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beerptrol 11-25-2018 07:01 PM

alt right Chump ass eaters triggered

Bladewire 11-25-2018 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22372129)
Fake news. Caravaners did not come to the USA to storm the border. Do you think they would willingly subject themselves to a life of racism that's eagerly awaiting them on the other side of the border? That's absurd. They simply came here to cast their votes for the Democrats in the mid-term elections, which they sadly did not make it in time to do so.

If someone could simply get them a bunch of absentee ballots for the 2020 presidential election, with clear instructions for them to vote for Democrat, then they could be happily sent on their way back to their homeland. Their job will have been done.

Not that Democrats even need their votes. But Democrats need their votes.

Oh lovely another alt-right hate conspiracy retard.

BaldBastard 11-25-2018 07:27 PM

500 of a group of 10,000


So.…. 5%

Rochard 11-25-2018 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22372084)
Going after the people that regularly hire illegals and ending birthright citizenship would be a much more effective deterrent than a wall. The wall will only be as effective as we are at defending and patrolling it. Right now (and for the past several years) there are more than 1,400 unfilled requests for more border patrol agents. It's a shitty job and they are having a nearly impossible time finding enough people to do it. Unless we plan to use the military to patrol the wall or we add some serious technology to it, people will just go over or under it and it will do no good.

I agree with most of what you say.

If someone wants to come to the United States, they must do so legally. Make it difficult - but not impossible - for someone to become a US citizen. You want them to jump through hoops. At the same time, we need to crack down on people who come here illegally, and also crack down on people who hire illegals. If a company has a track record of hiring people illegally, they need to be shut down completely. Anyone who gets arrested in the US for being here illegally should be thrown in prison for a minimum one year stay, with longer sentences every time they are caught.

No one wants to be a border patrol officer. It's a crappy job, and you live and work in crappy border towns. It's also dangerous and boring.

I am beginning to question the birth right issue too. It seems to me that some people are traveling to the US to have their baby ONLY so they will be American citizens. I'm not talking about people from South America.... I am talking about all countries. We have people coming from Europe to do have their children here, and that's wrong.

kane 11-25-2018 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22372128)
That is exactly like the illegal problem to begin with. Every President, Democrat or Republican talks about the fact that it needs to be dealt with. No one does anything meaningful except grand amnesty to illegals in the country already.

NOW someone is actually doing SOMETHING meaningful and Democrats are pissed and can't stop attacking every single aspect of what's being done.... WHILE doing nothing at all themselves.

I don't mind Trump trying different things to help deal with the illegal immigration problem. I just don't think the wall is going to end up helping much at all. To me it is just a political stunt of sorts. Let's fix the problems. Let's not waste money building shit that won't really help.

BaldBastard 11-25-2018 09:07 PM

Usa fights women and children with chemical weapons at border


.. Happy thanksgiving 2018

Bladewire 11-25-2018 09:21 PM


TheSquealer 11-25-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22372140)
I don't mind Trump trying different things to help deal with the illegal immigration problem. I just don't think the wall is going to end up helping much at all. To me it is just a political stunt of sorts. Let's fix the problems. Let's not waste money building shit that won't really help.

I think you're right and that it should be fully dealt with from every problem area and from every side. I think every aspect should be dealt with. I think all laws should be enforced. I think every nation should have their laws and processes respected and followed for entering the country.

It's 100% insane that in the USA we act like a backwards, lawless banana republic when it comes to illegal immigration and elections.

MFCT 11-25-2018 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22372132)
Oh lovely another alt-right hate conspiracy retard.

Prove it.

Its either something you can prove. Or its just that you don't like what I say because you don't agree with Democrats/Liberals politically.

But wouldn't that make you a Trump supporter?

TheSquealer 11-25-2018 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22372162)
Prove it.

Its either something you can prove. Or its just that you don't like what I say because you don't agree with Democrats/Liberals politically.

But wouldn't that make you a Trump supporter?

2018 politics in the USA is all very simple. Either you root for the full and complete failure of the nation on every single level like Bladewire and the crocketteers,... OR you get branded "racist", "alt right", "Nazi" and "white supremacist" ... usually all at once.

