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Axeman 01-18-2019 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22399468)
This is not true at all. In fact, I've stated before on GFY that I am for a wall.

I am also dead set against illegal immigration. If you are caught in the United States illegally, you should be arrested. However, my local police department - which at any given moment has three or four officers on duty - cannot afford to spare police officers to handle federal crimes. Larger cities - such as Oakland, California, or San Francisco - shouldn't be required to devote 10% of it's budget and hundreds of officers to handle illegal immigration. These are federal issues, not to be handled by local law enforcement. This is why the FBI doesn't come to my hometown and hand out parking tickets - it's not their job.

What I don't want is a failed businessman and former game show host telling us he has a "one size fits all" solution that costs hundreds of billions of dollars that will not be effective. We don't need to be spending tens of billions of dollars in areas where there are few illegal crossing. This money would be much better spent where the problem is - near large population centers and ports of entry.
your point about local police being charged with the job, is something I agree with fully. So when I read that, I get confused that you are against federal spending to lock down the border, so that the resources are not required by local police. Spend to get the illegal crossings down to a trickle with a wall, tunnel detection technology, better detection scanning at the ports of entry. Frees up ICE and border security officials and immigration judges to actual start making a difference. What is more efficient? Spend the money up front and at the source of the issue in a contained space, or have to have 100K federal ice officers chasing down everyone in all corners of the country? Pretty obvious to me which way is better, cheaper and more effective use of resources. But no doubt I agree that local police should not be tasked with trying to enforce federal offenses. Way too much strain on the local level.

Again, a moot point as the powers that be, don't want it to happen. They just give lip service that they do.

Bladewire 01-18-2019 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22399479)
Every time I see this picture I think, WTF were they thinking..
It happened 6 years ago and they abandoned the vehicle when they saw border patrol approaching :1orglaugh

Watch the first video until the end and see another vehicle that had a built-in ladder that was successful in going over the border wall lol

Axeman 01-18-2019 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399483)
Most illegal immigration is people coming into a country legally and then overstaying.

It's true for the USA and it's true for Australia.

We have a great big bloody sea around our entire country and we still have illegal immigration.

If spending billions of dollars on a wall that won't work is the way some people think this will be fixed then they're seriously lacking in intelligence.
It would greatly reduce one of the sources of problems and resources. But yes people flying in and overstaying is another issue. Which requires a whole lot of resources to enforce that businesses are using the e-verify and doing random checks, and making sure that the punishment for business that skirt the law are punished hard.

Illegal immigration is a multi faceted issue, and you'll never get 100% at stopping it. But there are many more things that are available to greatly reduce it. IMO anyways.

NoWhErE 01-18-2019 06:05 PM
Anytime I hear that a massive wall would actually help against illegal immigrants, I think of how this would put an end to all that hard work.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130123233849

Axeman 01-18-2019 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22399491)
Anytime I hear that a massive wall would actually help against illegal immigrants, I think of how this would put an end to all that hard work.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130123233849
Hahaha god I love that show. First 3 seasons especially. Though the season 4 remix version was pretty good too.

BagOfDirtyAssholes 01-18-2019 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399483)
Most illegal immigration is people coming into a country legally and then overstaying.

It's true for the USA and it's true for Australia.

We have a great big bloody sea around our entire country and we still have illegal immigration.

If spending billions of dollars on a wall that won't work is the way some people think this will be fixed then they're seriously lacking in intelligence.
It's something like 42% here. So that means almost 60% are coming over our borders. A wall is just part of a multi-facet approach at stopping it.

Bladewire 01-18-2019 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22399491)
Anytime I hear that a massive wall would actually help against illegal immigrants, I think of how this would put an end to all that hard work.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130123233849
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They have bucket trucks too

AdultKing 01-18-2019 06:16 PM
A wall needs to stop at coast line right?

What's going to stop people getting on boats and going around that way?

Bladewire 01-18-2019 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399497)
A wall needs to stop at coast line right?

