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thommy 01-02-2019 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22388349)
Trumps top priority to get out of.. not resign or renegotiate just leave. he did it day 3 of his presidency... and now has farmers on welfare ;)

he will even have more on welfare soon because now the worst consequence of his silly trade wars starts as china growth is decreasing.

the worldwide stock markets fell today because of this because china was the economic motor in the past 10 years.
if china fails the whole world gets in trouble but the world will find a way to fix it again and the world will not forget WHO caused the problem.

up to here all was just peanuts - the heavy part comes now.
and it will cost millions of jobs in the US and worldwide. no jobs - no buys - no trade.
the country what REALLY can not stand that is the USA.

well done mister bankruptcy.

thommy 01-02-2019 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22388532)
US sanctions against Russia gives them than they lose part market and receive the competitor :)


How an Oil Giant (Russia) Came to Dominate Wheat
Russia, a leading exporter of crude oil for decades now, is increasingly dominating another critical global commodity. Its output of wheat has surged in recent years as good growing conditions boost farmers’ profits, allowing them to reinvest in better seeds and equipment. As low oil prices hurt the ruble, making grain more alluring for overseas buyers, Russia grabbed more of the wheat-export market from major shippers like the U.S. This is particularly welcome news for Russia as it tries to cut its dependence on agricultural imports, after it banned imports of some western foods in retaliation to sanctions imposed over the annexation of Crimea.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-quicktake-q-a

we donīt import it because we are afraid it is doped same your sports idols.

2MuchMark 01-02-2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22389249)

It's been 2 years- how much longer are you going to wait?

2MuchMark 01-02-2019 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22389289)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

thommy 01-02-2019 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22389563)
I post the truth and all you can say is this? :upsidedow

How fucked up are you?

Over the last 50 years we have slowly given away the one thing that made us better than Third World countries. We have allowed Third World countries to over take us. This has cost us jobs, incomes, taxes and an overall decline in living standards. Google these links.

US poverty rate.

US living standards.

UK poverty rate 2017.

UK living standards.

This has led to a growing rise in the Far Right, because people see liberalism as failing them. I don't defend Putin so you're lying there. I have defended Trump on occasions and still think the man is a Bozo. But he stands for measures to put America first on trade and migration. You must stand against such measures.

the basis mistake you make is that you do not see that we all need thosw "poor countries" to buy our stuff.

if you would come up with your solutions GLOBALLY and not as a national issue, some of your ideas would even work.
but you can not think that this will ever work as an exclusive solution for just one little community that is not even representing 5% of the worldīs population.

how dumb do you think is the rest of the world ?

thommy 01-02-2019 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22389671)
It's been 2 years- how much longer are you going to wait?

what i canīt understand about the whole saying is the "again". i would like to know what times he refers to. prosperity has grown everywhere over the last 500 years - so WHERE EXACTLY should we go back and FOR WHAT?

thommy 01-02-2019 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22389281)
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...lance-of-trade

Click the Max button at the bottom. This is what your esteemed leaders and politicians have done to America, Decades of decline. They represent peoples job, income support for families. The size of your welfare bill is the result.

In FY 2019 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and local — is “guesstimated” to be $1,179 billion, including $721 billion for Medicaid, and $458 billion in other welfare. There is the reason for so many government debts.

what do you think will happen in a country where people are not forced to have a health insurance?

a. young people will think they never get sick.
b. if the start to get sick they will not see a doctor as long it is time.
c. when it is too late the community have to stand the medical costs on low level - people will just stay sick alive but will never be cured.
d. a person without a job will not only need medical care - they need to eat also

so at the end of the day nobody saves anything when there is no obligation for health care and no stop to exploding priced of drugs.

you forgot to mention that the lowest point in this stats is now when your emperor did what you think it is right

same thing and all here with a brain told you BEFORE !


aha and this numbers from 2014 what are showing an INCREASE of exports.
i can not remember for now WHO was the president than... it was not trump - his name started with an OOOOOOOOOOO

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Blaming only Trump for this is idiotic, it's been growing for decades and no one until Trump has said it must stop or at least slow down.
who else you want to blame ?
he is the one who did everything wrong and all what you see now is a direct result of his stupid policy.

in not a single year before the USA made more new debt as in the trump years. how comes when the economy is booming?
and why is the increase of GDP exactly as big as the new debts?

if you own a shop with small revenue you can go to the bank and ask for a loan.
with this loan you buy your own products and you can go to the bank again and show them HOW MUCH more you made and they will give you more money.
HOW LONG do you think this will work ?

Grapesoda 01-02-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22388154)
Trump pulled the US out of the TPP because it was a "bad deal".... now US farmers are about get fucked all over again.

#morewinning

American farmers are facing the "imminent collapse" of key markets and fear uneven trade playing fields as Australian, Canadian and other rival nations take advantage of the soon-to-be implemented Trans-Pacific Partnership.

