The money is in motion

I think the issue with Paul lately, for some, is he basically rejects anyone's claim that they're making money if they're not a tube.

When people take the time to explain how, he argues with them and rejects it. It seems Paul has a fundamental disrespect & disbelief for anyone still making content and making money without a tube.

I lobbied for Paul to be unbanned for over a year and I'm glad he's back. It is easy to see how, after a lot of effort some take to explain things to Paul, that they get fed up and write him off as irrelevant. You can only be called a liar so many times before writing someone off. Respect is a two way street.

I love it when Paul tells us stories of his life, current & past. Great stuff! But when he talks about the current state of things he always gets it wrong and refuses to absorb what's going on currently.

a) Just because I'm not currently involved doesn't mean I still don't know whats going on. Its part of the reason I still frequent this board.

b) "Business side" might have been the wrong term I used. Maybe I should have said "Marketing side". Fair enough.

c) No, as a middleman I can have my own content created to promote someone else's product. Not all products in adult are paysites.

d) I generally don't try to be dismissive and I respect the experience Paul has. However, respect is also a two way street. When somebody doesn't reciprocate respect, I rescinder mine. In this case, Paul has been on a rampage of preaching what he THINKS the industry is like and takes into account absolutely nothing of what other people are saying. If calling him out on it makes me come across haughty and gauche, then so be it.

Fair enough - I can respect your opinion that way.

The tubes have been the biggest game changer in a long time, are they unfair? yes, do they allow stolen content? yes can you use them to make money in a legal way? yes.

who gives a flying fuck if the content of a website that an affiliate promotes is from paul markham, walt disney or from an amateur that produced it????

and as i repeated many times here they are producing in a day more than the good old industry did in a year.

they are also using the tubes to promote their names and their content and they are glad to give this content fro free and not have to pay for it.

just because a part of the machine have changed for something more effective the producers of the old parts can not tell us that the machine is not working anymore. because WE KNOW IT BETTER but they don´t know a shit because they are retired or out of biz because they were beaten.

so shall we trust the numbers we see or someone who was unable to adapt new things and went out of biz because his profits went to hell ?

That;t what they have to do. Otherwise they would be admitting they cut their own throat.

Did NoWhErE move from job to job because he was a success in one, or forced to by industry changes.

I was so successful shooting porn I never had to move.

To give up a job that was making me a lot of money and fun, plus naked horny females, :1orglaugh . For a career building, running, shooting for my own paysite, then dealing traffic, affiliates, etc. All in the hope it would make me more money than I was making. Another stupid idea. If I could have found a guy to take that on and do it well, then it would of happened. I know someone who can build a site, running it would be easy, but affiliates. They were a problem and I found no one who could deal with that side.

When you start off with a lie, I stop reading. :321GFY

So a Jack of all trades and a master of none.

I began my real career selling office furniture to multi nationals in up to 7 figure sums, then moved into advertising, then into porn production/selling. I know a lot more about marketing than most here. Dissecting demographics, knowing what turns people on, catching their attention, drawing them in, etc. It's not what most here call marketing, the dissecting of stats and just collecting traffic in any way possible.

I have always maintained that giving away a product endlessly kills a % of sales. And none of you can disagree with that I hope. The more you give away the higher % you lose in sales. Justifying by saying Data and Ad sales replace the money lost is stupid. In fact very very stupid.

Any site can carry Ads and collect data. Even paysites.

So what do you need to sell a paysite membership? Nothing more than a link to a tour. At the most a single picture. The problem arises with the constant piggy back game we played. We started off with Newsgroups, then link list, then TGP, the video TGPs, then blogs, then small Tubes with compressed scenes, to today. Where we have millions of scenes given away in good quality, certainly better that some years ago, stealing such a high % of sales that the industry is declining.

I know there's nothing to be done about it, until Governments step in, but don't spin crap and BS that you're all making more than you would be selling porn to the 100,000,000 who are getting it for free. Because you can stick ads and collect data on any site.

The question is can the industry make as much money as it would by selling paysite memberships?

You ask that as if you didn't know people pay to subscribe to Pornhub.

You know that Pornhub has been conditioning surfers to pay for porn for years now... right?

None of the above.

I didn't move around from job to job. I started in one field (production) and purposefully moved to another because:

a) Even though I was really good at production, I loved working in marketing more
b) I was really good at marketing
c) For the lifestyle I want, marketing was a much better fit and more profitable than production.

Industry changes had nothing to do with it. It was all a 100% personal choice.

Of course I know and don't suggest I don't to enforce your lies about me.

I'm asking if as many buy memberships if we didn't give it away?

So you're still doing marketing. Is that online traffic driving or real marketing? :1orglaugh

Some would argue that they are both the same.

However, to answer the question in your specific format: both.

You're confusing me with someone else. I never lie about you. I'm one of your strongest defenders.

I'm not sure how much time you spend on tubes but there is a limited amount of content there. It's not limitless. People pay for new content and to see more of a studio they could only find one, or a few, videos from on a tube.

I'm not going to explain the intricacies of modern day tubes to you they've been explained to you ad nauseam, in great detail, by myself & many others here over the last couple years. We are past the days where tubes have hundreds of new stolen studio videos a week uploaded. A lot of people don't want the user generated crap on tubes and are starving for unique pro am / professional content that the tubes don't make.

It's too late to school Paul M . . .

To Paul
If no one is buying porn , why am I shooting almost everyday for pornstarplatinum.com and teemskeet? We just love throwing money away i guess/

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Heads up: Paul is an award-winning troll.

that should be a lifetime archivement award

Who said no one is buying porn?

Yes you do. Do I need to post links to your lies about me?

https://gfy.com/22399091-post36.html

https://gfy.com/22399081-post33.html

https://gfy.com/22399094-post38.html

This is from just one thread. You lie by not adding this is your opinion and not fact. I'm not pro-Putin or Russia, I am anti the EU because of reasons I've made clear, I'm not even pro-Trump. He's a fucking mess, yet he does have a few good ideas. Getting China to balance trade with the US, stopping as many illegal immigrants as possible, getting Europe to pay more into NATO, which is happening.

On his tax laws I'm split. Big companies pay a huge amount of tax in many different ways, cutting corporation tax is one way to encourage more into the US. They also employ millions another upside, even though they are in the business of cutting labour. Still the more businesses that are in the US is good for Americans.