What makes you think a god came out of a bunch of nothing?
How would that happen?

God always existed. Didn't come from anything, was always there. That's kinda the whole point lol.

I knew very few math guys who were religious. They all shared the same ability to be very hard to work with and would often rally against a group decision based on feeling.
Never understood it to be honest.
I much prefer the Dragonlance series of books to the bible, quran, harry potter or lord of the rings. I mean have you guys even read Ringworld?

Yes, people from the Islam world are so damn smart, that they would still be riding camels and cutting heads off (oh,wait!) if someone on the other side of the world didn't create combustion engine. That engine is not created from nothing, it is a result of knowledge,mining, math, physics and chemistry research, development, planning, exploration and answering to questions and eons of slow progress and evolution. Exactly what religions don't like to hear and see .

Who told you that? Where is he now? Please leave his contact. Skype, ICQ or even his URL with a contact form.

If you are ready to believe in that "statement" of yours. it is your choice. Frankly, I don't even bother to talk with religious people, I consider them extremely stupid.

Look around the room you are in.

With their imagination, a human, created everything surrounding you. The walls, the windows, the clothes you wear, television, computer, phone, electricity, satellites, spacecraft, books, bible's, quran.

God has no human constructs, all religions are a human construct.

For many, religion is the very first step to finding God , not the only step. People move beyond the human construct of religion to embrace and understand the life force around us. If you cling to a book & words & schedule you're not clinging to God, you are clinging to humanity.

We're all living in a simulation.

Created by whom? For what reason?

I guess nobody is going to answer the question. Humans don't create anything. We manipulate what already exists. Scientific fact.

Who is the creator? What is the creator?

None of you will answer, because it's scientifically impossible.

Fun?

Seriously though consider this.

Do you think video games will be developed that will be indistinguishable from reality? If that's a possibility then throw AI into the mix. Would an AI video game character subject to the laws of physics and whatever other laws are placed into the virtual world know that it was in a virtual world? Does an autonomous neural network know what created it and for what reason?

If any of the above is possible then it's also possible we just live in a simulation.

Like I said, I respect y'all opinions. But damn, if you going to call religious people names for having faith in God, and pass yourself off as a genius for having faith in an unproven theory that makes no sense... There's a problem.

Yo mamma!

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^^^if you can't answer that, you probably shouldn't be calling people stupid lol.

That is logical.

You are a logical man.

You say it's scientifically impossible to explain or prove the creator.

Yet you define yourself in the human construct of religion to connect with the Divine. It's like trying to connect with nature by watching TV. Breaking from religion is like moving out of your parents house.

I walked down the path one day last summer and saw a big beautiful butterfly flying toward me 3 feet away. I put out my arm and finger out as far as I could reach, and after a few moments, she landed on my finger and connected with me for almost one minute. That is God and that is humanity connecting.

Things can just be, for no reason or explanation. Particles appear and disappear without a discernible reason. Unless the laws of physics don't change and unless humans escape this solar system then we're all going to die out. Then this discussion is moot.

is your irrational belief that it must be some supernatural power who loves to rape young girls that is fascinating. while it is is more likely that various building blocks are just common as they are easy to grow many places.

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Not being able to understand or simply dismissing explanations already given so many times doesn't mean they are untrue. It is your own stance.

Luckily, the majority of the world is not led by religious people. Otherwise, we would all live like your guys in deserts, praying x times per day. If humanity listened to religion, we would put all books on fire, beat females church accuse they are witches and we will still believe that earth is flat ( I know, 25 % of GFY believe in the last one).

Even if you do not have a current explanation to some question, a person has to be seriously dumb to think it is a god's work. Imagine people only a few hundreds of years seeing people flying, doctors replacing hearths, using video calls on mobile phones, people sending live streams from space or even having light without putting fire. Every single of these examples would be interpreted as God's work, of course, by dumb people not being capable to understand anything beyond blind worship of old stories and legends.

Next time when you get ill, go to a mosque or church for the help.

God works in mysterious ways...

