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pimpmaster9000 12-26-2018 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22386852)
The ME has been at war since 3150 BC with lulls of peace now and again then really picked up with more brutal war and torture in the 1600's. AD. The discovery of oil in 1908 just made things more brutal.

Population control

So has every other region of the world...especially white regions...

Rochard 12-26-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22386827)
Oh so the CIA stuff does not count?

Again.... The CIA operates in every country of the world. Period.

Don't like it? I am pretty confident Russia, China, the UK, and other large countries do the exact same.

Tasty1 12-26-2018 10:38 PM

The Dutch supported ISIS with Toyota Jeeps so they could kill more civilians.
It will take some years and than the (new) government will fall cause of it.
All the troops should never have entered Syria.

Assad is an asshole that killed some of his own people, but the solution was that foreign troops killed even much more people and ruined a country and a future.

And now the foreigners will bring peace? If they wanted something they had to kill Asad and the country would split in several parts. Just like now. If the foreign troops hadn't attacked Asad, he could have get rid of ISIS himself.

With the dumb leaders we have, every solution will end bad for Syria. I understand that the USA doesn't want to be the policeman. T#Why should they? But it is only a matter of time before the EU fools decide to sent troops. Too bad for the Syrian people. There is no plan.

pimpmaster9000 12-27-2018 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22386868)
Again.... The CIA operates in every country of the world. Period.

Don't like it? I am pretty confident Russia, China, the UK, and other large countries do the exact same.

yup they are a bunch of drug dealing, arms supplying, assassination planning, war mongering terrorists...I see no difference between them and common criminals...

Bladewire 12-27-2018 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22387072)
yup they are a bunch of drug dealing, arms supplying, assassination planning, war mongering terrorists...I see no difference between them and common criminals...

The difference between them and common criminals... is we Know where you live & your real IP number :winkwink:

pimpmaster9000 12-27-2018 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22387075)
The difference between them and common criminals... is we Know where you live & your real IP number :winkwink:

Take medication for your brain :winkwink:

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22386790)
The problem is the United States usually gets dragged into it sooner or later.... We tried to stay out of WWII but eventually got dragged in. United States policy back then was to stay out if at all possible.

Imagine if the United States had stepped in way back in 1938 when went after Austria... Tens of millions of lives might have been saved.

So Pearl Harbour never happened.

I sometimes wonder about how History is taught in American schools.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22386796)
paul you are also lack in history.

the first WW was not started by germany.
the second ww was a direct answer to the contracts of versaille - and this is why the germans fought it.

I donīt know if you ever got teached the truth but obviously not and this might be the reason why you are so blind.

So all those troops on the Eastern side of the trenches weren't German. Don't spin your bullshit here. The Treaty of Versailles was an attempt to get Germans to repay the costs of waging WW1. Or do you think that should of been ignored?

WW2 was a direction of Hitler and his invasion of Poland. The world had allowed him Czechoslovakia and annexing Austria. But Poland was a step too far.

He built up huge debts, for the time, rebuilding and arming Germany that had to be paid. Hitler and Stalin sliced Poland down the middle. Would Hitler had stopped with Poland, would he not have murdered 6 million Jews and all the other ethnic groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims all done with the knowledge of the German people who just ignored it.

And what has the world done afterwards? Poured money into Germany so it could rebuild the damage it brought upon itself and said to Germans "It was the Nazis who did all this so don't feel guilty." As if Nazis weren't Germans.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22386840)
You never cease to amaze me... lol

So give me your take on it.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22386852)
The ME has been at war since 3150 BC with lulls of peace now and again then really picked up with more brutal war and torture in the 1600's. AD. The discovery of oil in 1908 just made things more brutal.

Population control

Give this a prize.


Rochard 12-27-2018 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387091)
So Pearl Harbour never happened.

I sometimes wonder about how History is taught in American schools.

You ass. I've visited Pearl Harbor. LOL.

I never said that at all. I am saying if the United States had stepped in and confronted Germany before Pearl Harbor it's entirely possible that Germany would have never attacked Poland, France, and then Russia and it's also entirely possible Japan would never have attacked Pearl Harbor. (On the other hand, if the US had confronted Germany in 1938 it's entirely possible Japan would have been even more encouraged to attack the United States.)

