This topic isn't about Hillary, why are you incapable of staying on topic? Do you need drugs for your ADD?

It has't pivoted to anything. It's always been and always will be about Russian involvement, possible collusion with Trump's campaign and obstruction of justice. Muller can't help it that Trump's campaign crew can't stop lying under oath..

Also any other crimes found during the investigation will obviously lead to charges. Just like Clinton got charged for lying about a BJ by Republicans in their 8 year ordeal of "trying to get the Clinton's part 1".

The simple fact is many of the charges so far have been because they lied to investigators trying to cover up their fraud & dealings with Russians. That is a crime. You can not lie to the FBI, you can't lie under oath to Congress both are crimes..

You can try to pretend it's not but it just makes you look the fool. Do you really want to be played the fool by your right wing media or do you want to educate yourself on reality?


Also just because those are the only charges brought against some of these guys "now" doesn't mean they still wont be charged with more stuff later. Just like Manafort was charged with a 2nd set of crimes.

You are a fool if you don't think Trump is criminally involved with Russian money laundering. His fucking dumb ass kid just admitted in a Fox New interview they were doing it in 2006.

You are in a serious case of denial if you think this investigation is "pivoting". All of this is well with-in the scope of Russian intervention/collusion as well as obstruction of justice..

You seem to forget all about that second half the the investigation. It's not just about Russia. Comey's investigation was about Russian mettling. However the moment Trump fired Comey and admitted on tape he did it to ease pressure off the "Russian thing".. Muller was then tasked with finishing Comey's Russian investigation but also tasked with Obstruction of justice investigation.

You seriously need to inform yourself of what reality is because you obviously do not understand what is going on. I highly suggest you educate yourself some place beside the drudge report & fox news..


The simple fact is Trump fucked himself by firing Comey because they were not looking at Trump's involvement as deeply as they are now. Manafort, Stone ect are in jail right now most likely due to Trump's action of firing Comey because the investigation was widened when that happened.

Another republican under investigation ....

Another irrelevant Canadian with another irrelevant opinion.

Not at all, and, you don't get it.

You love to pick on Lefties and talk about how we are all one sided. I'm here, saying that as a lefty, I'll accept whatever the investigations show.

I started this thread asking if you could do the same. Not twice but 3 times now, you change the subject instead of answer the question. Why are you incapable of answering it? All you have to say is Yes or No - it won't change anyone's opinion of you. The fact that you prefer to dodge instead of answer is... intradesting.




Your actions say otherwise.

Right, I'm from Canada, and it won't change my life one bit. The fact that it could change your lives is what all of us Canadians worry about. But hey, what do we know, nothing, right?

Thats fine and all, but - Will you accept the findings of the investigations no matter what? Yes or no, 1 or 0, on or off. Come on, you can do it.

Nothing :thumbsup

I very highly doubt we'll ever get to see the Mueller report, so kind of a moot question. They're gearing up to do everything they possibly can to prevent its release to the public.

Trump said today he is for it being made public. He doesn't really have a choice. He might legally be able to suppress it, but the only reason he would do that is if it is bad. If he refused to release it the House (and maybe even the Senate) would have Mueller testify, likely in public and they would ask him what was found.

In short, the info in the report is going to get out one way or another, Trump trying to stop it would only make himself look worse.

He also said that we would LOVE to be interviewed under oath by Muller ...

Can't remember if that happened .... or questions were answered by lawyers in a letter , no oath ....

Trump also tried to declassify the FBI report on what the FBI did to attain the FISA warrant to start the entire investigation to begin with.

The FBI and every national agency all screamed bloody murder and he held back on it.

Funny how the Democrat politicians and the media all wanted that to be kept secret from the American people...but are so 100% fervent to have the Mueller report shown in full to the American public (it is supposed to only be given to the President and the Attorney General who then makes a summary of the report for Congress)

So, on one hand...CNN and Democrats in Congress DON'T want the report on the FBI and DOJ illegally starting the investigation to be revealed to the public...but on the other hand they DO want the Mueller report to be shown in full to the public in the hopes that it will embarrass the President in some way.

The hypocrisy and bias is just overwhelming.

My position on all of this remains unchanged. If someone is suspected of breaking the law, there should be an investigation and if they are found guilty they should be punished accordingly.