I mean, really mysterious ways..

so mysterious in fact,...

that it looks exactly like normal, everyday random chance and that there is no such thing as the "will of God"

Lol, I'm going to hold my tongue and respect Paul's wishes to keep the insults out.

I don't know anything about a super natural power who rapes little girls. Seem most of you have either dealt with religiontards, have no idea what you're talking about or are just hateful people. That's your right, so have at it.

Anybody that wants to have a civilized conversation, holla at me.

I will point out the fact that, for example squealer for instance, supports the fuck out of trump... Yet trump is a Presbyterian. That's proof squealer ain't really against religion or religious people, he's just a hateful islamophobe.

There can be no real conversation with him in this topic. And he's not the only hopocrit in this topic, but I'ma keep it civil. It's nice proving who the real hateful hipocrits are lulz.

Ignore them. They believe in the stuff in this video below... another shallow human construct....

I misspelled the fuck out of hypocrite. Sheesh.

SAHIH AL-BUKHARI

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

SAHIH MUSLIM

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine..... (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

SUNAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)

SUNAN NASA‘I

… When Hadrat Aisha passed nine years of marriage life, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fell in mortal sickness… ‘A’isha was eighteen years of age at the time when the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away and she remained a widow for forty-eight years till she died at the age of sixty-seven. She saw the rules of four Caliphs in her lifetime. She died on Ramadan 58 A.H. during the Caliphate of Hadrat Amir Mu‘awiya… (Sunan Nasa'i: English translation with Arabic Text, compiled by Imam Abu Abd-ur-Rahman Ahmad Nasa'i, rendered into English by Muhammad Iqbal Siddiqui [Kazi Publication, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore, Pakistan; first edition, 1994], Volume 1, p. 108)

SUNAN IBN-I-MAJAH

1876. ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing along with [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."

1877. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) married ‘A’isha while she was a seven years [sic] old girl and took him [sic] to his house as a bride when she was nine years old and he parted with her (after his demise) when she was eighteen years old."

IBN HISHAM

He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 792)

AL-TABARI

In this year also the Messenger of God consummated his marriage with ‘A’ishah. This was in Dhu al-Qa‘dah (May-June 623) eight months after his arrival in Medina according to some accounts, or in Shawwal (April-May 623) seven months after his arrival according to others. He had married her in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadijah. At that time she was six or, according to other accounts, seven years old.

According to ‘Ab al-Hamid b. Bayan al-Sukkari- Muhammad b. Yazid- Isma‘il (that is, Ibn Abi Khalid)- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abi al-Dahhak- a man from Quraysh- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Muhammad: ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan together with another person came to ‘A’ishah, and ‘A’ishah said (to the latter), "O so-and-so, have you heard what Hafsah has been saying?" He said, "Yes, O Mother of the Faithful." ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan asked her, "What is that?" She replied, "There are nine special features in me that have not been in any woman, except for what God bestowed on Maryam bt. ‘Imran. By God, I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions." "What are these?" he asked. She replied, "The angel brought down my likeness; the Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket; I was one of the dearest people to him, a verse of the Qur’an was revealed concerning me when the community was almost destroyed; I saw Gabriel when none of his other wives saw him; and he was taken (that is, died) in his house when there was nobody with him but the angel and myself."

According to Abu Ja‘far (Al-Tabari): The Messenger of God married her, so it is said, in Shawwal, and consummated his marriage to her in a later year, also in Shawwal. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community, translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7)

The Prophet married ‘A’ishah in Shawwal in the tenth year after the [beginning of his] prophethood, three years before Emigration. He consummated the marriage in Shawwal, eight months after Emigration. On the day he consummated the marriage with her she was nine years old.

etc etc etc etc

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that Islams "perfect man" was a pedophile and child rapist is not in dispute.... neither is the fact that Muslims in the middle east do the same today following his sick example.

but yeah, you have no clue what i'm talking about...

sounds legit for a devout Muslim.

You are 100% full of shit.

^^^^that is not Quran.

