So the Republicans are for illegal migrants. No surprise there as they are in the pockets of big business.

How many more people are needed and at what cost, to what effectiveness? When it comes to poor methods of slowing illegal migration the "boots on the ground" method is a proven failure.

Walls work great in most areas. China, Soviet union, Israel, Berlin. Your point about putting it places where no one crosses is good. If after the wall is built they don't start using those spots.

Building a wall is cost effective if it reduces the numbers of illegals trying to get into the States. Check upon the facts.

So a child costs $100,615 for ten years. Now multiply that by all the illegal children and those born to illegal children per year and see what the costs of just educating them is.

Illegal migration has been going on for decades but no President has met it full on. Even though it effects so many areas, unemployment, education, housing, healthcare, policing, etc.

A campaign of strict enforcement of illegals employment rules decades ago with harsh fines or confiscation or prison would have stemmed illegal migration. Fines to meet the costs of finding companies, deporting illegals, then judging and fining the guilt companies, making the cost of doing the job nothing.

But so Presidents have done little to nothing and even encouraged illegal migration by amnesty to illegals.

Why do you think that is?

What do you suggest they use?

At least there is one European that openly admits he wants the US to be just like China, the Soviet Union or Berlin. Did you look at those places throughout your life and think 'now that's how things should be!'?

The EU now has a huge problem with illegal migrants and does nothing to stem the tide coming from the Middle East and Africa.

With Schengen agreement removing all border controls, once they get into the Schengen area they are free to march to whatever country they like. This usually turns out to be a country that will give them the most welfare.

In Czech we have a shortage of low skilled workers because a lot of them have gone to nations with a better welfare system. We now get legal migrants from places outside the EU like Ukraine. So why don't those illegal migrants come here and when made to move up and leave to return to Germany?

Constructing is a stupid idea. As the route is by sea.

Funny as well that the "caravan" is almost entirely male, military age males, yet the mainstream media continues to push the fake narrative of innocent mothers and children for ratings.

And.... cause' Orange Man Bad!


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If only Trump had kept his promise to build a wall you wouldn't have to be so outraged about this...

Jesus Christ Paul seriously.

It's a continuous effort to educate you and your continuous effort to completely ignore what people who fucking live here at the border know, and instead act like EU immigrants are the same as South American immigrants to the US, it's quite frustrating.

We have 580 miles of border wall already, along our border, along the areas that immigrants cross. The rest is mostly terrain that's not traversable and too far out for immigrants to reach.

Here is an interactive map to show you how much of our border has a wall.

Click on it

For the 1,000th time.

We need more feet on the ground here and extensive electronic surveillance. These resources are MOBILE to compliment the 580 miles of wall we ALREADY HAVE.

You're a real sociopathic piece of shit lying and celebrating this. Something seriously wrong with your head.


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Great job on finding agenda driven, staged photos!

I know you hate facts. You really hate facts. The truth is that the entire "caravan" contains less than 5% women and children... but of course, idiots like you who are immune to facts have no interest in the truth. You only care about the narrative.

Fuck off lying psychotic. I have yet to see anything you haven't lied about.

The answer is simple - money.

The agriculture, construction, and food processing industries in this country lean heavily on illegal immigrant labor. I grew up in a small town that had a lot of farms nearby. My senior year of high school I worked at a small convenience store. During the spring and summer months we had what everyone referred to as "The Mexican Rush" at the store. Between 3-6pm every day we would get several buses full of migrant workers coming in from the fields. If the government actually put the hammer down on these industries they would be forced to hire Americans for these jobs and those people would want a hell of a lot more money so the cost of houses and food would go up.

The presidents find themselves in a tough spot. If they go after these industries they will be accused of being anti-business/socialist. If they don't they are pro-illegal immigration. Most of them choose to strike a position that lands them in the area where they go after some groups of illegals, but they mostly turn a blind eye on the businesses that are providing them the very opportunity they are coming here to seek.

If you can be counted on for anything at all, it's for furthering false narratives and for avoiding facts like they cause AIDS.

I noticed you have nothing to say about the 500+ criminals - the human traffickers, wanted criminals, sex traffickers and gang bangers (including MS-13) that Mexico has already arrested and deported from the group?

Were those all innocent women and children too?