What's going to stop people getting on boats and going around that way?
Nothing to stop them.

We get illegals entering our coastline in boats, and abandoning their boats on the beach here in California daily, just like Florida does with Cuban illegals :2 cents:

I made a sarcastic post earlier that we need a wall on all of our thousands of miles of beaches... to be "secure". We should be consistent right?

If we can secure our countries coastline with the coast guard in the oceans then we can secure our land border with tech and boots on the ground. Common sense.

AdultKing 01-18-2019 06:36 PM
I'm also wondering why Trump didn't get the wall pushed through when the GOP had control of both houses. Trump could have had funding for a wall a year ago, did this so called emergency just happen?

Axeman 01-18-2019 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399505)
I'm also wondering why Trump didn't get the wall pushed through when the GOP had control of both houses. Trump could have had funding for a wall a year ago, did this so called emergency just happen?
You need 60 votes in the Senate to get it through.

BagOfDirtyAssholes 01-18-2019 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399497)
A wall needs to stop at coast line right?

What's going to stop people getting on boats and going around that way?
We have the coast guard. What, do you think we're just going to abandon the border because of [insert whatever reason]?

Bladewire 01-18-2019 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399505)
I'm also wondering why Trump didn't get the wall pushed through when the GOP had control of both houses. Trump could have had funding for a wall a year ago, did this so called emergency just happen?
Because IQ45 is not a good negotiator and because 12 fiscally conservative Republicans in the senate voted NO on vanity border wall funding multiple times.

The Republicans never supported the border wall funding. This is why they've waited until Democrats took power in the house to try and blame the Democrats for no border wall.

it's just another of many cases of Republicans playing dirty politics and lying to their constituents.

GAMEFINEST 01-18-2019 07:30 PM
Trump doesn't understand the Wall at all

Paul Markham 01-19-2019 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22399330)
What's the point of spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a wall that anyone can just dig under or go over... We can spend hundreds of billions of dollars and it won't change a damn thing.
It will make it harder for illegal immigrants to walk across the border.

Paul Markham 01-19-2019 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22399412)
Did they carry shovels a thousand miles? Or did they buy them at Home Depot?



So.... We need to build a wall, and it needs to be deep. Then we need detection to make sure no one digs a tunnel. Then we'll need some kind of a system to see when they are climbing over the wall. Even then, after all of that money, we'll need armed patrols twenty-four hours a day because if someone does go over or under the wall, they will be long gone after the border patrol arrives.... And even if we had armed guards every few hundred yards we still won't be able to stop them because when they come 376 at a time, they will quickly be able to overwhelm the small amount of guards when they get there.

Don't get me wrong here... I am all for border security. We have walls where we need walls. We have fences where we need fences. We have vehicle barriers where we need vehicle barriers. But there is no need to be building more walls that they will easily go under, over, through, or around... That's a waste of money.

Some 376 people just tunneled under the wall at seven different locations in one day. Pretty much makes a wall pointless.
Are you for spending more on Welfare, schooling, healthcare, policing, etc. All because of the high numbers of illegal immigrants?

Paul Markham 01-19-2019 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 22399483)
Most illegal immigration is people coming into a country legally and then overstaying.

It's true for the USA and it's true for Australia.

We have a great big bloody sea around our entire country and we still have illegal immigration.

If spending billions of dollars on a wall that won't work is the way some people think this will be fixed then they're seriously lacking in intelligence.
The difference is quality. People coming in across the border aren't the same calibre as people getting a visa and over staying. Are you for AU stopping illegal immigrants in boats or not?

AdultKing 01-19-2019 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22399701)
The difference is quality. People coming in across the border aren't the same calibre as people getting a visa and over staying. Are you for AU stopping illegal immigrants in boats or not?
See that's the big myth. It's not illegal to seek asylum or refugee status in Australia.

Boats are not illegal immigration, they're just a way for refugees to come here and seek asylum.


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