Hell yeah show me that stiff action!!

Really? But at some point this will all have to be settled. Trump is vastly weakened as an ally, so what happens next?

really cool thank you

In Holland we had a referendum where most voters where against the Ukrain Agreement with the EU. Cause our president doesn't know that no=no he made an extra paper in the agreement that Holland won't be military involved in the Ukrain. Looks like that promise will be broken soon.

Ukrain fucked itself by licking Russia and Europe ass and political leaders that wanted power and money and listened to stupid Eurocrats shouting at the Maiden square and promosing money, help and prosperity. While only a minority of the EU people want Ukrain joining the EU. And why should they, so we can start a war with Russia? To sent more money to Ukrain? And nobody cares if they buy oil from Crimea in Ukrain or Crimea in Russia. I think 90% can't even point out Ukrain on a map.

Not worth to get involved in that dispute. Germany found the solution and will build Nordstream II so that the gas Europe needs from Russia can be transported without the need of Ukrain pipelines.

just like with Holland :)

sure its a double standard...if the USA is going to be a rotten serial invading dirty bastard and the EU its designated ass cleaner, then why the fuck should others play fair?

fuck that shit...the USA and EU opening their invader/ass eater mouths is hilarious...this fake outrage over russia doing 1/100th of what USIS does is some paul markham level hypocrisy...

Dude you are too high to comment shit. That arrogance level just says a ton about you.

Get your history ( past or present) straight. Nobody voted in Crimea to join Ukraininan SSR, yet with the fait acompli in the early nineties elections were held, but...

only ... 35 % Crimean population voted for Ukrainian independence ( balance wanted to stay Russian) under pressure 58 % voted for Crimean independence ( from Ukraine) as the next best thing. When this was not granted a compromise was reached ( backed by USA, Russia, England ), Crimea was granted an independent status ( but within the Ukrainian state). After two decades of provocation and mayheam resulting in Maidan coup d' etat in 2014 where Russian interestes in Crimea were endangered : NAMELY presence of Russian fleet in Black Sea ( the reason Russians fought many wars) ,so they annexed it since the majority wanted out from the Ukrainian quagmire anyway.....

So, what is so difficult to understand ? Crimean population voted to join Russia ( their ancestoral homeland)? So what is so undemocratic about that ?

And get this ! I am NOT pro Putin or pro Russian , I am pro Crimean populace.:thumbsup and their freedom to choose!

They are UA citizens. There was no referendum authorized by UA authorities. It was played out by Russian invasion.

The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law (commonly regarded as a jus cogens rule), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms.[1][2] It states that a people, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference.[3]

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they freely self- determinated, with a little help of "friends"
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without help, who knows, maybe they wouldnt have balls to self determinate !

Ask them what?

See dickhead, no interference. Russia invaded and forced it, stupid bitch.

my answer was to your FALSE claim :

AS for '' invasion '' , this can be debated for ever .... The population voted in favor of separation from Ukraine, then integration in Russia ....

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Look up how Holland thinks over the Ukrain, we had a referendum about it. And than the Dutch president put in an extra paragraph, after the outcome that the dutch didn't want it, that Holland won't be involved in military action. The Dutch president said that way he could sign anyway and made clear to the anti voters that Holland wouldn't join in any military action. We will soon see that is a lie. The Dutch goverment even bought jeeps for IS so they could fight against Assad.

It will be trouble in the Ukrain for the next decade. They will lose crimea to Russia in the end. (they already did).
Not that i support Russians. It is what is going to happen.

You're full of shit. There is nothing to debate. Russia invaded Ukraine.

I don't understand why did you have to referendum it at all, there was nothing about Ukraine joining EU at all, association did not mean joining - it was clear to every other EU country except Holland.

You see, you are arrogant as you think if Russia invades Holland NATO will help you. Fuck NO. Germany will join Russia and reap Holland apart.

Welcome to hybrid war and world.

nein nein nein !

We will see what it was all about and if the EU will make Ukrain join.

Many voted against the treaty because of the military integration with a country almost in war with Russia and because Ukrain is the most corrupt country in the eu. The Animal party was against cause than all animals like a lot of chicken would be exported to the eu while it didn't have the EU animal standards. The EU found that out two months ago, the animal party said it on forhand. And we know the political leaders have a big cut in the chicken industry, that guy became more rich now he dumps it in the EU. And that cost Holland already money. They produce in Ukrain. Bring it some days to Holland, and sell it in the EU. And most in Holland doesn't want more poor EU countries, so even the suggestion that the agreement it is a start to join the eu, dutch people voted against it. Just like turkye that has an agreement while hardly any european want them in the EU. Most see that as a mistake that keeps going on.

That is how most people think and why there was a referendum. That was ignored mostly. Now we see the chicken problem, the Russian / Ukrain tension is used for political goals to get Europe and the USA involved. And in the end Ukrain will be divided in 1,2,3 pieces or in ruins. The Russia standof is the best situation for this moment. At least, i think. So the provoking on all sides will keep going on for some time. I hope without a lot of deaths. And than maybe in a few years Ukrain makes an Agreement with Russia.

Do you think i would wait for NATO to help Holland when Russia invades Holland? By that time i am long gone and living on some beach. Like i am doing now. I don't live to get into wars. And certainly not for some dumb political leaders with their own agenda.

So, we see a good slice of life here. Ancient arguments, name calling, bullshit. Meaning this is going to be an action that results in belligerence on a global scale.

