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wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:49 AM

Expert questions US public health agency advice on influenza vaccines - Doshi suggests that influenza is yet one more case of “disease mongering” - medicalising ordinary life to expand markets for new products. But, he warns that unlike most stories of selling sickness, “here the salesmen are public health officials, worried little about which brand of vaccine you get so long as they can convince you to take influenza seriously.”

https://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2...uenza-vaccines

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:50 AM

Gardasil : the anticancer vaccination that increases the risk of cervical cancer in young women – Docteur Nicole Delépine

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:51 AM

A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States
A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population. - PubMed - NCBI
Commentary--Controversies surrounding mercury in vaccines: autism denial as impediment to universal immunisation. - PubMed - NCBI
Methodological issues and evidence of malfeasance in research purporting to show thimerosal in vaccines is safe. - PubMed - NCBI
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism. - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:52 AM

Public Health England withholding vaccines results making it impossible to establish if drugs could be harmful

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-impossible/

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:53 AM

Study - Hepatitis B vaccine causes brain damage

http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/...-behaviors.pdf

"This new study demonstrates that vaccines can affect brain development via immune activation. Hence, the immune activation experiments are relevant to vaccines…The hep B vaccine increased IL-6 in the hippocampus (the only brain region analyzed for cytokines)."

The authors noted that the HBV mice showed “significantly increased” IL-6, which we know is a biomarker for autism.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:54 AM

The Corruption of Science: Who Funds Vaccine Safety Studies?

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:55 AM

How Much Money Do Pediatricians Really Make From Vaccines?

"So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000. V But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?"

https://wellnessandequality.com/2016...from-vaccines/

Blue Cross - 2016 Performance Recognition Program

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:56 AM

Flu vaccines in pregnant women increase the risk of miscarriage 7.7 fold

https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k15

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:57 AM

Harvard doctor admits why he can't risk discussing the truth about vaccines in public


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CDC change Polio risk on their website

September 27, 2012:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120927...short-both.htm

Approximately 95% of persons infected with polio will have no symptoms. About 4-8% of infected persons have minor symptoms, such as fever, fatigue, nausea, headache, flu-like symptoms, stiffness in the neck and back, and pain in the limbs, which often resolve completely. Fewer than 1% of polio cases result in permanent paralysis of the limbs (usually the legs). Of those paralyzed, 5-10% die when the paralysis strikes the respiratory muscles. The death rate increases with increasing age.

August 12, 2014:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140812...short-both.htm

Approximately 72% of persons infected with polio will have no symptoms. About 24% of infected persons have minor symptoms, such as fever, fatigue, nausea, headache, flu-like symptoms, stiffness in the neck and back, and pain in the limbs, which often resolve completely. Fewer than 1% of polio cases result in permanent paralysis of the limbs (usually the legs). Of those paralyzed, 5-10% die when the paralysis strikes the respiratory muscles. The death rate increases with increasing age.

By June 14, 2017, there's no mention of the statistics:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170614...-in-short.html

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wehateporn 11-19-2018 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369200)
Nothing else you say matter until you provide your 2 science degrees from your top Universities. And prove that its really you they were awarded to. Until then shut the fuck up.

I'm sure everyone here trusts me, I'm known to be an honest person, I really don't want to have to take a photo of the certificates in my draw, and how I got 98.2% (for an A grade you needed 80%) in advanced level statistics and won an award in the UK National Mathematics Competition at age 18.

I'm a modest guy, so I don't appreciate having to mention any of this

As you can see with the resources I have posted, there are many medical experts speaking out, the mainstream media don't want people to know that, today I'm just a messenger.

_Richard_ 11-19-2018 02:27 AM

this isn't fucking crazy at all..

CaptainHowdy 11-19-2018 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22369326)
this isn't fucking crazy at all..

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh . . .

wehateporn 11-19-2018 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 22369326)
this isn't fucking crazy at all..

The mainstream media narrative is to make it appear that anyone who speaks out against Big Pharma, war, GMO etc is 'crazy', some people who get their information from there will accept that narrative at facevalue.

