There is no plan for a concrete wall. Fake news.

He's a fucking mental case. No deductive reasoning. No logic. No common sense. He literally just spits out whatever Brietbart & FoxNews told him a few moments before. He can't remember further than that.

He's just like Paul Markham. He has no memory of previous conversations here and paints everyone not on the Trump train as bleeding heart liberals.

This all boils down to years of litigation over 100s if not 1000s of lawsuits !
 

Eminent domain is the government's power to take private land for public use under certain circumstances. The power of eminent domain is defined by the "Takings Clause" of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits the federal government from taking private property for public use "without just compensation." This clause is also applied to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. The Takings Clause does not give the government permission to take any land it wants. On the contrary, it serves as a limit on the power of the government by requiring that a taking can only occur if the land is for "public use" and in exchange for just compensation.

When the government acquires private land, this is known as "taking," in contrast to a property seizure that occurs when the property owner commits certain types of crimes or abandons the property. There are different categories of takings:

A complete taking is when the entire property is purchased.
A partial taking occurs when only a portion of the property is needed.
A temporary taking occurs if the property is needed only for a specific period of time.
It's worth noting that the definition of "taking" includes more than just the acquisition of property by the government. It also includes government action that impacts the land in some way, including zoning or development plans that change the way the property can be used or result in a decrease in the value of the property.

How Eminent Domain Works

If the government is planning an expansion or public works project, and needs to acquire private property to complete the project, the government will commence the legal process of eminent domain, which is known as condemnation. The details of the process of condemnation will vary from state to state, but the basic steps are consistent.

Typically, the government will first attempt to negotiate a deal to buy the land from the private owner. If the owner agrees to the offered price, the parties can avoid court altogether. The government will issue payment in exchange for the deed for the land. If the owner and the government disagree as to the sale price for the property, the parties will attend a court hearing to address the contested issue of the fair market value of the land.

If the owner refuses entirely to sell the property, the government will file a court action and post a public notice of the hearing. At this hearing, the government must prove that it tried to negotiate a sale and that the taking is for "public use." The landowner will be given the opportunity to object and offer evidence. It's not uncommon for both parties to present expert testimony on the issue of valuation.


Chump had better come up with another way to build his picket fence!

I wonder how much land they would need too.

I don't think it will be a few hundred feet. If they are going to take land, they are aren't going to take just a few hundred feet wide.

My mother used to work for a company that built power plants, and they had to put in power lines. They took more than a few hundred feet wide. They also had to build access roads.

Frankly.... If the government decides to build walls or even fencing, they government had the right to take the land. They say "national security" and they do it and while they might slug it out in court for a few years, I think the government would win.

I am actually all for securing our borders. Take politics out of it, take my obvious hatred for Trump out of it, and take Mexico out of it... We have a huge long border with Canada and while I like every Canadian I've ever met it's stunning that we don't have some kind of a fence or something. We've all see the news reports where in some towns you just drive over the border and are supposed to "call customs" to report it. LOL.

We need walls in high traffic areas - such as San Diego and near other ports of entry -but otherwise we need fences.

Yep done that myself here in Maine off route1 :thumbsup:thumbsup

Crockett- how is it possible for someone to be SO clueless???

Cliven Bundy walks free as federal judge dismisses Bundy Ranch standoff case

"The court finds that the universal sense of justice has been violated," Navarro said. "The government conduct in this case was, indeed, outrageous."

Robbie is outraged because that's the correct reaction- if you're informed and not completely clueless.

LOL...according to Trump cocksuckers property owners are so excited about a wall they are going to beg the govt to take their land. Bunch of retarded fucking Nazi wannabes.

What the study of Crockett science misses is that I was indeed thinking that the Federal Govt. has made HUGE land grabs of MILLIONS of acres of state land across the country with the Bureau Of Land Management. Completely different thing, except if you are using Crockett Science.
I don't think that's right of the govt. to do that.

I'm also NO fan of Eminent Domain land grabs that the wall might entail.

I've also stated time and again that I'm AGAINST the wall idea. (not because it won't "work", it will...I'm against it because it is too similar to the Berlin Wall and I grew up being taught that the Berlin Wall was "evil").

