Gee...
I wonder why putty deems it as a threat ?

NATO really stands for keeping borders as they are, preventing a powerful neighbor from invading a weaker one. And mainly centered around the idea that a attack on one member is a attack on all.

The largest non member abuser lately has been putin.
hmmm.....

Must be some kinda a rocket science ?
Who gets hurt in having a alliance ?
Who can get hurt in not having one ?
The best problems to have are the ones that never happen.

Good luck with that

russia being the largest non NATO offender in no way deducts from serial invader USA being by faaaar the largest member offender...

"alliances" are nothing but a protection racket that perpetuates the travesty of conventional warfare...it is a rigged game that the small can never win...it keeps the oppressed bent over for ever and in protection rackets lead by the bigger players who all have "good intentions"...I have no illusion about americans, you guys will murder 500.000 people like in iraq over a lie and then you will just ignore it and not punish anybody and pretend you are the leaders of the free world...I have no illusion about russia...they are just like you...cripps and bloods...

what I can hope for, before small countries nuke and bacteria up and make invaders fuck off, is that the current oppressors get beat by new ones and we get a 50/50 coin flip...with americans we, the 3rd world, will always be serfs with US installed puppet governments and potential cannon fodder for the next fake invasion...with russians it is a coin flip...and those are the best chances we have had in ages...russia does not invade like you do...its very very simple for us...

the only good thing about the USA is that it has made conventional warfare a non option for small countries...this will speed up the non conventional fight for freedom...in the end america will bring freedom to the world by forcing people to nuke up...I can not wait :thumbsup

OK im am off now to look for invader spies and to cheer the pooty!


https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1...GTAs0CQgCBoTAB

naive :1orglaugh

Trump wants Europe to pay more for NATO to protect Europe. This is a good idea, but the anti-Trump brigade can't see it.

europe has nukes it does not need protection...nobody is planning on invading europe...it is in nobodys interest...NATO is a protection racket and europe should develop "OFF" and lave it to others to save their own lives and not invade :thumbsup

just want Europe to pay more for him :1orglaugh

Hmmmm.....
I thought this was about NATO ???
I do not agree with much of what happens by directives of stupid politicians in the US.
I'll spend my efforts correcting that before I spend any to remove a alliance that has prevented much war and tragedy in the world that becomes very hard to measure.

It's like asking how much didn't you bleed because you were never cut.

It's quite easy to see the motivation and source of anyone wanting to destroy / remove / limit NATO.

There... so if you really want to propaganda public opinion to make a case against NATO, that is what you are up against.... you better get better at what you are doing !

if trump would only invest the half of what europe is spending in PREVENTING wars it would be a much better idea.

but unfortunately this budget does not appear in the defense budget - even when it is a much better defense.

is this some kind of national sport in Serbia ? Our other beloved poster from this Emperium claims to walk the streets of la capital and search for muslims. and document their presence with photos.

Well, hunting for spies is a progress comparing to his hobby, but still...:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

http://albumwar2.com/wp-content/uplo...6/08/00481.jpg

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He's shell shocked, uncircumcised & has had penises in his butt in prison (his words) :2 cents:

conventional warfare is nothing but a scam...it keeps the military industrial complex nice and fat...I understand that members of the NATO gang think it is "preventing" things but the invaded countries do not agree with the "good intentions" of invaders...

from my 3rd world perspective, anything that makes the gangster alliance weaker is more than welcome...who gives a fuck if it protects the west or not...the west gives 2 shits about the 3rd world anyway...our only option is to wait for nukes and/or bacteria to become the norm in warfare because conventional warfare is not an option for us...until that glorious day when we become free, anything that upsets any gangster alliance is a god send...

I have no ill will whatsoever...I went to cheer my hero and protect from spies :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

How do you measure how much you did not bleed when you have not been cut ?
I have seen no valid argument to state the harm in a alliance...
And can clearly see the benefits. Understanding that nothing is perfect.

You will need to find some other disinformation that works better than you are using.
You are unconvincing. But I'm open for valid argument.

Some of us do promote changes in how we in the US deal with the 3rd world.
Yes, there is room for improvement. Mainly because of corporate interest influence within government officials. You know the same stuff that happens in Russia, but with fewer players.

The guy who says he hates populists and then supports the original populist. So glad I left Eastern Europe. That place will always be a shit hole because it's filled with guys like him. Just drinking their lives away. The retirement age in Russia BTW is now higher than the average life expectancy for men. LMAO :D

why do you need an alliance when you have nukes?...exactly...you do not...everybody leaves you the fuck alone...you either have an explanation on how one would attack a nuked up country or your argument for conventional warfare is invalid...the dude with "off" needs no allies...he has "off"...

conventional warfare is a protection racket...the big players have a vested interest in it staying this way...there is no disinformation from my side, it is the cold hard truth: the weak get fucked until they nuke up...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the enemy of my enemy is my friend...you would do the same...for example if daquan does not want to leave you alone but glock boi is his enemy then glock boi is the one you are rooting for...the lesser of 2 evils...once we nuke up then both daquan and glock boi can fuck off...

Poor poland :1orglaugh
you homeless too ?))

What is Europe investing to prevent war with anyone?

So Trump is not the only one who doesn't understand how NATO works..