When a family member is left dead or disabled by a vaccine, people tend to look into them further.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PamWinterReturns (Post 22369207)
Back in the late 70’s or early 80’s my mom got the flu shot. It might have been around the time of the swine flu. Anyway, within a few days she had the worst case of the flu. Three weeks sick and i remember her saying her whole body ached.

The doctor came over and asked why she took the flu shot. He explained that this strain of virus protection gave you the flu so your body could fight it if you got it again. But next time it could be another strain of the flu. Claimed that proper sleep, nutrition, and meds helps clear it from your system. The big drug companies convinced the media that the shot prevents the flu and everyone needs it.

I’ve never taken the flu shot. Germs cause colds and flu and killing them is hard to do. Too many strains of bacteria and I’d rather be ill and take known antibiotics than new vaccines or meds. The nursing home insisted I take a shot while in a coma. My legal guardian, mom, refused it and doctors had to write and agree with her. With all my illnesses and medical conditions, putting germs into me was crazy.

They charge $900 per shot. Seriously. Claim it’s not cheap and yadda yadda yadda. When I researched years later, the shot was $20 or less to produce. Pharmaceutical companies gave it to medical environments for free to protect the public. Tax deductions, too!

In a hundred years, all viruses, cancers and illnesses will be curable. No more telethons, fund raisers or donations needed. The Jerry Lewis telethons raised around $400 million dollars alone. Have there been any advances in muscular dystrophy research?

They announce breakthroughs in paralysis research. People get a device implanted and they can walk again. Woo hoo? Not for all. Insurance won’t cover the hundred grand needed for surgery then maintenance. People can’t afford to pay for it. Only the rich will be able to afford help.

I was recommended to take swimming physical therapy. The Hoyer lifts you into the pool and you can “walk” in the pool. Insurance says experimental so no. Organizations say no as it’s too new and expensive. $300 for a thirty-minute treatment. Mmmkkkk. So I suggested they rent the pool for an hour. Let me slide or fall into the water. I can swim well but have two aides ready to assist.

“Too risky for your health.” Huh? I’m thinking of the shallow end and moving muscles, not diving off the high board. I’d sign a waiver. “You must bring a doctor and nurse along.” Yeah, my neurologist has time to take off two hours during the weekday to play in the kiddie pool with me.

Big companies push their products but research into vaccines is scary. Swine flu, common influenza, and other vaccines have proved deadly. Ten years might seem like a long time to test a drug, but it depends on whom they test, what illnesses or syndromes or genetic markers they have.

You can’t isolate your kids but preventative measures can be taken. I’m against vaccines since childhood. A neighbor had a missing leg and a deformed leg. His mom took a vaccine in the 50’s that did this to thousands of women. Without googling, thalidomide? Thalidamed? Something like that and it caused deformity in newborns. The government was behind it and the lawsuits were squashed or thrown out. Some big scandal but the details aren’t coming back.

Thanks for sharing your story :thumbsup:thumbsup

Manfap 11-19-2018 07:38 AM

They only give it to the oldies here, kids can survive flu.
It does them good to see what being really ill should feel like. A benchmark so they dont claim to have the flu everytime they get a cold.

2MuchMark 11-19-2018 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369280)
Vaxxed Vs Unvaxxed study

https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-compara...en.php#Article

"vaccination was associated with a 6.6-fold increased odds of NDD" (neurodevelopmental disorders)

LOL! From this same link: Nevertheless, the study findings should be interpreted with caution. First, additional research is needed to replicate the findings in studies with larger samples and stronger research designs. Second, subject to replication, potentially detrimental factors associated with the vaccination schedule should be identified and addressed and underlying mechanisms better understood.

You are uneducated on the subject, pretending to understand medicine, jumping to ridiculous & wrong conclusions, and spreading your opinion as fact. FUCKING STOP.

