What approach is that? What has Australia done that sets it apart from other countries?

Nicely put... Great Post.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=bFI...19.LICxWvjU45g Something for you to read.

I high light these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austra...ion_facilities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-and-refugees

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/30...refugee-gulag/

Sorry for mistaking you for being Australian.

There's a very good reason Trump was elected. The people who do the electing are sick to death of the same old politicians, from both sides, making their lives worse and a tiny elite lives better.

There's no way a bozo like Trump would ever get elected, unless the rest are so bloody awful they did elect him. Are Americans sick to the teeth of millions of illegal migrants, losing jobs, losing wages, lowering of living standards, crime, debt, over seas wars, etc?

Well that's what the rest promised and delivered.

Trump represents

http://www.grassrootstv.org/images/n...above-logo.jpg

Will normal service be resumed after Trump or will it signal a change?

What part of Republicans are in charge of the Senate, House, and Executive Branch do you not comprehend? This is the problem with Trump tweeting, idiots believe the bullshit.

Paul, I am an Australian.

I wanted to see if you knew what you were talking about and you obviously don't as you can't put into words any of what Australia has done.

Firstly, Australia is a big island surrounded by water.

The two ways to get here are by plane and boat.

We have a problem with refugees coming by boat to northern Australia.

In response to that problem the current Government implemented boat turnbacks and moved existing refugees to offshore detention.

Boats coming to Australia have slowed, but not stopped completely.

However the majority of Australia's illegal immigrant population came here through our borders at Airports. How did this happen? People come on a student or tourist visa and choose not to leave, some apply for refugee status, more of them just don't apply for anything and live here until caught.

The USA has a similar problem, however it has land based borders which are simpler for people to cross, that doesn't take away from the fact that between 40 and 65% of illegal immigrants in the USA are Visa overstays who came in legally through a border.

A wall will not fix that problem any more than being surrounded by water fixes that problem for Australia.

Paul, I hope you learned from this that you don't know everything and much of what you do type on this forum is so completely ill-informed that you might as well just make stuff up as it would probably be just as (in)accurate.

Umm wrong again... The election promise was Mexico was gonna pay for a wall and he would make sure of it. Trump has shut down the govt because he failed to deliver on his campaign promise and is trying to make the US pay for it..

Trump wants a wall.. then he can pay for it himself or get Mexico to..

Trump can't even get his own party to pay for his wall, yet the room temperature IQ's repeat his tweets and blame Dems. :1orglaugh

but this is a description of trump. he is not interested in nothing else than himself and all those fucking elites that controlled america all the years.
he does not even try to go against them like obama did.

particially true but you kill again the wrong pig.
the problems in US are problems of the "freedom of economy".
the rich can do and get whatever they want. not even courts can help because you have to be a millionair in USA to fight a lawsuit.

the second thing is that no critics on any kind of american policy is welcome. america is always right and the hero - most get their education from hollywood.

there was always an easy way to discredit someone who tells the truth. in doubt they call him communist or terrorist and all true words are going to the wind.

look how hard obama was fight ing for thing that eben you admit as the right things. obamacare was the maximum he could get throgh and trump came to cancel this little.
the dodd franc act was also just a compromise but at least something. trump came and destroyed it.

the finacial crisis of 2008 was not a result of a low economy - it was a result of ripping off people legally.

how many times obama tried to restrict arms - who did prevent that?

america has much deeper problems than a few million illegal immigrants. this number of illegals have been in america in all times - no matter if good or bad - so WHY shall they be now the guilties?

i can not even assume how many homeowners in US would not have a home without this illegals because they can not buy one with regular workers.

he represents chaos, trade wars, debts, missing to take new exorbitant chances in new technologies, deny of climate change, white supremacy, lose of US trust worldwide, overheating a running economy into the next crash, and lies lies lies....

you better should ask how many lifes the next US civil war costs what will get fought for the hate he spread in this country.

i doubt that any president can ever fix what trump have destroyed.

So I was right, but you think I'm wrong posting links to the truth.

Are you saying that because some illegal migrants are over stayers nothing should be done about people who cross borders by land or sea illegally.
i have high lighted that seas are not a deterrent. The English Channel, the Mediterranean and now the sea around Australia. Does that mean doing nothing is the option?

So your government blocking each other in efforts to improve the lives of citizens is a good thing.

Promising to slow down migration, stop losing industries to Third World Countries, and bringing back industries shows you're wrong.


Because illegals bring crime, low wages, lower living standards, higher welfare, etc. It's not the biggest problem but it is a problem so needs to be dealt with.

So the Americans never built houses prior to illegal migrants arriving. :Oh crap



Which President didn't do that?


There you go with your hatred of Trump, after admitting the problems go musch deeper than Trump.

His election promise was to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it. Mexico refused and you see that as a good reason not to build it.

