America's history is not Europe's history.

TM deal ties the UK until the EU gives them permission to leave, which in effect until the UK agrees to the terms the EU decides.

So how come debt to GDP has risen?

You're refusing to address why need to borrow so much? Shouldn't the rising wages of the people support the extra needs?

A little country like Czech will be happy with being part of a big club giving it money. A powerful country like the UK can negotiate better and faster trade deals for itself.

You still don't get it do you Thommy the UK wants to join leave this expensive club. If you think it's good, then shut the fuck up.

Not sure about better, but Brexit is not really about trade anyway, UK was doing well as part of a trading block, the trade bit is the only bit that works well.

You know insanity is at play when in 2018 Thommy defends Merkel, Germany, EU and mass immigration politics.

So why won't the EU give the UK a free trade deal and the EU can keep the rest?

Your answer had nothing to do with my post.

You didn't answer the question I asked you.

Because then everyone who pays more than they receive would want one.

I'm antibrexit for the selfish reason that I live in Spain, so it's a pain in the arse.
I haven't lived in the UK for 20+ years, so have no idea if the bollocks from both sides are true or not.

Brexit is a protest vote, that people didn't think would happen. It is an anti successive UK gov vote just as it an anti EU one.

It's not finished yet though, it's such a cluster fuck it probably wont happen.

this is exactly what i said. and sure they HAD to do it same as others did it other way round.

but while some see it as a comparison of standards, others see it as paternalism.

and this is probably the problem when people do not understand that a community or union consists of giving and taking.

have you been in coma when we had the financial crisis or why do you ask such silly questions?

and yes it was correct to make debt and push money in the markets but after there should be the time of lowering the debt.

ALL european countries did that - even greece, italy, spain and portugal.
and yes they are still on a high level but decreasing while trump is increasing the US debt to a new high every month.

and all he does is the opposite.
look if you can find the new import price index for US.

professionals already assumed that the import prices will decrease again -1,1% was their
guess. the reality is -1.6%. should the tariffs not make those products more expensive?
yes they do - but this bill have to be paid by the american consumers and not from the chinese.

here you see a very nice effect of trump´s trade war.
the effect is that the target countries economy will stuck. when the economy stucks the currency of this country falls. when the currency falls the products get cheaper.

and the other effect is that such a country with a low economy and a weak currency will not be able to buy products from US and this is why the exports suffer also.

so all is very logic and predictable by simply using the brain (if there is one)

did the UK have a free trade deal BEFORE the EU ?

NO !

So why should they get one after they leave?

and for what?
the UK is so strong and they paid so much in the EU that they never have to work anymore with all that money they are saving from now on.

but the truth will be as always in the middle. same as the EU deals with other non EU countries (since yesterday they have the biggest deal ever with Japan) it will be a deal on the same level. so if the UK want to deal with the whole world they simply have to give everybody 10 times more money that they can consume the goods they need to IMPORT to export to another country.

if the EU would make a trade deal with the eskimos and the eskimos buy only when the EU buys their polar bear skins , it would not mean that the people in south italy have to buy and wear them. but the sweds and the norwegians will be happy. good thanks that we have the EU from north to south and every country can deal everything with everybody because one of the EU countries will need it.

so be prepared to buy a lot of chopsticks from China to sell them in return the subsidized agricultural products from the UK.
but I think britain have to subside them even a bit more because no country in the world will pay a higher price for transportation costs just because UK trucks will wait hours at the new border to europe.

this hits the nail !

it WAS a protest and there was and is enough reason for it.

one of the main reasons is, that the EU had in fact no other rights or works to do as to define the length of a banana. and this is not because they have too much power - it is because they do not have ENOUGH power.

There are still so many inequalities and contradictory rules in the EU that one cannot really speak of a perfect community.

our industry is the best example.
when a dutchman builds porn sites, he can confidently write it on his front door. if a german, a polish or a french webmaster does it, he ends up in prison.

and because every country insists that its bans and not its freedoms flow into the EU, we have a sea of banned instead of a sea of freedoms. and yes that also annoys me !

I spent three months in the EU this summer and all I can say is, there are GOOD things about the EU (easier travel between borders, one common currency, etc) and there are some BAD things about the EU (the loss of cultural identity between countries, the ever-present threat of ultra-conservative totalitarianism, etc). So basically the EU is like everywhere else. :)

Thank God for English because the language situation over there is a total fucking mess. LOL

It's downright surreal watching people act like joining or leaving a group like the EU is like joining some sort of violent street gang. Blood in, blood out. That says more about the EU and it's nature than Britain leaving it does.

I prefer much more British "disorder" and "disunity" than your Russian "unity" and what stands behind it.

funny that Brits are one of the few countries in Europe aware of real Ruskies mentality and policies since centuries and you are SO triggered by it.
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A mess? 1'000's of years of different cultures, and you define that as a mess.

Next time stay in the US.

yup awkward moment seeing that

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Are you suggesting that more countries would decide to leave this marvellous group? :1orglaugh

Stop shifting the subject to Trump.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

You failed to address the reasons for governments to borrow so much. Why are so many reliant on Welfare?