Do asylum seekers, fleeting violence to find refuge in another country do it by throwing rocks, attacking police, tearing down barricades, trashing cities, flying the flag of the nation they are fleeing etc etc? Of course not.

Should "asylum seekers" who won't stand up for their own nation be expected to stand up for the USA as they proudly fly their own flag in a run at the border? Of course not.

<patiently waits for evasive, emotional response>

Ms-13... Another american export we try to blame on others.

For the record, I'm glad Mexico nabbed them. But it's a drop in the ocean. An honorable drop tho.

MS-13 was founded here but the founder/s was/were, illegal aliens..

I always wondered if you were really black, but that comment erased all doubt.

What makes you think they were "beaten"? Better yet, what does that mean?

What does that even mean? Are you race baiting?

It's impossible to educate me when you give me links to pages with nothing about the Wall. Give me a link to the right page. :upsidedow

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Seem,s to say you're wrong.

In the EU the big problem is African and Asian migrants. Tell me how they differ from Central American migrants. Other than colour.

Just for the record, the Berlin wall was about keeping people from getting out, not getting in. Even though they officially of course claimed the opposite.

And without the mines, selfshoot devices and border patrol that shot people who tried to cross it, it would have been pretty pointless.

You put a great case for legal migrants and said nothing about illegal migration. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup

Of course you did put a great case for the real reason for illegal migration. Keeping wages in all low skilled jobs low. Of course that argument doesn't hold water. Raising wages will produce more taxes, a better standard of living, reduce debt, ease housing. In crop harvesting a better solution is automation, in building this was a job that Americans were eager to do as it paid well, now not so. Farming is the strangest sector, without access to very cheap labour the option is to automate. Making human labour unnecessary. Australia has a very strict migration policy and does well farming.

Food processing, did you mean working in a slaughter house? That can be done by legal migrants, which can be turned on and off to suit needs. Also it can stipulate who is allowed in. Workers only on a short term visa so any children born to those workers can return with their parents.

Imagine that... facts.

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I'm not sure what you mean here. I am simply pointing out why little has been done about illegals for a long time. They provide cheap labor. That is why.

At some point autmation will take over. there are fewer and fewer individually owned farms every year as big companies buy them up. That said, farmers (or those in the other areas) have no interest in raising wages. They don't care if it will help in other ways, it hurts their bottom line. They could pay a lot more and hire Americans to do the job, but the amount they would have to pay would either destroy their profit or force them to raise their prices to a point where they can't compete.

Legal immigrants don't want these jobs. I am talking about working in canneries, chicken farms, food processing plants. These are crappy jobs that pay very little. If you are here legally there are many better options. Which would you rather do, work your ass off in a food processing plant where you get filthy and at the end of the day are exhausted and for this you get minimum wage or you can work the fry machine at McDonalds and make the same amount?

Illegals provide cheap labor. You don't have to pay them any benefits or unemployment. You don't have to follow the rules and laws because they will never report you and in some cases you can even pay less than minimum wage if you wanted. Legal immigrants have more options and, like most Americans, would only do these jobs as a last resort.

Do righty's typically justify themselves by saying "but the lefties did it too"? Or do you guys ever take responsibility for your actions? For a group that likes to shit on everything the other side does, you guys sure like to do the same exact things and validate it by saying "the other side did it too".

Remember, trump won. Trump is the president. No need to be obsessed with the past or the losers... Unless...

No. They just enjoy pointing out the boundless hypocrisy and fake outrage coupled with the ceaseless virtue signaling of the Left - particularly on this board.

It's not that "the other side did it too" that matters, nor is that the relevant point.

It's the "the other side did it too... continually and not a single one of you fake fucking idiots ever once said anything but when it happens once and you can pretend to be outraged at "the other side", you act like it was the first time it ever happened at all"

Everyone on the Left needs to stop living in a bubble of fake outrage and the media needs to stop manufacturing fake narratives to manipulate you guys like the hapless sheep that you are.

There is plenty of that going on with both sides. It is not just the Left that is ignoring the sins of their past in order to attack people for the same thing in the present.

Of course. That's in the real world. We are supposed to have different view points. We're supposed to defend them. We're supposed to debate furiously. The best ideas are supposed to rise to the top through that process. But that is not whats happening anymore.