But you are willing for more illegals to cross the border and do jobs that Americans used to do and now don't because the employers won't pay a living wage, the crime that goes with it, the extra costs of welfare, schools, policing, prisons, etc.

The Wall is only one part of the measures needed to stop illegals crossing borders, but it signifies the USA is no longer going to accept illegal migration.

when did he do that - i must been sleeping.

imports are increasing under trump
more and more big players open factories in the third world
the only industry he have strengend (for a short periode) is the coal


says who ?
if THEY live in lower standards it does not effect the rest of the country.

home ownership rate in 2001 was 58,2 %

2016 it was at 87,3

don´t you call that prosperity ?

your big problem is that you do not get this big complexity in your small head and your conclusions are made from what you understand as the truth but not from reality.

the most funny is that all those countries doing the opposite of what you are proclaim doing much better than the ones doing it your way.
how can that be ?

what gives you a headache pill when you got cancer?
only the side effects ! but probably it makes the cancer growing faster.

but it really makes no sense to discuss that with you. you live in your little, strange world - far away from reality and you will never admit that you know nothing.

so who cares what you think ? god thanks you are just a talker and not a decider!

Home ownership equals prosperity you say?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ate-in-europe/

Stats for 2017

Romania 96,8%

Your own country Germany 51,4%

Good day to you sir...:1orglaugh

It's not some illegal immigrants who come through the border legally, it's most of them.

Walls, seas, dragons, fire pits or anything else you can dream of won't fix that problem.

There's no point spending billions on a wall when most of the illegal immigrants come in through the front door.

We already have 700 miles of wall at our border along all the non treacherous terrain. Paul knows that.

Paul also knows most illegals here come in via value visa they overstay.

Paul is just trolling pretending that he never absorbs any information he's given over 3 years , almost daily, about certain topics.

So the US needs someone even tougher on these points.

You're an idiot.



https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...ownership-rate

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-by-ethnicity/

Talking out of your ass again.

paul did not finish kindergarten and can not figure out how to use a playstation but he knows world history, politics and economy better than most world leaders...heres a pic of paul, del and rodney :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img...ses-846635.jpg

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/num...ly-separations

What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center

The Wall is just one measure to slow down migration. It will not solve the problem and isn't intended to.

Please don't quote that crossings are down, because they can just as easily go up again.

The 700 miles aren't working well enough. Bladewire knows that but just trolling.

so how comes that trump gave up the plan of a wall MONTHS AGO and doing instead the things bordersecurity demants for that ?

why is he still talking about a wall and even shut down the government if he already KNOWS he will got get it and it is not need?

maybe because he does not want to loose face ?


John Kelly: Trump Backed Away From the Wall Plan Months Ago | Time

and why does it look that he even changed his mind in syria because some people explained him the situation ?

is it because I AM WRONG and he listened to me ?

you forgot to change the path - he was faster than you.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/30/p...ump/index.html

i know why you like him so much - because he is the same dumbfuck as you are and knows nothing about anything.

Why does an old British guy spend hours every day pushing for a dictatorship in a country he doesnt live in? Weird.

To be fair: neither was tried yet but I like the sound of it. :glugglug

How bladewireish of you to say that but here's something funny, in Sweden he was mentioned 165,000 times in articles and on the news during 2018. In comparison the Swedish Prime Minister was mentioned 90.157. :1orglaugh

How odd that a European country so far away from the U.S. care to speak so much about Trump...:2 cents:

Do. Not. Ever. Quote. Fox. News.

We don't need to "slow down migration". Illegal immigration slowed down under Obama, and we did this without building a wall. What you don't understand is that Trump and the Republican party is screaming "We need to protect our borders" when the reality is illegal immigration is down, and building a wall would be a huge expense that wouldn't make a difference in slowing down illegal immigration. The vast majority of people here illegally actually cross the border legally and then fail to go home.

Stop listening to and reading Fox News - they are heavily biased. Look at the pure stats.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/il...on-statistics/

Arrests on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017. That is more than an 80% drop - and without spending billions and billions of dollars on a wall.

At the peak in 2005, we had over 12 million illegals in the United States. Now we have 11 million.

Keep in mind that when we say "Illegal immigration" we are also talking about Canadians, Europeans, and people from Asia.

Why is it that Democratic president did so much more to fight illegal immigration, deported more illegals then any other president, and did it with shouting about it and without spending billions of dollars for a wall?

In very simple terms a wall is a waste of money.

+1

American needs leadership, the world needs leadership. What we have is a lying child whose only interests are his ratings and his bank balance.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...466/17%2B-%2B1

Thanks to Trump NOT having a wall, Obama has workers to build HIS wall. I have no issue with Obama's wall, however. Because I agree with Obama politically. Walls are only bad if they're associated with Trump (because we don't agree with Trump politically).

Its not like Mexican wall builders would have any jobs to do in Mexico, anyway. So it good that they can come here and be hired to do those jobs.