Fall in line
Obey the narrative
... or suffer the wrath of the Party of Hate

Paul Markham 11-26-2018 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22372046)
The Republicans have had full control of congress for 2 years and could have paid for the wall. No excuses Paul.

Those of us who live in America, and live in states along the border, know that electronic surveillance and more boots on the ground is what we need not a wall that will keep getting blown up and destroyed over and over and over again.

So the Republicans are for illegal migrants. No surprise there as they are in the pockets of big business.

How many more people are needed and at what cost, to what effectiveness? When it comes to poor methods of slowing illegal migration the "boots on the ground" method is a proven failure.

Paul Markham 11-26-2018 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22372070)
Everyone is against illegal immigration. However, we do not need to spend twenty billion dollars on a wall in the next two years. Walls work great in some areas, but not in others. Why spend a billion dollars on a wall in an area where no one crosses when a handful of border patrol agents and a single helicopter would easily cover it?

Building a wall is not cost effective. At the same time, illegal immigration is down. Why spend money on something that is not cost effective to solve a problem that is becoming less of a problem every day?

Even more so now after our deficit is through the roof because we gave the rich a hug tax cut.

Walls work great in most areas. China, Soviet union, Israel, Berlin. Your point about putting it places where no one crosses is good. If after the wall is built they don't start using those spots.

Building a wall is cost effective if it reduces the numbers of illegals trying to get into the States. Check upon the facts.

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On average, it costs $10,615 to send a kid to public school for a year. (That's federal, state and local government spending combined.) As the map above shows, that one number masks a huge variation. Utah spends just over $6,000 per student; New York and the District of Columbia over $18,000.
So a child costs $100,615 for ten years. Now multiply that by all the illegal children and those born to illegal children per year and see what the costs of just educating them is.

Paul Markham 11-26-2018 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22372084)
Going after the people that regularly hire illegals and ending birthright citizenship would be a much more effective deterrent than a wall. The wall will only be as effective as we are at defending and patrolling it. Right now (and for the past several years) there are more than 1,400 unfilled requests for more border patrol agents. It's a shitty job and they are having a nearly impossible time finding enough people to do it. Unless we plan to use the military to patrol the wall or we add some serious technology to it, people will just go over or under it and it will do no good.

Illegal migration has been going on for decades but no President has met it full on. Even though it effects so many areas, unemployment, education, housing, healthcare, policing, etc.

A campaign of strict enforcement of illegals employment rules decades ago with harsh fines or confiscation or prison would have stemmed illegal migration. Fines to meet the costs of finding companies, deporting illegals, then judging and fining the guilt companies, making the cost of doing the job nothing.

But so Presidents have done little to nothing and even encouraged illegal migration by amnesty to illegals.

Why do you think that is?

Paul Markham 11-26-2018 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22372101)

What do you suggest they use?

RedFred 11-26-2018 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22372190)
Walls work great in most areas. China, Soviet union, Israel, Berlin. Your point about putting it places where no one crosses is good. If after the wall is built they don't start using those spots.


At least there is one European that openly admits he wants the US to be just like China, the Soviet Union or Berlin. Did you look at those places throughout your life and think 'now that's how things should be!'?

Paul Markham 11-26-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22372275)
At least there is one European that openly admits he wants the US to be just like China, the Soviet Union or Berlin. Did you look at those places throughout your life and think 'now that's how things should be!'?

The EU now has a huge problem with illegal migrants and does nothing to stem the tide coming from the Middle East and Africa.

With Schengen agreement removing all border controls, once they get into the Schengen area they are free to march to whatever country they like. This usually turns out to be a country that will give them the most welfare.

In Czech we have a shortage of low skilled workers because a lot of them have gone to nations with a better welfare system. We now get legal migrants from places outside the EU like Ukraine. So why don't those illegal migrants come here and when made to move up and leave to return to Germany?

Constructing is a stupid idea. As the route is by sea.

iceboi 11-26-2018 09:04 AM

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Tasty1 11-26-2018 09:09 AM


TheSquealer 11-26-2018 09:12 AM

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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 09:23 AM

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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 09:29 AM

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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 09:31 AM

Funny as well that the "caravan" is almost entirely male, military age males, yet the mainstream media continues to push the fake narrative of innocent mothers and children for ratings.

