Well first he's not president anymore, and 2nd, changing the subject doesn't help you win any arguments.



Maybe, but -

As clean energy rises, West Virginia looks past Trump’s embrace of coal to what comes next
Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

The US coal industry is going out, not with a whimper, but with a burst of rent-seeking
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...ustry-handouts



https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecle.../#247589ecf60f


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/23...-of-bio-fuels/

LOL! No dude.. geezuz this is terrible, and it leaves out a shit-ton of details too. Keep looking.

Nope.

Acey-baby you should read the entire article.

But regardless, it's true that EV cars are not perfect. I think you're missing the bigger picture.

There is all kinds of damage that we all do the environment every day. Driving cars is just one of them, especially when its just 1 person in the car.

Going electric is cheaper, pollutes less, saves energy. It's just smart all around, but it isn't itself a solution to all the worlds problems. But it's a good, important, safe small step.

Is it enough? No of course not, and no one thinks that. Not even me.

Will or should fossil fuels be eliminated? No. Electricity is great for moving cars, but gas and diesel are better for other machines such as big trucks and construction machinery.

Don't be so nervous. EV's, from what I, a bazillion consumers and some genius engineers, scientists and chemists can figure, are a good step towards keeping the planet .001 degree cooler. Just let it happen. You'll save a few bucks, breathe a little easier, get a little less noise on the road, and see a few speed records broken in the meantime.

Well the Bush family runs oil companies. Clinton and Obama were just corrupt pieces of garbage. Trump however, is finally making moves: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill


That's really cool :thumbsup

So nevermind that he didn't do shit to promote plant-based fuel? LOL


That Forbes article seems like oil industry propaganda. They forgot to mention that HEMP is the most efficient plant for biomass. We don't need corn ethanol made from GMO corn sprayed with Roundup weed killer.

This article states that "The burning of any fuel will produce CO2, but also possibly pollution in the form of particulates, nitrogen oxides, sulphur dioxide, and carbon monoxide"

Nope, sulfur comes from fossil fuels, not hemp biomass fuel. Again, hemp is the ONLY plant that is efficient enough to provide fuel on a large scale- which is exactly why it was outlawed in 1937 after big oil lobbied Congress. And the CO2 produced from burning the fuel is absorbed by the next crop in the fields- a green cycle.

Agreed, but we could do without 90% of the oil industry. If you have a few minutes, check out this video with a Canadian trucker running hemp fuel (skip to 3:45)

Also a petition on Whitehouse.gov....
Immediately release Donald Trump's full tax returns, with all information needed to verify emoluments clause compliance.

Your other link... you fucking crook.... is a bipartisan bill.....

Both Democrats and Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill

McConnell, as well as Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), introduced their hemp legislation as a stand-alone bill in April.

The Clintons are done. You are either beating a dead horse or you are scared of them, or both. The democrats are not going to take another chance. Did you see Gore run again?

Acepimp here is the main problem with hemp as fuel - it's carbon neutral. While this is normally a good thing, its not in this case. Hemp absorbs alot of CO2 - this is good! But it gets all put back into the atmosphere when burned, which is bad. If we switched to Hemp today, we would still be in the same place 100 years from now, environmentally speaking.

The trick is to offset the CO2 in the air. If we know we're going to drive 100,000 miles over 10 years or so, it would be great not to expel CO2 into the are that entire time. Building the ev car will add some, but driving it vs a gas car will add 0 CO2. And right now we need to remove the CO2 from the air, not add to it. Hence, EV's are good.

But as a whole, I agree with you that Hemp can be better than gasoline, but this is hard to measure. Gas comes from oil pumped out of the ground, whereas Hemp needs to be farmed. Using that farmspace to grow food instead of fuel is arguably better.

I found a good article on the challenges of hemp fuel at http://hig.diva-portal.org/smash/get...TACHMENT01.pdf

Long story short: It's not easy. But hey - Get Trump on the horn and ask him to do something about it. He's Trump and he can do anything, right? Surely he can do this for you, right? He's smart enough and cool enough, isn't he?

Don't want to ask him? Then stop changing the subject and blaming Obama.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What a thread.

Trump is not doing a god damned thing. That IS NOT Trump. Trump is not even a fan of McConnell. Trump has thrown him under the bus.. and is about to do it again.

Trump plays golf. Trump lies on Twitter.. Trump blows 200 million on fake news. Trump is preoccupied by fucking up relations with our allies and spends time keeping his ass out of jail.

Hemp legalization, is a bipartisan bill, written by 2 dems and 2 repugs.

Stop fucking lying AssPimple.