After President Donald Trump withdrew the US from the TPP on just his third day in the White House in 2017, the States will be left on the sidelines when the re-shaped TPP-11 comes into effect 12am on Sunday AEDT.

Australia, Canada, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand and Singapore were the first nations to ratify the agreement, formally titled the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement. Vietnam, Chile, Brunei, Peru and Malaysia are set to follow in coming months

US farmers, already hit hard by Trump's tariff battle with China and the lack of a free trade agreement with Japan, are bracing to immediately lose market share.


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/us-farme...pp-boosts-aust

only fear mongering my man... have fun

thommy 01-02-2019 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22389694)
only fear mongering my man... have fun

...says the personal body slave of the fear mongering king...

Sarn 01-04-2019 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22389178)
So your admitting American trade policy has fucked themselves in the ass and on all accounts the major benefactor was.. Russia
I noticed that too ;)

USA buy in debt, "USA allies" sell for moni)) it leads USA into bankruptcy.
benefactors it

US Trade Deficit by Country, With Current Statistics and Issues
China - $636 billion traded with a $375 billion deficit.
Canada - $582 billion traded with an $18 billion deficit.
Mexico - $557 billion traded with a $71 billion deficit.
Japan - $204 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.
Germany - $171 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit.
https://www.thebalance.com/trade-def...county-3306264

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22389669)
we donīt import it because we are afraid ...

:1orglaugh
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thommy 01-04-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22390540)


look - even the dog likes merkel more than putin.

but i am sure he can stand that because he have 144 million more dogs that do what he wants (plus one in the white house)

thommy 01-04-2019 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 22388459)
Keep in mind that when resources aren't leaving the US, prices go down for US consumers. We saw this with natural gas. It was dirt cheap and then they built up the infrastructure to put it on the global market and prices have since gone way up.

Look for food prices at the grocery store to go down.

do you even have the smallest clue what it means when prices go down because of the missing demand ?

seems not. and this is why uneducated idiots should not be allowed to vote or spread their poison from one idiot to the next.

thommy 01-04-2019 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22389563)
I post the truth and all you can say is this? :upsidedow

How fucked up are you?

Over the last 50 years we have slowly given away the one thing that made us better than Third World countries. We have allowed Third World countries to over take us. This has cost us jobs, incomes, taxes and an overall decline in living standards. Google these links.

US poverty rate.

US living standards.

UK poverty rate 2017.

UK living standards.

This has led to a growing rise in the Far Right, because people see liberalism as failing them. I don't defend Putin so you're lying there. I have defended Trump on occasions and still think the man is a Bozo. But he stands for measures to put America first on trade and migration. You must stand against such measures.

paul please do yourself the favor and educate yourself at least in the basics of economy.

1. all your stats and numbers, that you do not understand) are mirroring only ONE THING: PROSPERITY !!!

2. prosperity today is a very other thing as prosperity 50 years ago. the human brain obviously can not remember the bad things but the good ones.
how many televisions did you have 50 years ago? how many cars did you drive and HOW LONG DID YOU HAVE TO WORK to get that.

3. you seem to think that wellfare and healthcare is lost money - but it is NOT you dumb.
actually the poorest people are the ones that give all they have back in the money circle, simply because they can not save money.

every dollar paid on wellfare and healthcare goes directly into the income of a taxpayer.
so it will COME BACK - and THIS IS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF MONEY !!!!!

but tell me what comes back from the taxpayers money when it is used for a bomb dropped on a foreign country ?

imagine when we come to the point when 80% of the work is automized.
HOW can such an economy work?

it can work with HIGH TAXES.
this taxes have to be spend to the ones that do not own a company for buying products.
the sense of any kind of production would be gone if there is nobody who can afford to buy.

so wellfare and healthcare is an economic booster and not the end of economy !
it is the REASON for taxes and community spendings. if that would not be the case and the world would be ruled with your little brain, you would be sitting alone at the end at the monopoly and all your streets and houses would not feed you.

Sarn 01-04-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22390556)
look - even the dog likes merkel more than putin.

but i am sure he can stand that because he have 144 million more dogs that do what he wants (plus one in the white house)

Trump comrade good president, I don't know why you not like him :1orglaugh

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venus 01-04-2019 12:05 PM

trade with china had to be addressed, it was and has been unfair to the US and past presidents have refused to do anything except complain that it was unfair. Did you see the chinese general the other day say that china could resolve americas problem with the south china sea by simply sinking a pair of US aircraft carriers and killing 10,000 americans...honestly we should not even have trade with china.

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22388224)
The best part is we had those market shares now Trump started a Tarriffs war so they replaced our product with others. Even if a new trade deal is hammered out, the market share is already gone so to get it back new deals would have to be cut by the sellers and buyers meaning most likely the farmers get fucked again even if they can get the market share back..

Trump has fucked the US.. the meat industry alone has said they expect to lose a billion dollars in sales over the next 5 years due to exports lost from the tarriffs..



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