And.... cause' Orange Man Bad!


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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 09:43 AM

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beerptrol 11-26-2018 09:43 AM

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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 10:01 AM

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crockett 11-26-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22372000)


Invasions must be stopped.

If only Trump had kept his promise to build a wall you wouldn't have to be so outraged about this...

Bladewire 11-26-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22372190)
Walls work great in most areas. China, Soviet union, Israel, Berlin. Your point about putting it places where no one crosses is good. If after the wall is built they don't start using those spots.

Building a wall is cost effective if it reduces the numbers of illegals trying to get into the States. Check upon the facts.



So a child costs $100,615 for ten years. Now multiply that by all the illegal children and those born to illegal children per year and see what the costs of just educating them is.

Jesus Christ Paul seriously.

It's a continuous effort to educate you and your continuous effort to completely ignore what people who fucking live here at the border know, and instead act like EU immigrants are the same as South American immigrants to the US, it's quite frustrating.

We have 580 miles of border wall already, along our border, along the areas that immigrants cross. The rest is mostly terrain that's not traversable and too far out for immigrants to reach.

Here is an interactive map to show you how much of our border has a wall.

Click on it

For the 1,000th time.

We need more feet on the ground here and extensive electronic surveillance. These resources are MOBILE to compliment the 580 miles of wall we ALREADY HAVE.

RedFred 11-26-2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22372360)
Funny as well that the "caravan" is almost entirely male, military age males, yet the mainstream media continues to push the fake narrative of innocent mothers and children for ratings.


You're a real sociopathic piece of shit lying and celebrating this. Something seriously wrong with your head.


https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/im...1ab5baf_18.jpg


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/resiz...Z7FG7T3BBQ.jpg


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TheSquealer 11-26-2018 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22372443)
You're a real sociopathic piece of shit lying and celebrating this. Something seriously wrong with your head.

Great job on finding agenda driven, staged photos!

I know you hate facts. You really hate facts. The truth is that the entire "caravan" contains less than 5% women and children... but of course, idiots like you who are immune to facts have no interest in the truth. You only care about the narrative.

RedFred 11-26-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22372446)
I know you hate facts. You really hate facts. The truth is that the entire "caravan" contains less than 5% women and children... but of course, idiots like you who are immune to facts have no interest in the truth. You only care about the narrative.

Fuck off lying psychotic. I have yet to see anything you haven't lied about.

kane 11-26-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22372194)
Illegal migration has been going on for decades but no President has met it full on. Even though it effects so many areas, unemployment, education, housing, healthcare, policing, etc.

A campaign of strict enforcement of illegals employment rules decades ago with harsh fines or confiscation or prison would have stemmed illegal migration. Fines to meet the costs of finding companies, deporting illegals, then judging and fining the guilt companies, making the cost of doing the job nothing.

But so Presidents have done little to nothing and even encouraged illegal migration by amnesty to illegals.

Why do you think that is?

The answer is simple - money.

The agriculture, construction, and food processing industries in this country lean heavily on illegal immigrant labor. I grew up in a small town that had a lot of farms nearby. My senior year of high school I worked at a small convenience store. During the spring and summer months we had what everyone referred to as "The Mexican Rush" at the store. Between 3-6pm every day we would get several buses full of migrant workers coming in from the fields. If the government actually put the hammer down on these industries they would be forced to hire Americans for these jobs and those people would want a hell of a lot more money so the cost of houses and food would go up.

The presidents find themselves in a tough spot. If they go after these industries they will be accused of being anti-business/socialist. If they don't they are pro-illegal immigration. Most of them choose to strike a position that lands them in the area where they go after some groups of illegals, but they mostly turn a blind eye on the businesses that are providing them the very opportunity they are coming here to seek.

TheSquealer 11-26-2018 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22372447)
Fuck off lying psychotic. I have yet to see anything you haven't lied about.

If you can be counted on for anything at all, it's for furthering false narratives and for avoiding facts like they cause AIDS.

I noticed you have nothing to say about the 500+ criminals - the human traffickers, wanted criminals, sex traffickers and gang bangers (including MS-13) that Mexico has already arrested and deported from the group?