What I am saying is this.... The United States, as one of the world's most powerful military forces in the world, can either do nothing and watch events unfold and hope they don't get dragged in OR they can try to prevent from smaller regional issues become much larger. US policy prior to WWII was do nothing and hope we didn't get pulled in. Sometime after WWII / Korea, US policy became to take action to prevent larger conflict.

I am not saying US policy is always right. Sometimes it drags us into things we do not need to be in. Some times it becomes all out war. However, an all out proxy war is much better than a world war.

pimpmaster9000 12-27-2018 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387094)
Give this a prize.


yes give it a prize for hypocrisy...what he said is true for any region of the world, your alzheimers is just too advanced for your expired brain to store this info...

thommy 12-27-2018 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22387115)
You ass. I've visited Pearl Harbor. LOL.

I never said that at all. I am saying if the United States had stepped in and confronted Germany before Pearl Harbor it's entirely possible that Germany would have never attacked Poland, France, and then Russia and it's also entirely possible Japan would never have attacked Pearl Harbor. (On the other hand, if the US had confronted Germany in 1938 it's entirely possible Japan would have been even more encouraged to attack the United States.)

What I am saying is this.... The United States, as one of the world's most powerful military forces in the world, can either do nothing and watch events unfold and hope they don't get dragged in OR they can try to prevent from smaller regional issues become much larger. US policy prior to WWII was do nothing and hope we didn't get pulled in. Sometime after WWII / Korea, US policy became to take action to prevent larger conflict.

I am not saying US policy is always right. Sometimes it drags us into things we do not need to be in. Some times it becomes all out war. However, an all out proxy war is much better than a world war.

if you see this conflict on a what would be when-view you could also say that if there would have been someone that would see that is is not a good idea to let germany pay for the first ww (what they did NOT start), take them the land away and let the coal workers freeze in winter because the german coal flows to the repair countries - then there probably wouldn't have even been a hitler.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22387150)
if you see this conflict on a what would be when-view you could also say that if there would have been someone that would see that is is not a good idea to let germany pay for the first ww (what they did NOT start), take them the land away and let the coal workers freeze in winter because the german coal flows to the repair countries - then there probably wouldn't have even been a hitler.

Who the fuck cares who started it. Germany was the main opposition in WW1.

As for saying the freezing coal miners were the reason. Bullshit. The reason was Hitler and Germany built a huge military force, built roads to move troops on, persecuted anyone it didn't consider Aryan. And a lot more things that any civilised nation wouldn't have done.

So you want Germany to be allowed to create world wars and then get lots of money afterwards.

Do you want paying for killing millions in concentration camps as well?

thommy 12-27-2018 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387173)
Who the fuck cares who started it. Germany was the main opposition in WW1.

So you want Germany to be allowed to create world wars and then get lots of money afterwards.

Do you want paying for killing millions in concentration camps as well?

educate yourself before you write BS.

i really wait for something where you have education and knowledge.

if you would ever been to school or researched a bit about the complexity of such issues you would admit already that it is too complicated for you and shut up.

every 10 years old boy have more education and history knowledge as you old fart.

thommy 12-27-2018 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387173)

Do you want paying for killing millions in concentration camps as well?

do you want germany pays the brits roayalties for the concentration camps?

you had them LONG before us and the USA too.

donīt put a finger on me - i never killed a jew and if you want to count how many million people all over the world where killed by the so called british empire - letīs make a balance you idiot !!!

no country have more blood on itīs history than the brits. so shut up you clown !

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22387115)
You ass. I've visited Pearl Harbor. LOL.

I never said that at all. I am saying if the United States had stepped in and confronted Germany before Pearl Harbor it's entirely possible that Germany would have never attacked Poland, France, and then Russia and it's also entirely possible Japan would never have attacked Pearl Harbor. (On the other hand, if the US had confronted Germany in 1938 it's entirely possible Japan would have been even more encouraged to attack the United States.)

What I am saying is this.... The United States, as one of the world's most powerful military forces in the world, can either do nothing and watch events unfold and hope they don't get dragged in OR they can try to prevent from smaller regional issues become much larger. US policy prior to WWII was do nothing and hope we didn't get pulled in. Sometime after WWII / Korea, US policy became to take action to prevent larger conflict.

