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Paul Markham 01-01-2019 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22389124)
Do. Not. Ever. Quote. Fox. News.

We don't need to "slow down migration". Illegal immigration slowed down under Obama, and we did this without building a wall. What you don't understand is that Trump and the Republican party is screaming "We need to protect our borders" when the reality is illegal immigration is down, and building a wall would be a huge expense that wouldn't make a difference in slowing down illegal immigration. The vast majority of people here illegally actually cross the border legally and then fail to go home.

Stop listening to and reading Fox News - they are heavily biased. Look at the pure stats.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/il...on-statistics/

Arrests on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017. That is more than an 80% drop - and without spending billions and billions of dollars on a wall.

At the peak in 2005, we had over 12 million illegals in the United States. Now we have 11 million.

Keep in mind that when we say "Illegal immigration" we are also talking about Canadians, Europeans, and people from Asia.

Why is it that Democratic president did so much more to fight illegal immigration, deported more illegals then any other president, and did it with shouting about it and without spending billions of dollars for a wall?

In very simple terms a wall is a waste of money.

Please don't quote that crossings are down,
because they can just as easily go up again.

thommy 01-01-2019 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22389139)

Oh wait, what's this?

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...e4b2ce833a.jpg

Well yeah, same rights. It sounds good on paper. However, its simply a matter of: we just don't want Trump to have what he wants (because we don't agree with him politically).

I have absolutely no issue with it this wall, however. Because Trump has nothing to do with it.

if this border would work as trumper´s think it does, how does this caravan of refugees comer into mexico ?



the very best way to prevent they are coming is to make their lifes more comfortable where they come from.

MFCT 01-01-2019 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22389148)
if this border would work as trumper´s think it does, how does this caravan of refugees comer into mexico ?



the very best way to prevent they are coming is to make their lifes more comfortable where they come from.

Incomplete walls seem about as effective as no walls. Weird. I guess Mexico couldn't finish their wall because their workers left to the USA to build Obama's wall.

And that gets me to thinking... maybe if Trump can build just half his wall, he'd be happy and shut up about it. Because it would be equally ineffective. So everybody would be happy. Problem solved!

thommy 01-01-2019 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22389157)
Incomplete walls seem about as effective as no walls. Weird. I guess Mexico couldn't finish their wall because their workers left to the USA to build Obama's wall.

And that gets me to thinking... maybe if Trump can build just half his wall, he'd be happy and shut up about it. Because it would be equally ineffective. So everybody would be happy. Problem solved!

no matter how long this wall will be it will not be effective to resolve the basic problem. it will possibly prevent that people enter at this point but all other ways to enter the US will still be open.

MOST illegals come already other ways - the only change will be that All of them will come on another ways.

it will not keep a single illegal away. ist just costs billions to build and billions to maintain.
with the same money you can help those people INSIDE their countries and that would prevent that they are leaving their countries on whatever way.

RedFred 01-01-2019 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22389139)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...466/17%2B-%2B1

Thanks to Trump NOT having a wall, Obama has workers to build HIS wall. I have no issue with Obama's wall, however. Because I agree with Obama politically. Walls are only bad if they're associated with Trump (because we don't agree with Trump politically).

Its not like Mexican wall builders would have any jobs to do in Mexico, anyway. So it good that they can come here and be hired to do those jobs.


Well yeah, same rights. It sounds good on paper. However, its simply a matter of: we just don't want Trump to have what he wants (because we don't agree with him politically).

I have absolutely no issue with it this wall, however. Because Trump has nothing to do with it.


Another cultist that is full of shit. This is Obama's house...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resiz...2UBNM5I3ZA.jpg


Trump claims there’s a 10-foot wall around the Obamas’ D.C. home. He is wrong.

tony286 01-01-2019 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22389194)

You know a point is bullshit, if you have to lie to support it. lol

directfiesta 01-01-2019 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22389139)

Oh wait, what's this?

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...e4b2ce833a.jpg

Well yeah, same rights. It sounds good on paper. However, its simply a matter of: we just don't want Trump to have what he wants (because we don't agree with him politically).

I have absolutely no issue with it this wall, however. Because Trump has nothing to do with it.


What is it ???/ FAKE NEWS ... You know FAKE + NEWS

You guys are real suckers ... but your low IQ and lack of education can maybe excuse it a few times... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/me...temala-border/

Look : the same picture !!!!!

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On 26 August 2015, the Facebook group “Americans for Common Sense” posted a photograph purportedly showing a fence built along the border between Mexico and Mexico’s southern neighbor, Guatemala. The image was accompanied by a query about why it’s not “racist” for Mexico to build a fence to keep Guatemalan immigrants out of their country, but it presumably is for the United States to construct a similar obstruction to prevent Mexicans from crossing the border into the U.S.:
:1orglaugh

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The query is moot, and the picture is irrelevant because there is no wall along the Mexico-Guatemala border. Most of that frontier consists of rain forests, mountains, rivers, lakes, or other natural barriers, and few of the sections passable by foot or automobile include any walls or fences:

Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala is notoriously porous. Unlike the U.S.-Mexico border, which is sewed up with a massive fence and guarded by armed border agents, drones, and cameras, Mexico’s southern border is almost imperceptible.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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The proffered picture displayed above therefore does not show the border between Mexico and Guatemala. Ironically, it depicts a fence along the boundary between the United States and Mexico in southeastern Arizona.

The photograph was taken by Matt Clark and published to the Defenders of Wildlife Blog in 2013. While the image is frequently passed around online in reference to arguments about immigration, Clark originally shared that photograph (and others) to illustrate how a border fence affects wildlife:
Oh, I have a lake to sell, right in the middle of the Sahara ... any of you cucks interested ?

