0097.jpg

NOTE: they kept renaming them all and reflagging them and filing bankruptcy to get out of paying their bills and crews... which is why names, paint etc changes.

Im still trying to figure out why the Russian life saving systems dont work for their aircraft, submarines and ladas..

For rockets and aircrafts? The Russian lifesaving systems are best in the world. Just a few days ago one has saved a life of the American citizen, while the American-made shuttle would kill him with a 100% probability. Colombia and Challenger cases show it very clear.

As about submarines... I don't know about such systems for them....

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The crew of Soyuz 11 were killed after undocking from space station Salyut 1 after a three-week stay. A cabin vent valve accidentally opened at service module separation. The recovery team found three crew members dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11

There was also a parachute failure with Soyuz 1 capsule where another russian was killed.

Yes, I posted that above. We lost 3 at once and also we lost another one because of a parachute system failure. It's not a secret that Soviet Union has lost 4 cosmonauts during the landing. Actually only a parachute system failure was unpreventable. The other 3 guys have died because... they had no hermetic suits. The soviet government thought it's a good way to fit 3 cosmonauts into one landing capsule. Otherwise only 2 would be able to use it. After that incident of course the changes were made, but yes we lost 3 people at once.

Americans lost 18 because their rocket systems made by Nazis suck.

Not true, and not funny. Come on man.. von Braun was a Nazi, yes, but Rockwell and Boeing made some great rockets since then. What happened to those poor bastards was a terrible, tragic accident.

Anyway, Glad to know that the safety system worked out and that these 2 guys made it back to earth alive and well.

Who said it was funny? Tell it to Aidsfag who smiles on 18 dead US astronauts. We lost 4 and all of them during the landing procedure (in the landing capsule). Nobody has died in the rocket. There were two incidents in 1983 (the people were catapulted from from the launch pad) and in 2018 (they there ejected in the outer space). In both cases the crews were successfully saved.

In case with Challenger, for example, the crew had no chances. Just imagine you are inside the shuttle, you know it's going to be destroyed because the busters are leaked but you have no lifesaving system...

This is what happened to Soviet rocket with cosmonauts in 1983:



Yes, everybody it alive. What happened to the Challenger's crew we all saw too. And yes again, it's not funny at all. The people w/o a lifesaving system are doomed.

The US dude describes the Russian rocket lifesaving systems. I guess he knows something about them what we don't...