So how does it work oh wise one. Tell us all how the funding works to protect Europe from it's neighbour Russia. Or are you just another mindless fool who is anti everything Trump does, good or bad.

i would write an answer but since you usually don't read or understand anything that doesn't fit your views, it'd be pointless.

also large amounts of articles and videos have covered this and still you parrot Trumps false narrative

anyways - just click on anything here

https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...hrome&ie=UTF-8

NATO is a good thing.

Common sense.

Strength in numbers.

If the past pro Putin president hadn't put a hold on the Ukraines NATO enrollment they'd be protected by NATO now.

Putin hates NATO

And than Europe would be in war to protect the most corrupt country cause they didn't play their cards well. No Thanks. What is next, protect Taiwan against China? Who will sent the troops and take the costs?

Russia is more corrupt than Ukraine

Yes, and now Ukrain is their problem.

Like you said, first they where friends of Russia. But when they thought they could get more money from Europe, they knocked on that door. And what happens in 10 years, knocking on Russia's doors? Holland signed the Ukrain Agreement, but mentioned that Holland won't be helping when a war starts. Or at least, they need to get a majority first in the government.

Holland was against the Ukrain deal, one of the reason was that Holland was afraid Ukrain would dump all their tortured chickens on the European market while not having the same animal welfare. And gues, while Europe said it won't happen, it happened. Look who is the owner of the biggest chicken farms in the Ukrain.. So first fuck us, and than expect us to protect Ukrain against Russia. Why?

We have our own Crimea (De Krim) in Holland.

https://media.dumpert.nl/foto/0201fd62_b782L6K.jpg

You have made no case against a NATO alliance no matter any tid-bit bitter truths might be there.
It should not bother any nation who has no wishes take advantage of any single nation.
While not being perfect, I see no better alternatives.

Don't tell me the problem, show me a better way.

Ukraine is not a NATO member, Taiwan is not a NATO member - it's awesome how people throw nonsense around they don't even understand

Who said Ukraine is part of NATO? I don't see

there are MANY things done individually by country.
germany is financing the most of the refugee camps outside of europe.
financing schools and help industry.
without that help the africans would already run over europe because they don´t even have enough water to survive - we help them find water and building an economy that can feed them in a few decades.

but apart from that there is also a EU project called WOSCAP.

i am sure you do not search for something like that as you are only interested in the fake information that fits into your brain.

you would also never search for innovations of the porn industry as you would not stand it to see that you failed miserably.

you only believe in stuff that make others guilty for your own inabilities.

I am pretty sure that you even lost the sponsoring of your GFY account for this reason as a company that sponsors you will not see any advantage in that.

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the majority of these problems were created by NATO

Actually, Ukraine was never considered for future NATO enrollment, but some had mentioned it as wishful thinking, but putin feared it anyway.
There was some agreement during the break-up of the Soviet Union and NATO expansion in certain areas. Obama was only honoring those. Something we should now reconsider.
For the same reasons, since the US/UN previously recognized the boundary in Crimea, we were limited to the response.

Personally, I think it is very clear the NEW COLD WAR has begun and all the sanctions that applied to the Soviets should now apply to Russia until they change their way or fix their democracy, which is wholely owned by a handful of neo-capitalist.

We can see the neo capitalist work their way worldwide including the US. But in Russia, less than a dozen persons control 99% of the wealth.

It all reminds me of the drug cartels sweep into power with money corruption over the governments for which they worked within. Spreading their power and influence.
It has destroyed most of South and Central America and in the US as well.
Corruption is a silent killer till they actually take power.

Unregulated GREED will destroy anything good that any nation can build and do so with much more ease that it took to build it. You only have to do nothing but look the other way while it happens around you till it's to late.

Yes they were/are

Expansion of NATO

Ukraine's present and future relationship with NATO has been politically divisive, and is part of a larger debate between Ukraine's political and cultural ties to both the European Union and Russia. It established ties to the alliance with a NATO–Ukraine Action Plan on 22 November 2002,[66][98] and joined NATO's Partnership for Peace initiative in February 2005.[99] Then in April 2005, Ukraine entered into the Intensified Dialogue programme with NATO.[50]

Ukrainian NATO relations

Ukraine applied to join the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3]

Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which pro Putin Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5]

Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6]

The interim Yatsenyuk Government which came to power, initially said, with reference to the country's non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.[8]

Just because you apply for it, does not mean it can be granted.
Gee wiz, after the cold war, there was even talk of possible NATO membership for Russia.
The idea started and was contained in Ukraine. And probably would have been done if putin sat on his thumbs.

Putin knew exactly what he was doing in any case. Stopping at all the right places.
Putin may have had some good reason for fearing this since, as I remember it, there was some other nation that was suppose to be off limits but was granted membership.


Can you see the build in propaganda right now for the break-up of NATO.
Putin figures he has but a short time left to do his damage using Trump.
It will get worse yet before Trump is out on his ass.

Thats because Trump is bullshitting you. He says that this is the reason. The real reason Trump wants out of Nato is because Pooty is asking him to do it.

one more idiot who doesn't know how NATO works...

NATO has said specifically that Georgia & Ukraine will become a part of NATO. It's not like it's some kind of useless pipedream lol They're in the accelerated MAPS joining process now.

Expansion of NATO

"After some debate among members at the summit, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer declared in a press conference that Ukraine, together with Georgia, would someday join NATO."

Regardless, yes, it's going to get much worse before it gets better. Putin wants to get as much as possible out of lame duck Trump before he totally loses what little dwindling power he has left.