More irritating is that on GFY there is a core group of complete fucking morons that fill the front page of this forum with fake outrage and fake narratives every single day. Non stop "orange man bad" with no ideas, no solutions, no plans.

The goal is never to create a better world or help improve the lives of fellow citizens, but rather to foster division and hate. Every rapist is a Trump supporter. Every solar flare is Trumps fault. Everyone who is tired of listening to non stop bitching and complaining and finger pointing with no ideas or solutions or that simply points out the hypocrisy or confronts someone with facts, is now a "racist" or a "nazi" or both.

This is the Idiocracy.
We're now living it.

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho is now in charge and infinitely dumber people criticize his every move or thought day and night as they water their plants with Gatorade and jerk off 24/7 while wondering why we have borders.... and chastise sane, intelligent and legitimately concerned people by reminding them that ultra-vicious and notoriously violent gang members known for hacking up children with machetes are "also people too" when they're called "animals" for their inhuman behavior.

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I saw an article recently that stated 20 years ago about 14% of people with opposing political view were evil. Today that number is up to 40%. I believe our leadership in general has fostered this Us vs. Them mentality and it has bled down to the general population. Right now our leadership doesn't seem to have any interest whatsoever in trying to fix this and bring the nation together. Instead they play into it. Until things change at the top (on both sides) the odds are it is only going to get worse.

Yes, that is a fact. The gulf has been widening for over 10 years now.

Psychologist Jonathan Haidt has been speaking about this for a very long time (TED etc)

US Politics has largely turned into a bad episode of Jersey Shore where the new success is failing upwards. And you're right. We need a President that inspires. The motivates. That unites. The fosters hope. That has a vision for the future that everyone can buy into. And that can communicate without calling 1/2 the voting public who they are also supposed to represent, cunts (by virtue of party affiliation) like both Obama did and Trump does.

We need a legit moderate. Both parties are moving further and further to their extremes which is doing none of us any good. We need a leader who can understand multiple points of view, respect them, and then figure out the best way to do things that will help them all. One person will never make everyone happy, but a good place to start, as you say, is to have someone in office who doesn't, by design, try to piss off the other side.

No drama Obama

We had that guy for 8 years he didn't purposely try to piss anybody off or divide anyone.

The thing is part of the Republican strategy is to keep their base pissed off no matter who the president is.

Republicans have full control of the house, senate and executive branch and their base is still pissed off spewing conspiracies and blaming others for their failures.

See how that works?

For 8 years, he did nothing but bad mouth Republicans, attack Republicans and blame Republicans and forgot completely that he was President of all citizens, not President of Democrats... and who was every bit as divisive as Trump is.

I gotta correct you, I'm not a lefty...

You gotta let the Obama shit go man. I know it sucks for y'all a black man did his thing in the White House, but that shit over. It happened. Get over it.

Fuck you and your non stop, racist bullshit.

You're just a weak minded racist idiot. You can't even argue a simple point or refute facts without bringing race into it or calling someone racist. You're a cancer in society. You are the very embodiment of hate and division.

Says the guy who's still so butt hurt over a black man being President that he still loses his shit multiple times a day over it.

I do? Any evidence whatsoever of that?

No?

So it's just like everything you say? .... made up bullshit, fake narratives and invented "facts".

I'm shocked, Bladewire.

Yes, yes you do.

You got triggered af. Why do black people trigger you so hard?

Why are you such a weak minded piece of shit of a human being that you feel its ok to call everyone racist no matter what they are saying or what is being discussed? You are the ONLY one bringing skin color into the conversation. YOU are the one who loves to turn everything into a racial issue. That's a sickness YOU have, not me.

This is what Islam teaches you?

Is it ok for me to just randomly call you a child molester like you call others racist? Can I punctuate every reply to you with a comment on you molesting children? Would that be ok with you? Not a problem?

Then when you ask for proof of such a vile accusation being true,.... I guess I get to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO and just call you a "child molester in denial" in response.

Would that be ok, asshole??

I'll just call you "triggered" if you get upset at being called a child molester... just like you're doing.

That will be fair, right?

That's what you do... Maybe people should start acting exactly like you and those here that also do the same shit do and see if you are cool with it.

Dipshit.