Crockett Science is being used by that idiot to attack me over something I actually agree with him about.
That's how Crockett Science works.

My input in this discussion has been about the HYPOCRISY of politicians and media who before Trump became President were against all Illegal Immigration. Now they pretend that Trump is a bad guy for doing and saying the exact same things they did before.

Yet you still attempt to make excuses for Trump. If this were Obama you'd have been calling him Hitler.. You try to pin it all on "politicians" not Trump. It's not politicians trying to steal Rancher's land. It's Trump..

Common Robbie let's say it together.. It's 100% Trump's plan to use eminent domain to steal people land to build his useless little wall..

It's not the coffee boys fault, it's not politician's fault, it's not govt's fault, it's not Mexican's fault.. It's Trump's fault.

I never said it would increase their value.

I said that widening a roadway and changing the zoning to commercial increased the value of parent's property even though they lost 30 feet of frontage along the road.

I shouldn't have to explain this to intelligent adults.

Oh, wait... :Oh crap

50 walls

That are never gonna happen... deal with it..

He's a Trump cultist & when Trump isn't re-elected he'll turn conspiracy theorist for 8 years. He's too far down the Russian rabbit hole.

The US Government already did. https://www.texastribune.org/2017/12...roperty-fence/

Yep:
"President Obama oversaw the fence’s construction. All told, Homeland Security built 654 miles of fence — just short of the 700 mile goal set by Congress — at a cost of $2.4 billion."

The Wall is very needed for purely economic reasons. Illegal migrants cost the US 100s of $billions and a wall is one step towards slowing it down. I've post ed figures continuously on this to prove I'm right. Just Google Illegal immigrants in prison and then the cost of US prisoners to get a fraction of the costs.

After continued failure by consecutive governments to curb illegal immigration, Trump was the first to make it a corner stone of his campaign. The Liberals ignored this and came out with the same platitudes that have got nothing done. The only thing they could trumpet was that illegal immigration was down. As if it would never rise again.

The wall is only one tier of a immigration policy that needs tightening. Repeat employers and landlords of illegals need to go to prison, one time employers should be fined more than it costs to catch them. Sanctuary cities need to have Federal money withdrawn from them. Zero benefits need to be given to illegal immigrants, this includes schools, hospitals, etc. No SS Number or Driving License.

Some interesting reading.

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/calif...206132139.html

https://www.politifact.com/californi...welfare-s-exa/

https://legalaidatwork.org/factsheet...oyment-rights/

This was what Democrats were offering. No wonder they lost.

So while Obama was in office there were no compulsory purchase orders for property anywhere.

Did Texas vote Republican or Democrat? So on what matter you take the side of a few landowners and ignore the will of the people.

You're mentally ill. :1orglaugh

When the will of the people says no wall, I take the side of no wall.. why don't you worry about being a expat in whatever 3rd world country you are in and not worry about a country you don't live in or pay taxes in..

Again you show your complete ignorance of local & national politics in a country half way around the world from you, that you're not a citizen of, or neighbor of.

On a side note, read the title of the thread before responding with your ignorant spew next time. "Texas REPUBLICAN Congress man says Trump intends to steal land from 1000 ranchers"

Obviously,... since Trump isn't President because you said that was "never gonna happen" as well.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This is correct. Obama (And Hillary I believe) both voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. From 2007-2009 some 600 miles were built. Everyone is for border security. We built fences where fences were needed - in high traffic areas.

But do you see the difference here?

We spent $2.4 billion to build a fence. Trump wants to spend up to $60 billion to build a wall. The fence is more or less the same as a wall, just as effective, but costs a lot less.

The problem is Trump is less interested in securing our borders, and more interested in keeping his campaign slogan. We don't need a wall. We need more Border Patrol agents, and we need them better trained and with better gear. We need more technology to help them do their jobs.

If Republicans were serious about securing our border, they would be pouring money into the Border Patrol.