I am not saying US policy is always right. Sometimes it drags us into things we do not need to be in. Some times it becomes all out war. However, an all out proxy war is much better than a world war.

If the GB and the rest of the world had got it's act together and told Germany to not spend millions re-arming to the level it had. If Hitler had been condemned instead of praised by Germans for oppressing Germans who didn't fit his Aryan model. If France, GB, US hadn't done all it could to avoid war and settled for policies of peace. Hitler wouldn't have started WW2.

Hindsight now tell us that appeasement was a mistake and all it does is allow the enemy to grow stronger.

Troops out of Syria isn't so bad. The Russians are there and they and Assad will be able to use methods the West doesn't like. The troops are staying in Iraq, instead of being pulled out which was Obama's mistake.

thommy 12-27-2018 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387181)
If the GB and the rest of the world had got it's act together and told Germany to not spend millions re-arming to the level it had. If Hitler had been condemned instead of praised by Germans for oppressing Germans who didn't fit his Aryan model. If France, GB, US hadn't done all it could to avoid war and settled for policies of peace. Hitler wouldn't have started WW2.

Hindsight now tell us that appeasement was a mistake and all it does is allow the enemy to grow stronger.

Troops out of Syria isn't so bad. The Russians are there and they and Assad will be able to use methods the West doesn't like. The troops are staying in Iraq, instead of being pulled out which was Obama's mistake.

if dumbness would be a crime you would spend your life in jail !

tell me in wich war germany declared a war against britain?

in BOTH worldwars it was britain that declared the war to germany you dumb honk !!!!
and after that you was begging the USA to help you.

the first WW was a problem of the time when inbred kings and queens came to help each other without knowing why.

that france and england have interfered at all was due to the fact that you have always been dominated by this inbreeding.

when the german soldiers came home they didn't know that germany capitulated.
and IF they would know what burden they had to carry with the contract of versailles they would all die for not let it happen
and if they hadn't had any more ammunition, they'd have bit your throat.
you would know about terrorists BEFORE the word was created.

the contract of versailles made hitler possible and NOTHING else !!!

So YOUR ancestors created him, you stupid old fart !!!

here read that

and in case this small reflection is already too much for your little brain read the last paragraph, you uneducated dumbfuck:

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World War I was a significant turning point in the political, cultural, economic, and social climate of the world. As a result of the war, the Russian Empire, the German Empire, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist. Revolutions and uprisings in the aftermath of the war became widespread, being mainly socialist or anti-colonial in nature. The Big Four (Britain, France, the United States and Italy) imposed their terms in a series of treaties agreed at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. The formation of the League of Nations was intended to prevent another world war, but for various reasons failed to do so. The rise of the Nazi Party and their central role in World War II led to a focus on how the Treaty of Versailles affected Germany, but the peace treaties in addition to various secret agreements during the war also transformed borders throughout Europe, Asia and the Middle East, with repercussions that still echo to this day.

MaDalton 12-27-2018 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22387177)
educate yourself before you write BS.

i really wait for something where you have education and knowledge.

if you would ever been to school or researched a bit about the complexity of such issues you would admit already that it is too complicated for you and shut up.

every 10 years old boy have more education and history knowledge as you old fart.

to be fair - he once wrote he dropped out of school at 13...

thommy 12-27-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22387198)
to be fair - he once wrote he dropped out of school at 13...

even long enough to know SOME facts.
so i assume he was sick in the few years before he went 13.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 08:07 AM

So two Germans are now telling us Germany was the victims in both World Wars.

thommy 12-27-2018 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387211)
So two Germans are now telling us Germany was the victims in both World Wars.

and what tells the dumb us ?