Those are called hadiths aka second hand stories (he say she say). Known in the Islamic world to be full of fraudlent statements... Pushed by the rightards of the Islamic world.

Now explain to us, guy who says people who practice religion are dumb, why you support religious trump?... Trump, who supports the rightards of the Islamic world who attacked us and won't ban them.

I didn't say anything about the Quran. In that other thread, I said that mohammeds life and deeds inspire muslims to this day to lie, rape, tob, steal, murder, saw heads off, bomb, buy and sell sex slaves, stone women to death, throw gays off of rooftops etc etc etc ...

And nothing you say changes the facts.. because they're irrefutable.

Trump being a retard has nothing to do with mohammed being a pedophile and child rapist.

So you believe that Muslims are the only ones who

-Rape

-Rob

-Steal

-Kill

-Bomb

-Buy/sell sex slaves

Etc, etc, etc.

Reality is, we the only ones that know and akcnowledge we have shit bags in our community and actively work to rid them. We don't do what you guys do, and blame a whole other monster for our shit.

None of that is Quran, Quran is the only holy book in Islam. Everything else is made by fallibles and should be treated accordingly.

Notice you are defending man's religion.... not God

God needs no protection. God needs no defense. God is good. God is not religion.

Everything you said is correct. God ain't about to worship himself.

I ain't defending anybody. Anybody paying attention know IDGAF about no wahabi's, isis, all that.

I've actually been to war with these guys. They took my right eye, hence my username. I am far from a terrorist sympathizer.

But we not about to ignore the hypocrisies and the fact that there have been 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970. Even if Muslims carried out all of these attacks (which is an absurd assumption), those terrorists would represent less than 0.00009 percent of all Muslims. To put things into perspective, this means that you are more likely to be struck by lightening in your lifetime than a Muslim is likely to commit a terrorist attack during that same timespan.

There's 3 and a half million Muslims in America and 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States are by non-muslims. Today, in America we are being terrorized by incel christian white boys shooting into churches, mass shooting women, shooting up schools, concerts, movie theaters, banks,suiciding themselves, etc, etc.

Everything these so called americans say about muslims, is actually being perpetrated by their very own in America lol. And they ok with that.

There is nothing wrong in believing in a higher power, a creator. To chose a specific man made religion to follow is where the fault lies.

So your theory is what we don't know has to be down to god. This contradicts what bibles teach us when people knew so little it was easy to fool them with the god myth.

But that reveals gods or the people who created them to be liar. An omnipotent god doesn't make so many mistakes in creating life, evolution does. The creation of man isn't as the bibles tell us. Creation isn't as the bibles tell us.

We know how the Earth was created and it's not as the bibles tell us. But you fall back to the bit we don't know as your proof of a god.

If as the bibles tell us this god spoke to men, why did he lie r was it the men lying? Once you bring that into question you have to question everything else. Were you told what men wanted to tell you or what god said?

That's not what bibles tell us. They tell us that god created everything on Earth including man. Well why did he need so many failures to get it right?

This might explain it better https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...iverse+created

Believing in any religion is wrong when those religions claim a god told them and yet each one is wrong. Falling back to the 21st century knowledge to justify religions that have it so wrong, because they're based on knowledge from the Bronze Age. Calls into question whether you what men wanted to tell you or what a god did.

So why follow a religion that has it so wrong. Where in the Quran does it say a god only created what started the process. From there we know the story.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...iverse+created

As for religions having shitty people in them. Were mohammed and all the scholars those?

Here's an intelligent debate. Is the god of bibles a man made creation or the being you're told?

i live inside a multiculti city with hundrets of ethnic and religions and i have evidence that it works perfectly.

bullshit - that have nothing to do with the religion as more with the ethnic.

have you ever been there? did you talk to the people about the backgrounds?

i am sure you did not.

but I WAS THERE and saw with my own eyes what you are speculating.

islam is not islam.
if you talk about islam with people that converted in jail to islam they will tell you something completely else as a modern, educated muslim.

your point of view is judging the majority because of a minoroity.

it is the same as I would say that all english people are non educated idiots just because i take you as an example.