Oh wait, what's this?

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...e4b2ce833a.jpg

Well yeah, same rights. It sounds good on paper. However, its simply a matter of: we just don't want Trump to have what he wants (because we don't agree with him politically).

I have absolutely no issue with it this wall, however. Because Trump has nothing to do with it.

if this border would work as trumper´s think it does, how does this caravan of refugees comer into mexico ?



the very best way to prevent they are coming is to make their lifes more comfortable where they come from.

Incomplete walls seem about as effective as no walls. Weird. I guess Mexico couldn't finish their wall because their workers left to the USA to build Obama's wall.

And that gets me to thinking... maybe if Trump can build just half his wall, he'd be happy and shut up about it. Because it would be equally ineffective. So everybody would be happy. Problem solved!

no matter how long this wall will be it will not be effective to resolve the basic problem. it will possibly prevent that people enter at this point but all other ways to enter the US will still be open.

MOST illegals come already other ways - the only change will be that All of them will come on another ways.

it will not keep a single illegal away. ist just costs billions to build and billions to maintain.
with the same money you can help those people INSIDE their countries and that would prevent that they are leaving their countries on whatever way.

Another cultist that is full of shit. This is Obama's house...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resiz...2UBNM5I3ZA.jpg


Trump claims there’s a 10-foot wall around the Obamas’ D.C. home. He is wrong.

You know a point is bullshit, if you have to lie to support it. lol

What is it ???/ FAKE NEWS ... You know FAKE + NEWS

You guys are real suckers ... but your low IQ and lack of education can maybe excuse it a few times... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/me...temala-border/

Look : the same picture !!!!!

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh, I have a lake to sell, right in the middle of the Sahara ... any of you cucks interested ?

The leadership you're referring to have done nothing but destabilize middle east and mixing themselves in other countries affairs...:2 cents:

looooool

Pulling numbers out of your ass again are we ?

So you are okay with locking people up for a decade without filing any charges? Are you you kidding us?

Expecting one measure to resolve the problem is stupid. No law ever resolved any problem, except those brought in by Nazis.

Will it partly resolve the problem? Well yes you even admit that. With more money flowing into workers pockets the Stat no longer has to support them.

the nazis made the problems just bigger - they never resolved anything

no it will not resolve it it will just move it to those ways that are used MOSTLY already.
the illegals coming through the south border are the FEWEST !!!

so let´s say the "damage" of all illegals is 50 billion (what is in fact not true but you will never understand this fact) per year and the wall will cost additional 50 for build it and 20 per year to maintain it it will be ADDITIONAL costs to the 50 billion.

there will be the same number of illegals coming the usual ways just the costs are higher and not ONE less will come.

even border patrol officials say that the wall will not work. they asked for other help to make this more effective. things that are MUCH cheaper and more logic.

They used water borders... :1orglaugh Next Trump will want to dig a moat..

Cost of illegal migration in the USA.

There you go pulling numbers out of your ass again.

Let's calculate what it costs. Loss of jobs, loss of wages, increased unemployment, more people on welfare, increased child care, children born, schooling, policing, prisons, courts system, internment camps, housing, social services, etc.

The worse are the effects on the labour market. Wages are stagnating at the lower end, because there are too many applying for too few jobs. So employers can pay low wages. This leads to a lower living standard, poverty and crime. But worse of all is the effect it has on tax revenues. Taxes are mainly collected from people's wage packets, smaller wage packets equals less tax revenue.

If illegal immigration was a benefit no one would try to stop it.

But just to show you talk nonsense without checking any facts.

Cost of illegal immigrants in US prisons.

Percentage of illegal immigrants in US prisons.

You can add the cost of policing and trials to the above.

Now did these bad guys all get Visas?

What website did you get the figures from claiming crossings are the smallest number of illegal immigrants?

Immigration has been down in America for years. Less work no reason to come here. Obama deported more people than Trump. Trump tells the simple people its a big problem and Dems want open borders. You so want to believe him and he is so full of shit.

He isn't draining anything, he is the same old same GOP with a big mouth. Someone who wasn't like the old politicians would have said the debt is waaay too high, the troops are all coming home the war is over. Financially it doesn't make sense. Next, we have too much debt, we are cutting back programs and raising taxes. Also, Social security is going to be a problem I'm taking off the ceiling on it. Now the factory worker and the billionaire will pay for on every dollar they make. Also no more capital gains, you make money on it its income. You pay the same amount whether it's from working or trading on your portfolio. Also, I'm throwing out the lobbyists, all of them. They don't service the American citizen's needs.


That would have been draining the swamp but he creates even greater debt and is profiting off of his position. And the people that vote against their own best interests will keep doing, somehow they are stupid enough to think he is one of us. lol A trust fund baby getting a salary since he was 3 yrs old.

Also how they thought a man who went bankrupt more than once was good for the economy. lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.99747ab1e450