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so this movie wasnt based on facts ???


such a dissapointment ! I thought that the Dutch resistance in ww2 was "as strong" as French and Czech ! such a dissapointment !
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Not to worry. They claim some sort of justification with those elections, but 60% of those voting were the troupes sent in to invade. They were not wearing uniforms but plain clothes.
Not many really noticed though since most in Crimea speak Russian to start with.
It was well known even the day of the election, The population suddenly doubled. But the plain clothed troupes had been there for months as 'freedom fighters'.

It's now time to up the ante on the play. Take off the velvet gloves before they make larger moves.
And you all should know there will be larger moves if we do nothing.

Soldaat van Oranje, Orange Soldier, the most famous person in the Dutch resistance.
After the war he went to live in Canada. And he was angry cause after the war nothing changed politicaly and people that where wrong or didn't resist got the best jobs again.

The state of the military is bad in Holland. Just like before WW2. Dutch soldiers even haven't got a qualified shooting range. They had to close the last one cause it was unsafe (thin wooden fencesinstead of concrete) and a soldier got killed. And that is when they have ammunition, most of the time they have to shout Pang Pang (not kidding, a minister laughed about it cause he found that funny, while he sends troop to wars). A mortar exploded and killed 2 dutch soldiers cause the army used old second hand ones, they had to buy quickly cause they where run out. I was in military 9 months and realy, those people are so dump and stupid. Not capable of thinking themselves. People that in real life won't be able to have a good career.

So, i won't be fighting. Shouting pang-pang to some planes or cruise missile isn't smart. And why fight, they want 1 big Europe, and Russia is Europe. Than they have what they want. I was against the Ukrain treaty just for that. And if there will be a war, i would buy my own weapons, easier and better.

My brother was in Srebrenica when the enclave went down. He was in the bunker with Karremans (that guy on the picture). He had to sent the messages from Karremans to drop bombs on/near their own positions. but the France and other backed of. Another reason for me never to count on an EU army or NATO. He could tell weeks before what was happening cause he could make phone calls... my mother could hear the bombs falling when he called. but the politicians didn't know…. they say.. And that politician that laughed about soldiers having to shout pang-pang. That political party insisted that Holland would only go to Srebrenica with minor weapons, cause it was a peace mission.... the last 2 months they even hadn't gasoline or much food. And nobody thought about helping them. Children who where begging at the gates for food and they gave it to them… where was NATO? Where was EU?

So that is my advice like a said several years before. Leave, and come back in a few years. Or try making a good economy in the part of the Ukrain that is still Ukrain. It is already better i heard, know people that go on holiday there.

Why they claim that beside the majority vote, they also claim an ancestral right to self-determination. :2 cents:

You know, sometimes it's all about being less pragmatic, less calculated and more brave and emotiuonal. Vietnamese had inferior arms to USA, yet they kicked US out of their country....(and brought communism at the same time...).
Poles in 1939 were fucked by Nazis, later Soviets, betrayed by their western "allies" like France especially, yet they built their own whole Underground Country with its own structures (like schools for example - Polish people were not meant to have any education greater than first 4 classes, according to Nazi doctrine), with the biggest partisans army in ww2 (right after soviets) and were HUGE pain in the ass for the Germans in ww2...
Poster like this was simply not possible in Poland
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Of course, these days, saying that Russia will invade any country is simply a lie. They are not interested in that... What for ? Better destabilize Ukraine,its closest neighbour, spread propaganda on the west and do some business everywhere...
btw. I will watch that movie Orange Soldier, has to be interesting :>

Brave means many times you will be canon food as we call it. I haven't paid so much taxes to should Pang Pang when Holland is in trouble. They should have invested more, but didn't cause other problems costed more. But my life is more important than shouting Pang Pang. I only have been to Holland 2 months last 8 years. And why if there is a real war, why fight in Holland while there must be enough enemies living in other countries that could be targeted more easy? I see Russians, Israelians, Ukrains, Syrian people everywhere.

Good if the people try to get back whole Ukrain. But don't let the whole world get involved. What will happen than is the same as in Syria, Ukrain will be used to settle some conflicts between other countries and they will let Ukrains die to get their goal by sending weapons to rebels in Ukrain. Like Turkye, Russia, Iran, Irak, EU all fighting in Syria against assad and eachother. Nobody cares about Syria, only about their own world wide agenda. Syria / Ukrain will just be the battle ground.

Ukraine is kind of diverse and "fresh" country, with low awareness of citizen-ship spirit. This situation was exploited and now it is like it is...Dont worry, it wont get much worse IMO.
they have a great and cheap herbal vodka, just finishing one :winkwink::winkwink:

Holland sucked the plane thing deep enough to shut up and do noting, homos.

The smartest thing you said. Did. Now get the fuck outta here.

My people the funniest http://dumskaya.net/pics/b4/picturep...101_65524.jpeg

Odessa would make a deal. With anyone. Indeed. Those are your people.

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greetings from Mama :winkwink::winkwink:
deals are good ! you want to have constant war ? :winkwink:

history repeates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge..._Light_Brigade

I hope that NATO will not be that stupid, but eh, the World population needs some " pruning" so the idiots may start a 3rd WW. So, from six billion back to one, may not be such a bad idea. After all the Russians are due soon for another Great Patriotic War..:thumbsup

You don't understand my saying. Odessa would deal with anyone - means they will adjust even if Pootin invades.
They are the weak point.
And no, Ukraine does not want any deal of that type.

That was also a reason people voted against Ukrain joining. A lot of people believe Ukrain knows more than they are saying. At least they could give a warning not to fly over there.

I know you will suck Putin's cocks when he comes.

Why would he come? Much more profit for him selling us the gas from Crimea.