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Vendzilla, go back to using a steam engine. Electric is the present and future. Nothing you say will change that.

I don't think he's even checking this thread anymore.

The fact that he WANTS to change that shows how fucked in the head he is.

What kind of fuckwad wants renewable energy to fail? Vendzilla :321GFY

Vendzilla:

I found a good primer on electric cars and the current and near future battery technology for you.


The electric revolution is happening and happening really, really fast. Much faster than I could have ever hoped for actually. What I suggest is that if you are interested, that you take some time to learn more about how it works. It's good for drivers, good for the environment, and a good investment all around.

true - i would say in 5 years 25% on the street is electric and in 10 years 50%.

if there will be a big jump in hydrogen technology it may switch to hydrogen but the era of gasoline cars is definitely at it´s end.

Been a while you gave us a good chuckle Vendzilla. Thanks ;)

its amazing that compressed air vehicles are not more popular...this is the simplest concept of all and although range is not great, they are incredibly easy to make and would be great for city transports...

I think vendzilla is working on being the president of TURD (The Utra Right Denialists Party of MAGA)

Das interestading

Why don't I remember my name being white?

Ultimately, while we 'WILL' move to electric vehicles, the shape they take in power plants will change.

We will eventually move to some source of fuel cell. Either hydrogen based or methane based is more likely in the near future. Plenty of Nat Gas right now if they make a distribution system for the fuel.

You have this issue in the northern states of needing heat in them in the winter months.
Try to heat them up with electric and you will soon find your range about 1/10 of normal.
Fuel cells can generate the heat as well as the electric. Batteries do loose capacity the colder they get. They may warm some when you put a natural load on them. but a loss is expected. A mix of battery and fuel cells will be the thing in less than 8 years.
Fuel cells will become cheaper faster than batteries and reduce some of the weight overhead. Vastly improve the range & speed as well as quickness.

But all in all, the car co's will want them as they are just better for them in the long run.
The fact that you have fewer parts and much fewer moving parts will eventually become cheaper for them as this moves along. But you can never expect cheaper cars.
No matter what they do, it is a reason to raise prices.

No change can be a rapid one. But this is where everything is going.
For sports driving folks, you can't beat the instant torq available, provided they did a proper design job on the size of motors vs the weight.

THat would be great. There are 5 houses on my street now with electric cars and I am seeing more and more on the road. I think we will reach your targets.

Hydrogen power is also electric, but I think the main differences is that there's no infrastructure to get Hydrogen yet, and the cost of delivery and manufacture is high. It has to be produced, stored, transported to gas stations and stored again. I think all of this is just inefficient compared to electricity where the infrastructure is already in place.

I thought about that, but there are problems with this too. The tanks have to be big and round, vs batteries which are fairly flat. Filling the tank with compressed air will generate alot of heat, and driving the car will make the tank super cold, so maybe that means some extra heating or cooling for this. Batteries do this too of course, but I think the heating/cooling, size and space, infrastructure and other requirements push compressed-air cars out of the market.

What about the guy who made cars run on water?

This is why:

Tata Motors executive's murder: Cops in dark

Although the company now claims to be launching in 2020.

You should know that I don't wear hats.

To be honest, I want to see hydrogen powered ccars on the street, they make sense. Separating o2 from hydrogen has been going on for a long time and we have plenty of hydrogen on this planet. And the exhaust is all water. seems like much better way to go, but then I care more about the planet than what color hat someone is wearing

Didn't Schwarzenegger have a Hummer that ran on hydrogen?

Yes...yes he did. GM had a Hummer running on hydrogen back 14 years ago:

https://newatlas.com/go/3378/

I remember that, also one of the Japanese car makers is going to offer a car power by hydrogen soon I believe. The thing with battery power is you have to charge it. That power has to come from somewhere and it's still a polutant. The materials for the batteries leaves a huge carbon footprint as well. Twatwaffles always get behind an idea that has a general appeal to it without looking at the dark side of it, sorta like the PPACA or Obamacare. Sure its great to have universal healthcare, but not at the expence of our economy and the fact it's failing under it's own weight.

Just because that's what you personally want doesn't mean they are a good idea.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no.


Yes and No.

Says the guy calling everyone who doesn't agree with him names.



Yes, and you have to re-fill your hydrogen tank.

The energy required to make Hydrogen and deliver it to stations requires energy, and the source of that energy can be a pollutant too.

See above.

The energy it takes to make hydrogen few produces few miles on the road than it does when used to charge an electric car. Are you calling yourself names now?

What was that you said earlier about hats?

Hey Vendzilla, question for you.

You do realize that Hydrogen powered cars are electric, right?

