i think he does not even know what NATO is.

but thanks to trump he is not the only one.

As Trump comrade will say - such will be work :)

Yes you are correct in the 'present' time frame.
I have been referring to it as it was when Russia was planting it's seeds in Ukraine and later smudged it's way over to Crimea. And don't forget they were considering becoming part of the EU. So, I am understanding of putin's fears. Just not his actions.
There is a history lesson there that is not being told for a better understanding of how we ended up in that mess.

I'm all for NATO but it is true that we seem to use it outside of the boundaries created and often complain about it until it fits our need/wishes. That is something 'we' need to fix, but not change the foundation of purpose.
When you take opioids for a headache, sooner or later something bad is going to happen.... ie Iraq, now Syria, Iran etc / power vacuum and struggle for influence.
When we went into Iraq the first time, that had fit the principles of what NATO stands for defending the nation they invaded.
The second time (our invasion) was dead wrong under any terms. You can't have principles only when you want them if they are to mean anything.
There is a lot of criteria to be met for membership, including spending a certain percentage of GDP on defense, making resources available to the group, etc, and many don't want to pay that price, they just want defended by membership.
Kinda like buying into a McDonalds Franchise.... you can't just do a one time buy-in LOL, there are continuous terms to meet.
The current thinking that is outside of intent is to use NATO to prevent Russian expansion.
That is OK by me as long as you don't change the rules for membership.
Not a lot of progress will likely be made for as long as trump remains.

an alliance is implied weakness...pooty has the off switch to life on earth...does pooty need allies? fuck no...aint nobody going to invade russia EVER...the problem with alliances beyond the above mentioned protection racket is its obvious perpetuation of the problem by means of banning effective defense weapons..."off" is very very good at stopping any sort of invasion...it guarantees you will not be invaded...therefore it is completely detrimental to any plans racketeers have...it is the end of war...

one will naturally argue that if everybody has "off" humanity will wipe itself out, but I argue that if the weak can not persuade the strong to leave them alone even under the threat of mutual destruction, then fuck it there is something wrong with us...invading countries do not have the right to expect safety...

alliances promote further wars by making people go the wrong way...you do not need large armies...you do not need heavy weapons...all you really need is others to consider your tiny country as the sacred land...the ones you dont fuck with...the ones whos name you do not mention in parliament because it is forbidden...is that not beautiful?

So you are ignorant to Putin's allies Turkey, Syria, Yemen, China, etc. Got it

So you think Putin is weak now according to your own logic "an alliance is implied weakness"

sorry but you really need to ask your boss for English lessons

reading problems boy, I asked "does pooty need allies?" he naturally does not...he is however a racket service provider and therefore has bitches...china is different they are just buddies but do not need each other...either of them can make the invader pay DEARLY...

You said "an alliance is implied weakness"

PooPoo has allies he desperately needs in Turkey, Yemen, Syria, China, etc.

You think PooPoo is weak according to your own words & logic.

talking about the NATO and trump´s funny idea to leave the NATO we should first look back WHERE it came from and WHY.

NATO was installed at the behest of america to have a defensive wall against the russians in europe.
So actually the west has protected the USA because the bombs would have fallen on us first.

in addition, NATO is not an association or federation. it is a mutual promise of help by nations that have their own military (except island which is a NATO member but has no military and therefore no military expenditure).

Just because the US has a defence budget that reflects almost half of the world's defence spending does not mean that every country has to do throw it´s prosperity into a war that is not present.

russia, for example, spends 66 billion on its military - why 700 billion or even 1 trillion (what is the complete budget of all NATO countries)?

aidsbrain, you can nitpick the peanuts out of my shit, and there is a difference between need and have...he is a racket provider and has bitches...like the USA does not need allies...it has bitches however...the weak ass euro army means shit...aint nobody gonna invade the USA ever...what a fake ass "alliance"...bitch euro countries need to grow some big hairy balls and acquire "off"...what a bunch of weak ass bitches...they DESERVE to be bitches...I hate to admit it but it is so...

PooPoo needs Turkey for it's ports. PooPoo needs China for it's imports. The list goes on. Go clean your ass the PooPoo sperm inside you makes you stink.

Wrong...turkey needs to live and do biz...china needs the trade as well...you are confused...biz interest are not the same as needing protection...

Pooty can ban the west from mentioning russia and the west would oblige...a country with off needs allies like a chicken needs tits!

You suck at spinning the truth

e pluribus unum

Not to worry.
He is just practicing a argument before he uses it in other spaces.
As was I for a while to keep the main question 'on point' because his is a unwinnable argument. So he changes the argument.

Union = remain weak...fight with bows and arrows...next time some thug assaults you in the street you attack him with a spork!...then run to your anti bullying group...fuck that...you pull out the mother fucking hand grenade...you explain that you are the grim reaper and that you have an incredibly itchy bomb finger...

Trying to complicate this is futile...it is super simple...do not be weak...

Now come the opinions of people who live in nuked up countries thinking we should remain bent over relying on the kindness of others...yeah fuck that LOL...let me know when you denuke and get rid of your dedicated invasion fleet and start acting like switzerland...dont forget to vote in an ex mercenary for potus!...

Alliance...what a crock of shit extortion racket...

I aint joining no cripps!...fuck that!...cripps can join the "we want to continiue to exist" club...sacred land...the forbidden land...free to go its own way...like a wild horse...running free on the beach at sunset...with a nuke...

e pluribus unum = from many, ONE (like from 50 small states comes one nation)

Kinda like the European Union that putin also can not stand.

Kinda goes with 'together we stand, divided we fall'
and 'there is strength in number'

And that is what NATO is all about.

And putin fears power in number in any form that keeps him from his dastardly deeds.

