I wish most of you would not treat this in normal political favor.
It seems to be in Russian/Putin interest. And Iran's.

Everyone knows we do not disengage from conflict in this way.
It leaves a power vacuum that Turkey, Russia and Iran will be quick to advantage themselves.

Turkey will begin killing the Kurds in the name of fighting terrorism. Syria is in Putin's pocket as it has been. They are going to divide up the nation. Even if they make no new border. Iran has a large presence there as well so I don't understand what they get out of it outside of influence. But don't forget both Iran and Russia have a interest in Afghanistan.
I do not disagree with a pullback or pull out. Just not in this way with this much speed.

Funny nothing has been mentioned of all the troops spread throughout Africa aiding/fighting terror groups (supposedly) so what happens to them ? Or they really only fighting/assisting just what is needed in US corporate interest.

In any case, it is my belief that Putin has made some grand bargain with Turkey and Iran and Trump has been in his pocket.
Putin fears Trump will not be in office much longer so he wanted it NOW.

There is a part of me that wants the same pull-out, but only for this reason. If those nations that have such a interest in being there will become the new target for many.
I really don't think they can afford it. We really couldn't.

But there will be no appetite for going back in with troops once we are out no matter the outcome.

But the true concerning issue is the influence of a foreign nation on POTUS decisions.
And the destruction of relationships, that for the most part, have kept the world somewhat at peace, but not without conflict. We are going to witness one of the largest power grabs in our memorable history.

Don't try to sugar coat this for your political agendas. It's that serious.

Sure some companies profit. But the Generals don't profit. The Generals and privates don't want to go to war. Ever. It's the last thing in the world they want.

general wesley clark is a billionaire he owns mining rights to most of the kosovo minerals...he is now getting an oil license as well...

They helped together with some countries to free Europe in WW II. And than they started the Marshall Plan that helped Germany to become a superpower. That might have been a mistake. In my opinion, cause merkel want a 4th Reich. Glad she is almost gone. She started to ruin Europe by inviting all the 'refugees'. And for the environment she is even worse than Trump.

Is this Syria pullout really going to happen? Everyone should just say fuck you, Mr President (making air quotes while they say it). Suck my motherfucking dick, ain't no one listetning to a fucking word you say anymore. Now go sit in the corner and suck your thumb, tiger. Hurry up before you get that fat ass paddled. Has anyone ever hit you? I mean really slapped the shit out of you and knocked a tooth loose? Do you want that to happen? Then shut the fuck up and stop farting out every stupid thought that pops into your tiny brain. We're done with you, bitch. If Twitter shut down your account you'd have zero power. You're going to prison anyway, so enjoy the butt sex.

Look at history from books not Hollywood films.

We might be speaking Russian but not German.

So the US should stay in the ME until they decide to stop killing each other.

That's the alternative.

He's a moron who forgets Japan, South Korea, Vietnam.

The ME will never be peaceful, they are intent on killing each other. So the options are try to stop as many as possible by occupying the land with troops or pulling out and leaving them to kill each other.

Pulling out means they kill less Americans.

Funny how the liberals insist Muslims are no different to Christians. Do they mean Christians of the Middle Ages?

You are the dumbest mother fucker on this forum LOL

The liberals are now in favour of America policing countries that can't act civilised towards their citizens and neighbours or is it just selective countries that get America's protection? If so what's the criteria for a country to warrant such protection? We know it took the bombing of Serbia to stop Serbs from murdering Bosnians because asking them not to kill their neighbours never worked.

Will the US troops have to work to strict guidelines or will they be allowed to use "reasonable force" when dealing with the enemy?

Is there a limit to how many American lives can be lost in such actions?

The idea of the US selling arms to either side is just one of business. The US isn't the only country in the world selling arms. https://www.businessinsider.com/top-...s-sales-2018-3 there are lots of countries who sell arms.

What other conclusion is there?

Maybe you can enlighten us.

You are the dumbest mother fucker on this forum LOL

The west:

*creates, trains, funds alquaeda and ISIS*
"look savages!"
*sells weapons, steals resources, murders millions*
"why cant you live in peace??!?"
*destabilizes entire region, sells more weapons*
"look savages!"

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and paul who gives a fuck how many USIS high school drop out paid mercenaries from the USA die while invading 3rd world farmers?...why is this even being talked about?...if they do not want their bleeding heart heroes to die maybe they should fuck off home? oh right...money to be made with invading :thumbsup

This would have some truth in it if the ME was a peaceful region before the US got involved. The truth is it's been at war with itself from long before the US was discovered.

So I'll ask you straight, should the US pull out and let them kill each other or should it try to stop them?

Britain had repelled the Nazi invasion long before the US got into WW2. Remember the Battle of Britain?

Hitler fucked up the day he invaded Russia.