:1orglaugh

I remember that too - it was pretty cool!

But what about the precious coal miners? How will they fulfill their destiny of dying from black lung if we use hydrogen? Or is there a way for us to have this new, efficient energy technology AND dirty, polluting, death causing coal at the same time? That would be paradise.

I remembered it because I had a 2005 Hummer H2 SUT I bought in 2005 and it was awesome. And then I saw Arnold on television with his and talking about clean energy and a "Hydrogen Highway" in California.

I always assumed the oil companies probably bought the patents for it and shut it down.

They wouldn't need to. Exxon can make Hydrogen fuel themselves. It looks like they are doing that now or at least researching the idea. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8035496.html

Did you not know this?

Reeducate the miners to run a hydrogen plant, simple enough for you?

https://secure.energyandcapital.com/... oCUlsQAvD_BwE talks about this very subject, bigger than you might think. I have always been against battery powered cars, too limited and lithium batteries are just not the answer.

Yes! Very good idea. They should be reducated to do another jobs, preferably green jobs like Hydrogen or electric, or other tech jobs?

Why didn't Trump think of that?

Come to think of it, Why didn't Obama think of that?

Oh wait, he did!

https://thinkprogress.org/obamas-bud...-106711d3a9a8/

How about that. You and Obama. Agreeing on stuff.


No, you have always been against Electric Cars. The title of this thread, that you started, is "So much for electric cars saving the environment"

I think you just didn't know that Hydrogen Cars were electric and now you're just trying to cover your ass.

When folks talk about Hydrogen in motor vehicles, often there is a disconnect as we are not always talking about the same thing.
Pure hydrogen is expensive to produce. I did see some promising work discovered about 10 years ago in some medical research using gold at near a atomic level in with water that was being bombarded with high levels of radio waves to separate the 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom per molecule. To get pure hydrogen this would have to be separated more. But there are other ways to produce pure hydrogen.

But that is called HHO in the real world. And much of that is what is used in direct burning as a gas in internal combustion engines.
Cheaper to produce but still expensive. As clean as it gets to burn (only water produced) but maybe not depending on how you produce the HHO.

Methane or Natural gas is pleasantly abundant right now and cheap. At least until all the liquefied exports to the EU get moving and we are short again.
You could reasonably convert all vehicles in the US to run on methane and we could export 80% of oil produced here in the us.
They do currently have a program of burning Nat Gas in diesel trucks/tractor-trailers but still require some diesel petrol for about 20%. Mainly for fleet use.

Hydrogen and methane fuel cells can be clean electric power plants that can be portable or large and stationary. Great standby power if you power is interrupted a lot. Google it.

When I was deeply involved in my solar research, I found a guy back in the 90's 80 miles from civilization (in the US west) with money to burn who was using solar to produce HHO and storing it at low pressure in more than a dozen 500 gallon propane tanks.
He cooked with it directly (about 300btu per cubic foot) He used batteries to store 'some' of the solar electric on a daily supply need (overnight) but had generators that ran on the HHO for extended demand or days of overcast sky.
He heater the water with HHO and air for a few chilly nights.

One could do the same based on his model a lot cheaper now-a-days but still requires some real estate to do. His solar array, tanks and these unique spheres he made for the de-mineralized water HHO production probably require about 3/4 of a acre.

I was very inspired to all the thought he placed into it. Very simple and practical thinking and could be made smaller in size.

I still say 'all of the above' is the only sane thing to do here.
The markets will find answers if you allow them. It's a national security issue that can't wait for the last minute need to work itself out.

Sorry to say, nobody seems interested in this stuff till what they currently use gets into their pocket.

EDIT: in the case you did not catch it, I was suggesting above that the use of Nat Gas/Methane is a good measure than can be implemented right now in a slower incremental way to reduce the need for imports and diversify our energy dependency as we develop better more cost effective methods. But do nothing till you have to, and it will cost you dearly.

Lol, mark been on a roll lately. Slowly becoming my favorite Canadian or Russian or whatever.

First off...you're a scientist? And millionaire playboy? WTF are you doing on a Porn business board man! :pimp

But seriously...you seem to be knowledgeable...In every report I ever heard on television about hydrogen powered cars they spoke of how it is so cheap and abundant.
What you are saying is in direct opposition to that.

I am in the entertainment biz (music and adult)...and I am an expert in both. Not so much in hydrogen. And all the other businesses that you are in. (that's why I am on GFY)

What is the deal then with all that misinformation that I and the general public were being told about hydrogen back in 2005?

Also I just checked Google again about hydrogen:
"Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe"

That sounds pretty cheap to me. But again...you have more expertise, so lay it out for me. :)