Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22384882)

We are very deliberately a country run by CIVILIANS. The PRESIDENT is in charge of the military.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22384882)

Yes, Generals and military advisers always want war.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22384882)

I see ZERO reason for our people to be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria...or any other country.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22384882)

We are very deliberately a country run by CIVILIANS. The PRESIDENT is in charge of the military.
Yes, Generals and military advisers always want war.
It was POTUS in the past taking that great advice that got us into Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.

The USA is the leader. Our "allies" have been sucking off of our teat for years. Yeah...they want the United States to send our young men & women to die. Rah-rah!!! Hooray for the military!!

No...the PRESIDENT is the one that was elected by the people. Not generals. Not "advisers". And damn sure not the media who are trying to make this out as if the President is supposed to be some kind of puppet to the military.

All the liberal media outlets CHEERED when Obama ignored his generals and advisors and withdrew out of Iraq. Now they are attacking Trump for getting our military out of a country that we are in ILLEGALLY. Syria never asked us to "help" them.
They have been a Russian ally for longer than any of us have even been alive.

I see ZERO reason for our people to be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria...or any other country.

It's military and "advisers" who keep us bogged down fighting for nothing in all these country's.

Bin Laden is dead. Has been for several years now.
Sadaam Hussein is dead. Has been for many years.

So WHAT are we fighting for?
Yeah...boogiemen that the powers that be keep making up to keep us scared and keep the money flowing and the military all over the world.
:disgust

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 22385288)

Truly astonishing to see todays 'liberals / left' are against everything the real left in the era during the Vietnam war fought for: Peace and freedom of speech. Todays left is fighting for perpetual war and against freedom of speech... it truly boggles the mind and shows once again the power of propaganda.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385209)

not at all paul.

I would appreciate if the dumbfuck learned that but what you expect as a gesture of honor is not honorable.

he leaves people back who are still fighting and giving their lives against an enemy who is also the enemy of the USA.

all he found out is that it makes no sense to sell modern weapons to the saudies and than send america troops to fight amercian weapons.

he also seems to look at the oil price and assumes that it does not make much sense to fight an oil war for 46 dollars per barrel. so a good chance to send putin his christmas present.

if he would be really smart he would make this decision much slower and talk to the world before. and MAYBE he could sell it as a human act and win sympathy back.
that people praise him for something is the thing he wants most - and as he did not see this chance and use it shows me and everybody with a brain that is just a little bit bigger than yours, that this was not a plan someone thought about and check it against the consequences.

but in GENERAL i am with you when it comes to the question if it makes sense to occupy ANY country. basically it is a good thing when america starts to get the ass out of other country´s affairs and problems.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22385302)

My father died in the Vietnam war.... Fifty years ago. A lot has changed since then.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22385231)

No, this couldn't be more wrong. NO ONE WANTS WAR. Ever. No one.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22385399)

And you now want more Fathers to die fighting unwinnable wars.

Vietnam could never of been won without a Nazi or should I say pre-19th Century style occupation force prepared to kill any form of resistance. Wars in the ME cannot be won without the same tactics.

As Thommy has said these people are not educated to our way of thinking and ready to die for their freedom. Taking a lot of American lives with them.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 22384263)

This is Trump bending over for Putin one last time.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22385399)

And you now want more Fathers to die fighting unwinnable wars.

Vietnam could never of been won without a Nazi or should I say pre-19th Century style occupation force prepared to kill any form of resistance. Wars in the ME cannot be won without the same tactics.

As Thommy has said these people are not educated to our way of thinking and ready to die for their freedom. Taking a lot of American lives with them.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22385399)

And you now want more Fathers to die fighting unwinnable wars.

Vietnam could never of been won without a Nazi or should I say pre-19th Century style occupation force prepared to kill any form of resistance. Wars in the ME cannot be won without the same tactics.

As Thommy has said these people are not educated to our way of thinking and ready to die for their freedom. Taking a lot of American lives with them.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22385683)

You know the US lost the Vietnam War, right?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385419)

what is so difficult to understand ?

obama MUST, like every president, manage an inheritance he didn't create.
But he knew that he also had to represent a nation that had to act RELIABLE.

the office of a president cannot serve to change the world view of a country, especially not if after 8 years another one with different ideas leads the country.

if you apply for the position of chairman of a weapons factory then you have to live with the fact that it is a weapons factory and cannot convert it into a gingerbread factory.

the most important thing that a country in this world needs is RELIABILITY and INCASIBILITY. even if this sometimes goes against your own overdraft, such a change can only be a lengthy process and not a rash action that will not last.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 22385680)

i´m against war, but pulling all troops out is a very stupid move, giving ISIS a big upper hand, giving a very large area of land, the ability to run free, set up new hq, new defences in these areas & of course, it´s to save money for his wall, a radical idea being imposed :(

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22385683)

You know the US lost the Vietnam War, right?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22385711)

I think he was saying that we didn't win Vietnam because we weren't going to use extreme methods like the Nazi's did.
I believe he just mis-typed it. :)

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22384696)

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 22385732)

Beautiful video. We need a leader with this kind of strength in America.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385814)

so you admit you're a nazi?

btw. the "accurate subtitles" are everything else than accurate

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22385835)

Does he need to admit it? A dog doesn't need to admit to being a dog but it's obvious as hell it's a dog.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22385398)

You didn't answer the questions I asked.

