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astronaut x 02-18-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22418214)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Crockett thinks paying a slut to sign a NDA is a felony!!! Wrong again! You're quite gifted at being wrong and hysterical, like a typical insane person. But Hillary din do nuffin! Having an illegal unsecured server that gets hacked by hostile countries is totally fine, guys! Deleting all her emails after Congress subpoenaed them is fine, guys! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA clueless clown. :1orglaugh

The fact you look up to a POS who is paying sluts to sign NDA's..... :helpme

Acepimp 02-18-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 22418225)
The fact you look up to a POS who is paying sluts to sign NDA's..... :helpme

And you look up to democrats who are straight up rapists and criminals!

King Mark 02-18-2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22418227)
And you look up to democrats who are straight up rapists and criminals!

Your party is no different. Y'all both parties of tards, just different sides of the tard spectrum.

crockett 02-18-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22418214)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Crockett thinks paying a slut to sign a NDA is a felony!!! Wrong again! You're quite gifted at being wrong and hysterical, like a typical insane person. But Hillary din do nuffin! Having an illegal unsecured server that gets hacked by hostile countries is totally fine, guys! Deleting all her emails after Congress subpoenaed them is fine, guys! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA clueless clown. :1orglaugh

idiot.....

Acepimp 02-18-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye (Post 22418340)
Your party is no different. Y'all both parties of tards, just different sides of the tard spectrum.

Of course both parties have scumbags. Let's be clear, it's mostly Democrats who have been outed as sexual predators. Who here remembers when Hillary's buddy Barney Frank was caught running a prostitution ring out of his DC apartment? Underage male prostitutes. He threatened to bring down half of Congress if they went after him- it was dropped.



On the other hand, Carter, Reagan, & Bush Sr also had a scandal with underage male prostitutes in the White House late at night.


VRPdommy 02-19-2019 07:32 PM

The grass is always greener aound the septic tank !

Rochard 02-19-2019 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22417440)
All nations know how to play with everyone's grid. It's not that hard. Same with other automated works in industrial and and public works.

I have known this for some time. But the willingness to use it changed dramatically after the first big one which was the stuxnet in iran.

Sometimes when you see strange 'outages' of all types, the first thing on my mind is that it was a test of theory to know they could do a segment without raising alarms.

But it is cheap warfare.
N Korea, Iran, Russia China and the U.S. are all doing it.
It's not that you will make and win a war with it, it's the fact that used with other attacks, it becomes hard to know what you could actually defend yourself from.
At a minimum, A element of confusion goes a long way at the right moment.

Honestly, at this point, if you were not identifying your adversary's weaknesses, you are not doing your nation service. We all do it.
Nobody anywhere in the world is safe from it. But really this stuff is quite old news now.
Much bigger things to worry about.

This is a basic part of warfare.

During the second Gulf War when we went into Iraq, the war was over and won in the first hour. The United States attacked the Iraqi government / military communication systems. By destroying one facility they completely took the entire system off line.

But if a government takes down the power grid of another country short of declaring war... Didn't Russia do that with Ukraine? Isn't that an act of war in itself? Not to mention multiple international lawsuits.

thommy 02-19-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22418344)
idiot.....

you should have learned something here:

trump might be wrong in everything but he is right in one thing:

I can stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters.

this is the one and only thing he is really right and after he is out of the office and proven to every crime you can think about, he will still be their idol. actually trump is just a result of a much older brainwash strategy. who thinks that the german werwolf was eliminated after 1945 should have a look in the oval office. there you can see how successful and perfect this nazi brainwash strategy was working. everything trump says, does and thinks you will find 1 to 1 in German history around the third reich.

see it like that: with trump in the white house nazi germany won WW2 80 years after itīs end.

TheSquealer 02-19-2019 10:25 PM

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2MuchMark 02-19-2019 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22419234)

You're boy's a traitor.

VRPdommy 02-19-2019 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22419223)
This is a basic part of warfare.

During the second Gulf War when we went into Iraq, the war was over and won in the first hour. The United States attacked the Iraqi government / military communication systems. By destroying one facility they completely took the entire system off line.

But if a government takes down the power grid of another country short of declaring war... Didn't Russia do that with Ukraine? Isn't that an act of war in itself? Not to mention multiple international lawsuits.

It probably is a act of war. I doubt anyone wants to make claims like it for many reasons.

The first reason would be, if you have exact proof who the actor it is, to present it will destroy your intel methods secrets and have little to really gain from it.
It becomes a escalation of events. Think N Korea and Sony.

These things by themselves, are not normally super destructive.
The larger point is being made when you do these things in a wide ranging way is using this and many other cyber attacks in conjunction with some conventional/nonconventional warfare attack. There is so much confusion while everyone tries to get everything up and running again, a surprise attack in conventional warfare has much more impact and likely much more surprise.

When the real thing is coming, it won't just be the power grid...
add many other public works from water systems to industrial stuff that I don't even want to mention.
It can be uglier than warfare itself. A power grid attack is just a warning type measure.
Letting you opponent be warned of your capability that they are vulnerable or they may just be a temporary confusion/diversion for something else.

I would venture to say that if the iraq war 1 or 2 were to be fought today, cyber would be in the initial phases as the initial attacks on radar installs and communication systems with unmanned weapons.
They will not know for sure what they removed with cyber so it has to be taken out with conventional systems as well. Cyber is normally a temporary thing.

Like it or not, all of our public works and industrial systems are automated. That means they use PLC controls. While we like to think we have done well in securing them, most times, they made insecure from the inside out.

I have no confidence we will ever be safe in a automated society.
The only thing that keeps us safe here in the US is the idea of 'massive retaliation' that can and likely would be carried out. That works well for nation states but not terrorist.

And truthfully, I don't care to talk of it any more than that.


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