2MuchMark 11-19-2018 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369132)
Two science degrees here from top universites

Still waiting for you to show your science degrees from those top universities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369282)
Freedom of information release from CDC

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

I said show YOUR research and YOUR Proof of Validation, Dumbass! Have any of the doctors above validated YOUR work? No? So shut the fuck up!

Also, now you are posting about kids who are immunocompromised in order to make a case that all vaccines are bad? This right there is an automatic fail for you.

Listen to me. You are going to hurt someone if you keep spreading this stuff. Someone may read it and decide to postpone getting vaccinated or getting treatment for a serious issue. Any delay can result serious illness or even death. If you think the garbage you spew as "fact" is helping anyone, you are wrong. You are hurting people.

If you don't believe me, Talk to your own doctor.

RedFred 11-19-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 22369409)
They only give it to the oldies here, kids can survive flu.
It does them good to see what being really ill should feel like. A benchmark so they dont claim to have the flu everytime they get a cold.

Wrong...

2MuchMark 11-19-2018 09:46 AM

Sorry Wehateporn but in all seriousness I do not even want to engage you in this discussion anymore. I think what you are doing is terrible. Sure it's only my opinion but I am standing by it and you won't change my mind.

RedFred 11-19-2018 11:19 AM

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HairyChick 11-19-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369349)
Thanks for sharing your story :thumbsup:thumbsup

I don’t think you should ask strangers if you’re raising your kids right. Their approval doesn’t matter. Talk to doctors, research online and use common sense.

The decision is ultimately yours. You’ll deal with the consequences and you can’t later say “I asked on a porn webmaster forum and they said ...”.

I speak from experience. Others take it and are fine. Investigate what shot they get and what’s in it. Were the trials long-term and what were the results? Any problems yet?

Do you sign a waiver before the shot that exonerates the drug companies from lawsuits and legal machinations? Everyone signs the forms but they’re immune to the implications

Ask medical professionals but also ask if they’re paid to padminister the shot. It all comes down to dollars and cents

Manfap 11-19-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22369447)
Wrong...

Care to expand on that?

wehateporn 11-19-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369416)
LOL! From this same link: Nevertheless, the study findings should be interpreted with caution. First, additional research is needed to replicate the findings in studies with larger samples and stronger research designs. Second, subject to replication, potentially detrimental factors associated with the vaccination schedule should be identified and addressed and underlying mechanisms better understood.

You are uneducated on the subject, pretending to understand medicine, jumping to ridiculous & wrong conclusions, and spreading your opinion as fact. FUCKING STOP.

To provide some context, the reason smaller independent studies are having to be carried out is because the industry is refusing to carry out largescale studies of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, which should raise a big red flag. The industry does not like proper studies, so they refuse them.

Out of all the people you will communicate with in your life, I am likely one who knows the most about vaccines out of all of them, as it's my pet obsession, and I eat up information everyday while most people are looking at porn or watching CNN.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369419)
Still waiting for you to show your science degrees from those top universities.

Are you seriously doubting me? Anyone else here doubting me or just Mark?

wehateporn 11-19-2018 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369419)

I said show YOUR research and YOUR Proof of Validation, Dumbass! Have any of the doctors above validated YOUR work? No? So shut the fuck up!

That is a freedom of information release from of a discussion between CDC doctors about a vaccine study which showed that significant harm was being caused, they decided to embargo the information from the public.

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369419)
Also, now you are posting about kids who are immunocompromised in order to make a case that all vaccines are bad? This right there is an automatic fail for you.

Where did I post about immnocompromised kids?

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369419)
Listen to me. You are going to hurt someone if you keep spreading this stuff. Someone may read it and decide to postpone getting vaccinated or getting treatment for a serious issue. Any delay can result serious illness or even death. If you think the garbage you spew as "fact" is helping anyone, you are wrong. You are hurting people.

Unfortunately harm of vaccines far outweighs any benefit they can bring, this is the most important battle raging on the planet right now, the war of information with Big Pharma.

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369419)
If you don't believe me, Talk to your own doctor.