So the EU strikes trade deals with other countries, then why do they refuse to strike one with the UK?

<sigh> so much hate and misinformation...

the good thing is: real life does not consist only of GFY right wing idiots and therefore I am pretty confident that life will go on - even without the UK in the EU.

but a lot of you need to go out more :thumbsup

they do not - you ignoramus

they will start negotiating one after Brexit

you do realize that London is the financial center of Europe and that German banks are currently in pretty poor shape, right? Just look at all the scandals and fines for Deutsche Bank (some of them involving the Trump family).

but hey, has never stopped conspiracy artists like you, right? :1orglaugh :winkwink:

What this fact also explains is why the EU needs the UK and not the other way around. Today Juncker and his anti-democratic clan again bluffed their way through the day, with May completely falling for it again.

If the UK would have said from the start: No deal, EU would have come crawling on its knees and do anything for a deal, like i said before. And this was earlier today confirmed on Sky News by a journalist being interviewed who said exactly the same.

What was also said by people not working for Sky News, but who were interviewed by them (i was amazed at how the interviewers are so extremely biased), is that the media is painting a totally unrealistic horror picture in case of a no deal Brexit. Everyone not working for the media who were being interviewed agreed that this narrative is simply false. It was quite funny to see the anti-Brexit interviewing puppets being constantly argued completely under the table by facts. They had zero facts to argue against it.

And one final thing i noticed is these anchors are constantly promoting a second referendum throughout the day, a measure that would be straight up dictatorial and insulting to democracy and all the citizens. They kept saying it every 5 minutes or so for hours. And the funniest thing when just yet one anchor said 'we see the talk about a second referendum increasing'. Yea no shit, because you are the ones doing it! :1orglaugh
It was a great lesson once again which tactics the media uses to create a narrative out of thin air.

Thats nice dear.

But have you managed to change your pants yet ?

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If they could get a free trade deal of course.

Although Germany probably wouldn't want it's own currency back, the Euro forced everyone to compete, France, Italy, Spain have no chance of competing with Germany.

lol - dude - you are a joke.

the whole Brexit campaign was one big piece of misinformation and basically the old and stupid voted against brown people.

but congrats on your paranoia, at least it keeps you busy

A no deal is going to fuck France bigtime, and with EU elections in 6 months shit's going to get interesting.

What happens when the biggest block in the EU is Lepen/Northern League/VOX/ADF/Austrian/Hungary/Polish national parties?

VOX will score big in the EU elections in Spain, atleast 15%

It was a lot more than that.

More the fault of UK government not building the services to cope with the influx of people.
Schools with too many children, not enough doctors etc.

There is a massive housing shortage in places of the country where people actually want to live.

Wages stagnating because companies just put up an advert in Poland to get 100 workers for a new factory.

UK benefits system doesn't help either, as most of the jobs that are available pay less than being on benefits.


It is not just about brown people, alot of 'brown people' voted for it.

But as every political party is pro EU, Brexit was the punishment.

Total misconception. What you're essentially saying here is the majority of the UK are stupid racists who hate brown people... that's quite an extreme insulting generalization buddy.

If sir Humphrey have read your comment he would surely set up a quango to determine the degree of your imbecility..:thumbsup

The gospel truth..and BTW you have a sense of humour of a slug.

https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/up...r6-750x500.jpg

This is a persistent feature of people who lean to the far Left.

"If i don't get what I want in a vote or election, it's because voters are stupid.... therefore, i am free from any obligation to respect the outcome or views and opinions of others".

This guy is so smug and so arrogant, it's unreal.

He starts talking about DE banks being in trouble. That was odd. I remember before the EU when the German Mark was the global standard for stable currencies, the German economy was envied and German banks were rock solid. But.. whatever. :1orglaugh

Agree, the trade deal is all that keeps the EU together.

Those elections will see a huge swing to the Right, because the Left has fucked up and refuses to shift.

Spot on. Being in the EU is expensive. Spending money the EU governments don't have is the only option. I was hoping Thommy and Stefan would say this, but they chickened out.

The EU isn't striking trade deals with non-EU countries???????? Please check you facts.

I agree with you that the EU will be forced to negotiate a trade deal with the UK, but only if the present deal is rejected. If it's not the UK needs the EU's permission to leave. They have repeatedly refused to put that in writing.

Dude there are some parts of The Netherlands where even Dutchies cannot understand what the fuck they are saying. Europe is like the Tower Of Babel with all the different languages. But most people speak ENGLISH and that's how anything gets done between nationalities. Total fucking mess. Make English the official World Language and be done with it.

PS: And can you make the Euros all the same size please? Different colors is fine but different sizes is fucking whack. Fuck your money EU (the exchange rate is also a killer at 1 euro to $1.15USD)!

Most non English speaking countries in the EU have a dialect or 2 kicking about, some even have entirely different languages. Spain's got 3 plus numerous dialects.

Even the UK is seeing a rise in Welsh speakers, as it's being taught in schools again.

How boring would the world be if everyone spoke English?

Learn another language, it's good for your brain.

The UK can afford it, it just chose to ignore it. The other problem is to build the schools/hospitals/houses they'd need another 500k Poles to do the work.:1orglaugh