Putin sure is expelling a lot of effort trying to derail and dissolve any union of any kind.

To look at it even for the less educated...
if putin does not want it then it must be good for the rest of us. It is what ails him.

I do not trust an alliance that sits idly by while one member murders 500.000 people over lies and then everybody pretends nothing happened...most of them watched it as entertainment and cheered...like always...

why be a serf when I can be a giant?...e pluribus unum was before nukes or bacteira...if you have the power to end all then there is no reason to rely on anybody...I aint joining no cripps so that bloods leave me alone...Imma wave my nukes all over the place and make everybody run away in panic...when gangsters learn to behave I may or may not chill out...probably not :2 cents:

I don't trust my government nor anyone else's.
Blind faith will get you killed.

Any unwatched unregulated entity will soon advantage themselves.
That said, it does not mean I need to fight them all out of existence.

The best, lasting change comes from within.
To make change alone is almost impossible. You form alliance with others.

And I really don't know where anyone gets the idea that anything can be perfect or without problems.
A better society requires constant work to thwart those that would do it wrong.
The lazy only complain and deserve to suffer. They place the blame solely on others.

no I do not trust westerners...it goes without saying that I do not trust their governments as well...very few of you have any problems with us 3rd world folks being invaded...I will trust americans when one of your gangster politicians starts talking about invasion and you guys hit the streets and start violent demonstrations against war and burn some government buildings down....I will trust the west when you stop glorifying your paid mercenaries...when being a former paid thug is not a desirable trait for a future president...but war is too deep in your culture...

trust me on this: 100s of countries in the world would jump at the opportunity to be free from your bullshit politics...your own personal safety is as important to us as second hand toilet paper...it is the least valuable thing possible...I can not begin to imagine anything with less value...

First article I read. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/11/p...ner/index.html

Second article I read. Donald Trump Says NATO Allies Owe the U.S. Money. He'''s Wrong | Time

Third articleI read.

Trump disagrees with the way NATO is funded and it's clear he is right. With other rich and poor nations all dodging their commitment.

This is why. https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/10/...try-by-country

The EU has committed to raise more in the future.

Exactly. That's why nations not contributing to the cost need to step up.

So Germany is inviting immigrants in, without checking them, then decides it's vote loser and decides to unload them onto countries who don't want them.

Then it's drilling for water in areas where the biggest problem is over population.

It's building the economy in Africa, so they can feed themselves. Will that mean more German jobs going to Africa?

Africa is a lost cause until it severely limits it's population. Europe was starting to do it, until it decided to let in cultures that have no intention of birth control. I've explained this to you many times but it fails to sink in. The industrial revolution was a game changer, machines started to do the work 10, 20, 50 people do by hand. Population size has no effect on economies. In the 21st century it's even more obvious. Output is everything, whether one man or 1,000 or millions turn it out.

However damage to the land is something that's directly linked to population size.

Trump is a business man, he goes into negotiations playing hard. I very much doubt he will ever leave, but he wants Europe to pay more to make sure no bombs land on it first.

You are a fucking idiot

:1orglaugh
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67938428.jpg

here is my ideal alliance...it is exactly what the invaders do not want you to have and it is completely detrimental to their rigged conventional warfare game...so it becomes your duty to do exactly the opposite of what invaders want...why pay for protection when you can make others pay you to leave you alone? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...x2-700x467.jpg

all this effort and still you miss the same main point as Trump - the NATO has no bank account where members send money.

the 2% guideline has been accepted, members are working towards that - suddenly Trump brings up 4%

the thing is: besides the US no country is willing to spend that much money on fucking military - rightfully so.

Also: people (like you) complain about higher taxes - where the fuck do you think the money for military spending comes from?

What are you willing to sacrifice for that? The low cost healthcare that saved yours and Evas life? The free education for your daughter? The inexpensive and perfectly organized public transportation?

What, Paul? What are you giving up on or how much more are you willing to pay to buy more weapons? Tell me.

if every nato partner would spend EXACTLY the 2% it would be less not more you donkey

sadly birth control was not existing when you was made !

he is well skilled in bankruptcy !

what a stupid moron are you ?

if just ONE bomb (what costs less than a million) lands on us no fucking army will help us anymore.

i did never hear that a shirk brain can shrink more but you prove the opposite.

Paul Markham supports a vulnerable & weak EU, UK, Canada & America

so do I :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yes but you are a brown uncut Muslim, Paul Markham is circumsized & white.

Delusional invader ambassador gets roasted by the entire population of serbia:

https://twitter.com/usambserbia/stat...21158908780544

delusional klingon ambassador: 10 years since the invader embassy in serbia was burned down and a life was lost and more than a million dollars damage and nobody has been held accountable

reply: you should see what some savages did to the chineese embassy in belgrade, you would be amazed (americans bombed it)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

more proof that we should nuke/bacteria up right away...americans are too delusional to even function normally...their double standards are bigger than the known universe and expanding at speeds greater than light....

Americans bomb us but expect us to arrest people who burned down the invader embassy while they were bombing us AND their ambassador complains about it in serbian and tweets it to serbs...at the same time, america bombs the china embassy in belgrade by mistake and never pays a dime...crippety cripp! Cripp cripp hooray!

Dont forget to pay your protection money...not that they would actually die for you if pooty really wanted to invade, but they will cripp you if you dont pay...or you can actually grow some balls and develop the big boys toys...

And you leave the country to lazy to rebuild that's how much you care about Serbia :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You don't even care about your people you just use them as an excuse to trash America all day everyday.

Delusional invader, I am under no obligation to clean up your shit...your american brain actually thinks that I will remain in the warzone you created to play your little war games...you...just...dont...get...it...

You are a loyal cripp...ill give you that...your brain is devoid of any critical thought against the gang...crippety cripp!