He doesn't vaccinate his own kids either, he's seen far too much harm caused by them.

Bladewire 11-19-2018 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369551)
Are you seriously doubting me? Anyone else here doubting me or just Mark?

We all doubt you

You know that

Show proof of your degrees

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22369467)
Sorry Wehateporn but in all seriousness I do not even want to engage you in this discussion anymore. I think what you are doing is terrible. Sure it's only my opinion but I am standing by it and you won't change my mind.

I do believe you would be better off staying away from this debate as it makes you incredibly emotional, which will make it difficult for you to think clearly. The Church of Big Pharma is your religion, and anyone providing evidence against their teachings, like me, is going to wind you up.

Maybe one day you'll be ready to look into the data and studies I post, until then you would be better not to stress yourself out with all this, as it won't do beneficial for your health.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22369557)
We all doubt you

You know that

Show proof of your degrees

Given you think I'm about 17 other people here, if I prove my science degrees you'll think all of those posters have them. :1orglaugh

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PamWinterReturns (Post 22369533)
I don’t think you should ask strangers if you’re raising your kids right. Their approval doesn’t matter. Talk to doctors, research online and use common sense.

The decision is ultimately yours. You’ll deal with the consequences and you can’t later say “I asked on a porn webmaster forum and they said ...”.

I speak from experience. Others take it and are fine. Investigate what shot they get and what’s in it. Were the trials long-term and what were the results? Any problems yet?

Do you sign a waiver before the shot that exonerates the drug companies from lawsuits and legal machinations? Everyone signs the forms but they’re immune to the implications

Ask medical professionals but also ask if they’re paid to padminister the shot. It all comes down to dollars and cents

PamWinterReturns,

It's great to see people like yourself who are capable of critical thinking :thumbsup

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22369520)

Believing the Earth is flat is similar to believing that Big Pharma cares about making us all healthy

RedFred 11-19-2018 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 22369548)
Care to expand on that?

1. Children have not had the opportunity to build their immune systems yet and are more prone to the effects of flu. So far this season 172 children have died from the flu in the US. 80% of them were not vaccinated.

2. The idea that children getting the flu is a good thing because it 'lets them know what being sick is really like' is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22369573)
1. Children have not had the opportunity to build their immune systems yet and are more prone to the effects of flu. So far this season 172 children have died from the flu in the US. 80% of them were not vaccinated.

2. The idea that children getting the flu is a good thing because it 'lets them know what being sick is really like' is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

The flu numbers are faked, they include pneumonia deaths, which is the bulk of them, that means many people who were already seriously sick, then get finished off by pneumonia are listed as being flu deaths.

It's all an illusion to sell jabs.

Catching flu reduces the risk of cancer, and anyhow the jabs don't work against flu as they always predict the wrong strain year after year.

Bladewire 11-19-2018 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369576)
The flu numbers are faked

No they are not

You have no "inside info" and you lied here about having multiple college degrees. Get a life

Bladewire 11-19-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22369561)
Given you think I'm about 17 other people here, if I prove my science degrees you'll think all of those posters have them.

Prove you have multiple degrees. Very simple to do for someone with low self esteem not lying on the internet.

wehateporn 11-19-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22369578)
No they are not

You have no "inside info" and you lied here about having multiple college degrees. Get a life

All hidden in plain sight on the CDC website, the number of flu deaths is actually tiny, most are pneumonia deaths.

What categories does CDC use to estimate flu-associated deaths?

"CDC uses two categories of underlying cause of death information listed on death certificates: pneumonia and influenza (P&I) causes and respiratory and circulatory (R&C) causes. CDC uses statistical models with records from these two categories to make estimates of influenza-associated mortality. CDC uses underlying R&C deaths (which include P&I deaths) as the primary outcome in its mortality modeling because R&C deaths provide an estimate of deaths that include secondary respiratory or cardiac complications that can follow influenza. R&C causes of death are more sensitive to describe flu-related deaths than underlying P&I deaths and more specific than deaths from all causes."


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