DraX 01-01-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22389128)
+1

American needs leadership, the world needs leadership. What we have is a lying child whose only interests are his ratings and his bank balance.

The leadership you're referring to have done nothing but destabilize middle east and mixing themselves in other countries affairs...:2 cents:

thommy 01-01-2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22389220)
What is it ???/ FAKE NEWS ... You know FAKE + NEWS

You guys are real suckers ... but your low IQ and lack of education can maybe excuse it a few times... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/me...temala-border/

Look : the same picture !!!!!



:1orglaugh



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



Oh, I have a lake to sell, right in the middle of the Sahara ... any of you cucks interested ?

looooool

DraX 01-01-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 22387874)
he sounds like a baby in a push chair not getting his toys...


honestly, you´re mental if you can´t see what 80% of the world can!


We´re laughing at Trump and the 50% US trump loving idiots! :1orglaugh

Pulling numbers out of your ass again are we ?

Rochard 01-01-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22388050)

So you are okay with locking people up for a decade without filing any charges? Are you you kidding us?

Paul Markham 01-02-2019 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22389176)
no matter how long this wall will be it will not be effective to resolve the basic problem. it will possibly prevent that people enter at this point but all other ways to enter the US will still be open.

MOST illegals come already other ways - the only change will be that All of them will come on another ways.

it will not keep a single illegal away. ist just costs billions to build and billions to maintain.
with the same money you can help those people INSIDE their countries and that would prevent that they are leaving their countries on whatever way.

Expecting one measure to resolve the problem is stupid. No law ever resolved any problem, except those brought in by Nazis.

Will it partly resolve the problem? Well yes you even admit that. With more money flowing into workers pockets the Stat no longer has to support them.

Paul Markham 01-02-2019 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22389256)
So you are okay with locking people up for a decade without filing any charges? Are you you kidding us?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=cs&...21.QXpqW-MqK20

thommy 01-02-2019 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22389564)
Expecting one measure to resolve the problem is stupid. No law ever resolved any problem, except those brought in by Nazis.

the nazis made the problems just bigger - they never resolved anything

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Will it partly resolve the problem? Well yes you even admit that. With more money flowing into workers pockets the Stat no longer has to support them.
no it will not resolve it it will just move it to those ways that are used MOSTLY already.
the illegals coming through the south border are the FEWEST !!!

so let´s say the "damage" of all illegals is 50 billion (what is in fact not true but you will never understand this fact) per year and the wall will cost additional 50 for build it and 20 per year to maintain it it will be ADDITIONAL costs to the 50 billion.

there will be the same number of illegals coming the usual ways just the costs are higher and not ONE less will come.

even border patrol officials say that the wall will not work. they asked for other help to make this more effective. things that are MUCH cheaper and more logic.

crockett 01-02-2019 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22388032)
What approach is that? What has Australia done that sets it apart from other countries?

They used water borders... :1orglaugh Next Trump will want to dig a moat..

Paul Markham 01-02-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22389587)
the nazis made the problems just bigger - they never resolved anything



no it will not resolve it it will just move it to those ways that are used MOSTLY already.
the illegals coming through the south border are the FEWEST !!!

so let´s say the "damage" of all illegals is 50 billion (what is in fact not true but you will never understand this fact) per year and the wall will cost additional 50 for build it and 20 per year to maintain it it will be ADDITIONAL costs to the 50 billion.

there will be the same number of illegals coming the usual ways just the costs are higher and not ONE less will come.

even border patrol officials say that the wall will not work. they asked for other help to make this more effective. things that are MUCH cheaper and more logic.

Cost of illegal migration in the USA.

There you go pulling numbers out of your ass again.

Let's calculate what it costs. Loss of jobs, loss of wages, increased unemployment, more people on welfare, increased child care, children born, schooling, policing, prisons, courts system, internment camps, housing, social services, etc.

The worse are the effects on the labour market. Wages are stagnating at the lower end, because there are too many applying for too few jobs. So employers can pay low wages. This leads to a lower living standard, poverty and crime. But worse of all is the effect it has on tax revenues. Taxes are mainly collected from people's wage packets, smaller wage packets equals less tax revenue.

If illegal immigration was a benefit no one would try to stop it.

But just to show you talk nonsense without checking any facts.

Cost of illegal immigrants in US prisons.

Percentage of illegal immigrants in US prisons.

You can add the cost of policing and trials to the above.

Now did these bad guys all get Visas?

What website did you get the figures from claiming crossings are the smallest number of illegal immigrants?

tony286 01-02-2019 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22388804)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/num...ly-separations

What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center

The Wall is just one measure to slow down migration. It will not solve the problem and isn't intended to.

Please don't quote that crossings are down, because they can just as easily go up again.

Immigration has been down in America for years. Less work no reason to come here. Obama deported more people than Trump. Trump tells the simple people its a big problem and Dems want open borders. You so want to believe him and he is so full of shit.

He isn't draining anything, he is the same old same GOP with a big mouth. Someone who wasn't like the old politicians would have said the debt is waaay too high, the troops are all coming home the war is over. Financially it doesn't make sense. Next, we have too much debt, we are cutting back programs and raising taxes. Also, Social security is going to be a problem I'm taking off the ceiling on it. Now the factory worker and the billionaire will pay for on every dollar they make. Also no more capital gains, you make money on it its income. You pay the same amount whether it's from working or trading on your portfolio. Also, I'm throwing out the lobbyists, all of them. They don't service the American citizen's needs.


That would have been draining the swamp but he creates even greater debt and is profiting off of his position. And the people that vote against their own best interests will keep doing, somehow they are stupid enough to think he is one of us. lol A trust fund baby getting a salary since he was 3 yrs old.

Also how they thought a man who went bankrupt more than once was good for the economy. lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.99747ab1e450


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