Were those all innocent women and children too?

Do asylum seekers, fleeting violence to find refuge in another country do it by throwing rocks, attacking police, tearing down barricades, trashing cities, flying the flag of the nation they are fleeing etc etc? Of course not.

Should "asylum seekers" who won't stand up for their own nation be expected to stand up for the USA as they proudly fly their own flag in a run at the border? Of course not.

<patiently waits for evasive, emotional response>

King Mark 11-26-2018 04:15 PM

Ms-13... Another american export we try to blame on others.

For the record, I'm glad Mexico nabbed them. But it's a drop in the ocean. An honorable drop tho.

onwebcam 11-26-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22372602)
Ms-13... Another american export we try to blame on others.

For the record, I'm glad Mexico nabbed them. But it's a drop in the ocean. An honorable drop tho.

MS-13 was founded here but the founder/s was/were, illegal aliens..

imabro 11-26-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22372602)
Ms-13... Another american export we try to blame on others.

I always wondered if you were really black, but that comment erased all doubt.

baddog 11-26-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 22372086)
I know right? How could they be beaten so easily?

What makes you think they were "beaten"? Better yet, what does that mean?

King Mark 11-27-2018 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by imabro (Post 22372608)
I always wondered if you were really black, but that comment erased all doubt.

What does that even mean? Are you race baiting?

Paul Markham 11-27-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22372393)
Jesus Christ Paul seriously.

It's a continuous effort to educate you and your continuous effort to completely ignore what people who fucking live here at the border know, and instead act like EU immigrants are the same as South American immigrants to the US, it's quite frustrating.

We have 580 miles of border wall already, along our border, along the areas that immigrants cross. The rest is mostly terrain that's not traversable and too far out for immigrants to reach.

Here is an interactive map to show you how much of our border has a wall.

Click on it

For the 1,000th time.

We need more feet on the ground here and extensive electronic surveillance. These resources are MOBILE to compliment the 580 miles of wall we ALREADY HAVE.

It's impossible to educate me when you give me links to pages with nothing about the Wall. Give me a link to the right page. :upsidedow

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ont-need-wall/

Seem,s to say you're wrong.

In the EU the big problem is African and Asian migrants. Tell me how they differ from Central American migrants. Other than colour.

MaDalton 11-27-2018 11:18 AM

Just for the record, the Berlin wall was about keeping people from getting out, not getting in. Even though they officially of course claimed the opposite.

And without the mines, selfshoot devices and border patrol that shot people who tried to cross it, it would have been pretty pointless.

Paul Markham 11-27-2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22372463)
The answer is simple - money.

The agriculture, construction, and food processing industries in this country lean heavily on illegal immigrant labor. I grew up in a small town that had a lot of farms nearby. My senior year of high school I worked at a small convenience store. During the spring and summer months we had what everyone referred to as "The Mexican Rush" at the store. Between 3-6pm every day we would get several buses full of migrant workers coming in from the fields. If the government actually put the hammer down on these industries they would be forced to hire Americans for these jobs and those people would want a hell of a lot more money so the cost of houses and food would go up.

The presidents find themselves in a tough spot. If they go after these industries they will be accused of being anti-business/socialist. If they don't they are pro-illegal immigration. Most of them choose to strike a position that lands them in the area where they go after some groups of illegals, but they mostly turn a blind eye on the businesses that are providing them the very opportunity they are coming here to seek.

You put a great case for legal migrants and said nothing about illegal migration. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup

Of course you did put a great case for the real reason for illegal migration. Keeping wages in all low skilled jobs low. Of course that argument doesn't hold water. Raising wages will produce more taxes, a better standard of living, reduce debt, ease housing. In crop harvesting a better solution is automation, in building this was a job that Americans were eager to do as it paid well, now not so. Farming is the strangest sector, without access to very cheap labour the option is to automate. Making human labour unnecessary. Australia has a very strict migration policy and does well farming.

Food processing, did you mean working in a slaughter house? That can be done by legal migrants, which can be turned on and off to suit needs. Also it can stipulate who is allowed in. Workers only on a short term visa so any children born to those workers can return with their parents.


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