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"One may deprive Germany of its colonies, press its armor down on a mere police force and its fleet down on the strength of a power of the fifth rank. Yet Germany will last, if it feels that it was unfairly treated in the peace of 1919, to find means to force its conquerors to restitution. ...] In order to obtain remuneration, our conditions may be strict, harsh and even ruthless, but at the same time they may be so just that the country to which we impose them feels within itself that it has no right to complain. But injustice and arrogance, displayed in the hour of triumph, will never be forgotten nor forgiven. [...] I can think of no stronger reason for a future war than that the German people, who have certainly proved themselves to be one of the most powerful and powerful tribes in the world, would be surrounded by a number of smaller states, some of which were never able to establish a stable government for themselves beforehand, but each of which would contain large numbers of Germans who desired reunification with their homeland.

research who have said that. Hint is was a british prime minister

and research why your ally USA refused to sign the versaille contract
because it was inhuman and violated international human rights.

i know it hurts when you are so old and have to admit that you learned NOTHING in your life and wasted it. you do not even understand the basics from things that you want to discuss. and you will never change your mind because you are already too old to start from zero. and zero is exactly the sum of your skills and knowledge.

it is not a problem if someone is dumb. the problem is when the dumb thinks he knows how to rule the world. and all what this rules from all dumbs on this planet have in common is that they are too easy and too often proved wrong.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 08:56 AM









All the people adulating Hitler in this video. Who are they?



The Treaty of Versailles was too tough, but to blame it for the beginning of Hitler and the fanatical things he stood for is stupid. How many people were persecuted before WW2 by Germans? The night of the long knives.

The night of the broken glass.

Life Before the Holocaust.

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Schacht, among others, wanted to respond to those shortages by privatizing the rest of German industry and massively cut back on military spending. However, Hitler disagreed, and ordered Goering to have the German economy ready for war within four years - the so-called "Four Year Plan." The German economic model at this point wasn't at all sustainable, but rather than reverse course, Hitler chose to double down. He planned to deal with the shortages by eventually engaging in Raubwirtschaft - plundering nations he planned on conquering for anything of value.
There was even a plan to go to ready for war. The Four Year plan from 1936–1940 was all about building the army, navy and air force to a level that made it the best in Europe. No one does that if the intentions are peaceful.

Then German involvement in the Spanish Civil War. When the effectiveness of those Armed Forces were tested.

The guilt is for the British, American, French leaders who knew what Germany was doing prior to WW2 and ignored it.

Sarn 12-27-2018 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22387075)
The difference between them and common criminals... is we Know where you live & your real IP number :winkwink:

and you cat name!
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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22387150)
if you see this conflict on a what would be when-view you could also say that if there would have been someone that would see that is is not a good idea to let germany pay for the first ww (what they did NOT start), take them the land away and let the coal workers freeze in winter because the german coal flows to the repair countries - then there probably wouldn't have even been a hitler.

Modern green energy activists will be happy))

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387181)
...
Troops out of Syria isn't so bad.The Russians are there and they and Assad will be able to use methods the West doesn't like. The troops are staying in Iraq, instead of being pulled out which was Obama's mistake.

What kind methods? Supply weapon to isis?))

VRPdommy 12-27-2018 09:15 AM

While I applaud everyone's taste for history,
Please put it perspective to today.
Got scores to settle ? You can not control the past.

You can control the present by projecting the future from your actions today.

I see much of this and more conflict coming our way from two factors...
The artificial uneven distribution of wealth and
over population as it relates to jobs availability and you know those with the wealth are going to want to safeguard that position.

Paul Markham 12-27-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22387245)
While I applaud everyone's taste for history,
Please put it perspective to today.
Got scores to settle ? You can not control the past.

You can control the present by projecting the future from your actions today.

I see much of this and more conflict coming our way from two factors...
The artificial uneven distribution of wealth and
over population as it relates to jobs availability and you know those with the wealth are going to want to safeguard that position.

We can learn from our past.

Being nice to people who are on the path to war is never going to work.

directfiesta 01-07-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 22384260)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/u...ithdrawal.html

Less waging war is what he promised and it looks like he delivers. Unlike every other president before him. This is a milestone in the history of United States' usual policy of perpetual invasions, wars and coups. This is great news, even people on the left are probably applauding this anti war stance :thumbsup

Any comment now ?
How are you gonna spin Bolton's and Trump new declarations ?
Fake News wont do it ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rochard 01-07-2019 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22387150)
if you see this conflict on a what would be when-view you could also say that if there would have been someone that would see that is is not a good idea to let germany pay for the first ww (what they did NOT start), take them the land away and let the coal workers freeze in winter because the german coal flows to the repair countries - then there probably wouldn't have even been a hitler.