Did America help to win WW2? Undoubtedly, it sold arms to the UK, then it's forces helped in the invasion of Europe. But the Russians were the main reason the Nazis lost. If Hitler hadn't invaded Germany would have had the troops to fight on one front. But Hollywood won't tell you that.

name one part of the world that was at peace at that time? oh right your selective memory is a fucking joke...

and yes USIS should fuck off home but it can not afford to...war is the #1 USA product and this will not change until people force them to change...stop pretending like peace is an option LOL

If not for America Germany would have taken Russia and then Britain would have been fucked and you would have spent your life shoveling shit in a tire factory for a few slices of bread.

and if not for russia bonobo monkeys would have raped everybody...IRL the USA was a tourist in WW2...tiny shit hole yugoslavia gave more lives than the USA...all the USA did was nuke some fishermen 2x and declare they won WW2 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what a fucking joke the USA always was :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well no shit they lost more lives, your country was taken over in a little more than a week. Like yugoslavia had anything to do with winning the war. Still driving a Yugo? :1orglaugh

you were tourists in WW2...nothing illustrates it better than: tiny shit hole "taken over in little more than a week" yugoslavia gave more lives that you did...


history according to americans: "we are such fucking heroes the world owes us everything!" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/KA...ry-of-yugo.jpg


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yugo still gave more lives than fake heroes USA...all you guys did was nuke some fishermen and declare yourselves the saviors of mankind :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what a fucking joke the USA is :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Keep telling yourself that Yugo Boy.


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i think you are right in that but do you know what the americans did in germany before they left?

and have you ever heard how dangerous Germany was for them in the first 10 years? How many british and american guys got killed from old Nazis and the Werewolf that was active til the 60s?

No you don´t know it because there was no internet and your government was smart enough not to tell you that this is happening every day when your soldiers have been there.

if they would have gone after 2 years the next hitler would be possibly a bit smarter and takes the world piece by piece.

we have a very unique education system in Germany what would not exist without america. I lived with american GIs as my neighbors til far in the 70s and Germans today are the most pacifist people with no national pride at all.
the first time when i personally saw a german flag in the window or the balcony of a house was at the football world championship 2006.
if someone would put a german flag on his house or his car before that he would be at the Nazi observation list.

And you know what: I think that was good for us. In Germany we respect individuals - no matter what they are and where they come from - we respect performance, reliability, a given word - but we are not this WE-ARE-THE-BEST-community blinded by our own national pride. and sure you can tell me that you know one that is different. YES you are right - we ALL are different and this is good that we KNOW AND ACCEPT THAT!

so i am happy that trump was not the american president than and leave the country in chaos. the only funny thing is, that americans teached us something that americans never have learned.

It is historical fact...the USA lost just as much as tiny yugoslavia...tourists IRL

My father bought a Yugo.... Brand new, about a month after purchase, we were driving down the road and the fucking steering wheel just came off in hands....

Was America very helpful in the war and afterwards? Yes.

The problem with Germans is they're blinded by blind faith that they should rule Europe. Twice Europe has been forced to go to war because Germans invaded other countries in an effort to rule Europe.

Now can we get back to the question the OP posed. American troops in the ME. Are they a permanent feature or do you some day see the ME not being at war with itself.

The problem is the United States usually gets dragged into it sooner or later.... We tried to stay out of WWII but eventually got dragged in. United States policy back then was to stay out if at all possible.

Imagine if the United States had stepped in way back in 1938 when went after Austria... Tens of millions of lives might have been saved.

There was neither public support for the conflict in Syria nor Congressional approval for it. But now that Trump has decided to pull out it's now the wrong thing to do.


People of the 21st century are absolutely the dumbest morons of history.

map of all the places where USA got "dragged" in but no other country gets "dragged" in like this, only the USA:

https://i.redd.it/kyc5wj9xm4911.png

paul you are also lack in history.

the first WW was not started by germany.
the second ww was a direct answer to the contracts of versaille - and this is why the germans fought it.

I don´t know if you ever got teached the truth but obviously not and this might be the reason why you are so blind.

if the japanese did not bomb pearl harbour hitler would not declare war to the USA.
in fact he liked the US with all it´s racism and 2 class people.
but however - I am glad that he did not win but feel sad that all his bullshit comes up now again in the world.

the world would be so beautiful if we would not have to share it with the dumbs.

Said every Nazi, ever.

australia
 

This map is completely misleading.

First, it's about military intervention AND CIA operations. Being as the CIA has operated at some level in nearly every country..... Second.... This maps makes it look like we have been to war with nearly every country. Odd, I don't remember the US attacking Australia.

At the same time look at China.... Do you know how many countries China has attacked since China has been China?

Then again look at Russia.... Russia has been involved in Vietnam, Korea, all of the countries in Europe behind the Iron Curtain, Afghanistan.....

I am not trying to defend US policy, but instead trying to explain it. We had a policy of staying out, and eventually we get sucked in. When we get sucked in "later on" after trying to ignore the problem, the problem is much worse. Again, look at WWII. Imagine if the US had stood up to Germany in 1938 and attacked then - we could have saved tens of millions of lives.

Oh so the CIA stuff does not count?...look this whole argument of why the USA is doing the world a favor by bombing it can not be resolved without the bombed parties having the "off" switch to life on earth...then one can explain to invaders that we will never ever give a shit what makes you bomb us and that it is hilarious that you even try to explain...it will be amazing at how fast invaders will gain clarity on this once the ones they bombed nations nuke up...until then invaders will parrot silly propaganda...

The USAinjects itself in every fucking conflict because war is your #1 employer and your #1 export...you can not afford peace and deep down you all know it...the USA will bomb as long as it can and you all know this...

You never cease to amaze me... lol

meanwhile...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...res-leave.html

As I have always said....

There can be no peace in the ME until those that have a vested interest in peace also are the ones fully vested in the war.

I stand by that today. You have to want peace. How much do I want it if it's always being fought by proxy.

The ME has been at war since 3150 BC with lulls of peace now and again then really picked up with more brutal war and torture in the 1600's. AD. The discovery of oil in 1908 just made things more brutal.

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