But did confirm that it was good when Obama pulled troops out and bombed places in the ME but bad when Trump does the same.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385867)

true words.
but the real question is:

are all trump supporters nazis or all nazis trump supporters ?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22385231)

Civilians cannot run wars - they just can't.

Vietnam is a perfect example of this. We didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam. However, the civilian government ran this war worried about the political implications. Their goal wasn't to win the war it was to say in office. This is why politicians cannot run a war.



No, this couldn't be more wrong. NO ONE WANTS WAR. Ever. No one.

Generals don't want war. They have employment no matter if we go to war or not. Same thing with a Private. And every between them. If we go to war in the morning or not, they will both still have jobs next week.

It's the same thing with the people who make the planes and missiles and tanks. If we invade North Korea next week, are we going to suddenly put in orders for new planes? Ships? Tanks? No. It doesn't even work that way. We don't go to war and say "we need to build more ships". It takes years to build new ships, and planes. Even missiles. We don't go to war, launch two thousand missiles in one week, and say "oh, we need more". We have millions in storage "in case" we go to war.



Each country has it's own issues.

We need to be in Afghanistan. It's pretty simple. The Taliban allowed and encouraged 9/11, and after we were attacked refused to do anything about it. So far as the United States government is concerned they were a part of 9/11.

Iraq..... Iraq attacked an ally. When one of our allies gets attacked, we go to war. It's pretty simple. Obama left because we needed to leave. The Iraqi government and military had been replaced and re-created, and ISIS was chased out of the territory. There was no reason for us to stay - NONE.

Syria.... We shouldn't have gone there in the first place, but now that we are there we need to stay to finish the mission. The mission was protecting the Kurds and stopping ISIS. Your president just lied to you saying ISIS was defeated. Everyone knows that is not the case. Moments before Trump made his announcement, ISIS stated a terrorist strike. Even if they were defeated, that is only half of the reason we are there. What Trump just told the world is he doesn't care about what American policy is and he doesn't care about keeping any promises the US governemnt made....

Jesus fucking Christ Robbie... Mr. trump's chief of staff just resigned and utterly fucking slammed him on the way out. Open your eyes already. Look at what is happening. For the past two years the President has been making a complete ass out of the Untied States, shitting on all of our allies. The economy is about to take a huge crap, and nothing has been accomplished other than a tax cut for the rich and renaming NAFTA. The president is now under multiple investigations in every area of his life, personal, business, and political - and everyone involved with him is either going to jail or pleading guilty.

This is madness.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22385928)

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385871)

no i did never say that it was good when obama pulled out the troops from ME.

if he liked it or not but this inheritance was a existing mistake but not to change by getting the troops out after another president before cooked the chaos soup.

you can not change such mistakes in a few weeks. the problems that have been caused by the military intervention will stay for decades.

no US intervention have ever brought prosperity. all countries are fucked and when they were fucked the army went home.
and THIS IS what is producing the terror.
america have NEVER a mission completed - they just fertilized the countries to feed the terror.

if a country says A it MUST say B for not losing face and to PROVE that they can make things better.

trump is clue and planless - he just does today this and tomorrow the opposite.
he does not need a reason or sense. he is just playing president and checks out
where else he can make some mess.

i hope this drama will soon have an end so the world can turn to more important things than shaking heads about a stupid clown.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385986)

how could obama create ISIS ?
ISIS is existing since 2003 you idiot

and the ones trump lets alone now have lost a lot of lifes by fighting ISIS and have been attacked by the turks at the very same time.

so trump let´s the ISIS fighters alone and made instead a big weapon deal with their biggest enemy.

but i never expected that some hating neanderthal-man without a brain can get the facts.

so fuck you - fuck trump - fuck your nazi ideology and fuck your stupid lies you dumb cunt.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22385986)

how could obama create ISIS ?
ISIS is existing since 2003 you idiot

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22386020)

The USA has been doing that since the end of World War 2, with the same result every single time.

Anyone remember that Bin Laden guy? He got his start with US weaponry.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22386038)

he is not arming the enemies of the extremists he is arming the enemies of the enemies of the extremists.

the kurds have let most of them live by fighting against ISIS. they have held their ass there where no other has done it and sacrificed many lives for it.

which is now thanks to the fact that the Kurds are left to the Turks and the Turks are even supplied with the weapons.

A perfect example of how to breed terrorists. the kurds will never forget that and when such battle-tested people become terrorists it is no fun anymore.

so if you hear in the future from kurdish terrorists then think back to the day trump started to supply the enemies of the kurds with weapons. it was december 14th, 2018 and i hope the story won't be forgotten like all the other reasons that only fools weren't aware of...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386071)

So staying the fuck out and keeping out is the only viable option. As these people are not civilised enough to be trusted.

Unless you Germans want to get your hands dirty and not make deals with the Turks.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22386019)

What's wrong with arming the enemies of extremists?