It was not a good idea for the victors to go back to Germany and demand reparations.

The second time around the Allies didn't do this. They did just the opposite. They invested money in rebuilding. The end result is stunning.

Rochard 01-07-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22387181)
Troops out of Syria isn't so bad.

LOL. Who is pulling troops out of Syria?

It seems now the United States isn't pulling out of Syria "until certain conditions are met".

Here is what happened... Mr. trump there talked to someone on the phone and right on the spot decided we needed to pull out of Syria. Mr. trump then quickly made an announcement without discussing it with his Chief of Staff, the State Department, or anyone in the military. Once his Chief of Staff, the State Department, the military, and everyone else explained why we cannot just pull out of Syria.... They started pulling back from this.

This is exactly what happens when you give a failed businessman and reality game show host the most important job in the country.

Bladewire 01-07-2019 12:37 PM

↑↑↑ Truth

directfiesta 01-07-2019 12:44 PM

wonder what this guy is thinking :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cial_photo.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Art of the Flip .....

Busty2 01-07-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22392396)
LOL. Who is pulling troops out of Syria?

It seems now the United States isn't pulling out of Syria "until certain conditions are met".

Here is what happened... Mr. trump there talked to someone on the phone and right on the spot decided we needed to pull out of Syria. Mr. trump then quickly made an announcement without discussing it with his Chief of Staff, the State Department, or anyone in the military. Once his Chief of Staff, the State Department, the military, and everyone else explained why we cannot just pull out of Syria.... They started pulling back from this.

This is exactly what happens when you give a failed businessman and FIRED reality game show host the most important job in the country.

Fixed that 4U

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...ty-apprentice/

RedFred 01-07-2019 12:46 PM

Cultists duped again!

directfiesta 01-07-2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22392402)
Cultists duped again!

... and hidding under a rock .....

Now, Bonespur is highjacking primetime TV to srell his wall ...

I hope we will sdee the chant again :

Trump: Wo will pay for the wall???
Trumpers: Mexicooooo !!!!
Trump: Who ????????
Trumpers : Mexicoooo !!!!!


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh amazing how stupid these people were and are ....

Phoenix 01-07-2019 05:24 PM

So after all the bullshit pandering did anyone figure out if there should be more war or less war?

Bladewire 01-07-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22392579)
... and hidding under a rock .....

Now, Bonespur is highjacking primetime TV to srell his wall ...

He lies about getting out of the Syria war, backtracks, then takes Americans hostage to pay for a wall that for 3 years he promised Mexico would pay for :1orglaugh

He's such an eratic morbidly obese geriatric Napoleon

RedFred 01-07-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 22392585)
So after all the bullshit pandering did anyone figure out if there should be more war or less war?


Did you figure out why you love an elderly man who paints himself orange and uses half a can of hair spray a day? And more importantly, did you figure out what ketchup is?

crockett 01-07-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22392396)
LOL. Who is pulling troops out of Syria?

It seems now the United States isn't pulling out of Syria "until certain conditions are met".

Here is what happened... Mr. trump there talked to someone on the phone and right on the spot decided we needed to pull out of Syria. Mr. trump then quickly made an announcement without discussing it with his Chief of Staff, the State Department, or anyone in the military. Once his Chief of Staff, the State Department, the military, and everyone else explained why we cannot just pull out of Syria.... They started pulling back from this.

This is exactly what happens when you give a failed businessman and reality game show host the most important job in the country.

But Red Hats and Paul have a 5 minute attention span.. It's now fact to them that troops are pulled out of Syria because Trump said so...

Never mind reality, they have a reality TV star that said so....

Bladewire 01-07-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22392603)
Did you figure out why you love an elderly man who paints himself orange and uses half a can of hair spray a day? And more importantly, did you figure out what ketchup is?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

bronco67 01-07-2019 07:06 PM

The only war Trump got out of was Vietnam. Just think about this...he could have been gutted by Charlie in some wet ditch along the Mekong Delta and we would be living in a totally different reality devoid of an idiot president and his pirate crew of grifters.


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