Instead, like they usually do, they bury their hands in the sand and fuck everything up. If Republicans tried to pass a bill with extra funding for the Border Patrol, it would quickly pass. Instead, Trump is trying to get around Congress by declaring a National Emergency which will be fought in court for the next two years, and then it will be fought again in court by the homeowners. It's almost like Republicans try to do the direct opposite of what is needed.

You want a national emergency? How about our government providing all children with free healthcare? But nah.

At the same time, speaking of protecting our nation.... How many new ships has our nation put in the water in the past two years? There was another one last week. Thanks Obama for making our country stronger. How many ships has Trump signed off on? I don't recall one being approved under Trump.

Once again you have no clue of what is happening here.

Imagine if the United States was able to completely stop people from crossing our border illegally, be it people or drugs. Nothing would change. The vast majority of people who are illegal immigrants didn't cross the border in the dead of the night in the desert, but instead came here legally. The majority of the drugs are also coming through ports of entry as well.

Everyone wants secure our borders. But we are not about to spend $60 billion on a wall that won't fix the problem.

He is told this here almost daily.

He's a one way street troll now.

He spews hate, propoganda & dogma and doesn't take anything in. I think he sold or leased his nic tbh he has been really hard up for cash.

So why did Obama waste all that money constructing a fence?

https://www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs...-border-fence/

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...-ten-years-ago

Once again you have no clue of what is happening in your own country.

So why build fences?

https://www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs...-border-fence/

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...-ten-years-ago

Once again you have no clue of what is happening in your own country.

This is an American board so the main topics are American. I'm equally against the illegal immigration in Europe.

Well said

No one wasted time or money constructing a fence. We need proper border security. We built a fence where it needed to be built. What they didn't do was spend ten times as much money to accomplish the same thing.

Paul.... Let's say you want to protect your house. You have a choice between a fence or a wall. They both accomplish the same thing. Do you want to want spend $10k on a fence, or $100k on a wall?

After this fiasco he is going to find this vey hard to do ! People are already removing his moniker from buildings.

Trump's Name Is Removed From Trump Place, the Latest Licensed Property to Shed the President's Branding

Trump'''s Greatest Value, His Name, Erased from Yet Another Building | Fortune

Trump is losing business all around.

Our nation is very divided, now more than ever, and half of the people in the country hate Trump and everything he stands for. What the Trump people failed to understand is that they are in the hotel and golf business.... And you can't have 50% of your customer base hating you. In Europe it's even worse.

But whatever, MAGA and all that.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trum...a-statistician

This guy says $25 billion. Are you adding the cost of maintaining and policing it?

You don't live here & you don't live near here you also have never lived here.

Do you know why you are a hate troll now Paul?

Because you do nothing to accentuate the positive and joy in life.

You do nothing to bring people together.

All you do is focus on any kind of divisive negative trolling you can do to tear people apart and to bring hate and negativity into the world.

This is what you have allowed yourself to become. Do better

You've let the hate of humanity erase the miracle if what you were born to be.

The miracle of life is precious and you were born to be an artistic creator not an habitual hater.

Remember who you are

Your nation was divided under Obama, under Bush and so on.

We all know Trump is an idiot, incompetent and an oaf. But the country was divided when they voted for him. But he came up with policies that appealed to the Nation. Less migration, less illegal migration, more sales in China, bring jobs back to the Mid-West, rebuilding infrastructure, NATO countries paying more. He also had some pretty bad ones. Healthcare, climate change, tax cuts, etc.

He was also an outsider. After decades of getting poorer people are disillusioned in politicians. Hillary promised more of the same. Democrats couldn't find a candidate who appealed to Americans more than Trump!!!

You can have 50% of your voting base hating you. Just get the 1% on your side to get you elected.

And yes it's much worse in Europe with more and more switching to the only alternative, the Far Right. The liberals in the UK are now crying over teens who though able to walk from the ME and Asia and through many safe countries. Now in the UK they need special treatment rather than give it to British citizens.

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A fifth building has voted today to take his name off the building because nobody can sell their units and it's lowering their property values.

Everything Trump touches turns to shit.

Did you read your own article there? That article says "up to $75 billion".

It's government - It's not going to come in on the low end.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=sNF...wall+or+fences

But suddenly it's a bad idea!!!!