None of that changes the fact that if Trump refuses to release the Mueller report it will make him look terrible and it will start a chain of events that will make all of this just that much messier.

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Mark...are you ready to accept the findings and move on with your life now? lol

And if they are found NOT guilty? Then what?

There was collusion all over the place.

Manafort gave polling data to the Russians.

George Papadopoulos had secret meetings with Russian agents in London, where he learned the Russians had hacked the DNC and continued to communicate with the Russians via Facebook.

Jeff Sessions, Micheal Flynn, and Rick Gates all had secret meetings and communications with the Russian ambassador, and all of them lied about it under oath. Some of the meetings actually took place at the Republican convention.

Carter Page had secret meetings in Russia and was offered millions if he could remove sanctions against Russia. Cohen was working with the Russian government on the Trump Tower in Moscow.

Trump Jr, Kushner, and Cohen had a secret meeting with Russians at Trump tower where he was offered help from the Russian government. They offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to (then) Mr. Trump. In an email about the metting it was said that it was "very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"

Roger Stone was passing information from Russian agents and Wikileaks to the Trump campaign about the release of stolen information.

You think Trump didn't know about ALL of this?

If this isn't enough EVERYONE I just mentioned lied under oath.

This is about the FISA warrant on Carter Page? Blah blah blah. Carter Page was under investigation since 2014. He was under investigation before Trump announced he was running so.....

Just that, they are found NOT guilty. I feel like there was evidence enough for an investigation. We have had that investigation. If it comes back that Trump has done nothing wrong, fine.

Of course! I am just waiting to read the report. Hopefully it will be made public soon and mostly unreacted. But like I said if Mueller says Trump is innocent, then he's innocent.

It was easy to see which foreign country did influence with the US elections, and it wasn't Russia.

I think your just going to find the investigation has been handed over to another department... The counter-intelligence side of the investigation, which is surly the point most people believe its at..

So Muller will leave you where you are right now.. maybe he did, maybe he didn't. The main document will be mostly about Russian attempts to sway the election and how deep they went.

The Mueller investigation doesn't deam people innocent or guilty, it deams if there's enough evidence to press charges.

You not knowing this shows your complete ignorance to the whole process and the SDNY investigations with sealed indictments. Not to mention the 199 Indictments, guilty pleas, etc that have already gone down.

No charges can be pressed until the counter-intelligence side of the investigation wraps up and the names of those still under investigation.. will be detracted from Mullers report.

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As I understand it...when a citizen of the United States is investigated and found to be innocent...they never release everything.

The reason being that it's not the govt.'s job to hurt people.

For instance...let's say that you were a citizen here. And then hypothetically...I did what the Democrats did to Trump.
I had a dossier created that was based off of CNN's "I-Report" (which was a short-lived idea that CNN did where they let normal people use their cellphones to report stuff). Steele has admitted now that he THOUGHT I-Report was real news.

Anyway, let's just say I did that to you. And the Federal Govt. used unlimited resources to investigate you.

And of course they find that you are not a Russian spy.

BUT...during the course of this intensive investigation, they discover that you don't believe in God but pretend to in order to get votes (which of course...all politicians do). And they discover that you secretly have sexual proclivities that are nobody's business. Or they simply were investigating some very serious charges that you were found innocent of...but would SOUND really, really bad if made public (i.e.: Mark answers to Putin).

Our legal system isn't supposed to do that.

Which is why Hillary and the Democrat Party were so up in arms over James Comey doing EXACTLY that to Hillary when he went on live t.v. and went down the list of shit she was being investigated for.

No Federal investigation in the history of the United States has ever been put out un-redacted to the public.
The Democrats and media want it to be so they can further use it to damage Trump politically (which is what this has been all about since day one).

Today on CNN.Com there is even a front "page" article with CNN talking about how the Democrats can now use this to further hurt Trump in the election. (yep, that's our unbiased "journalists" at work).

I know that the Attorney General has already stated he will release as much of it as he legally can. And Pres. Trump has already stated he wants the whole thing released.

What is really going to be something is: Now that the Mueller investigation is over. President Trump can have the DOJ go after the people who spread lies to start it in the first place...without anyone being able to say it's "obstruction of justice".

Some people need to go to jail. And now they will.

Mueller doesn't find people innocent or guilty & DOJ guidelines say a sitting president cannot be indicted.

2 years in and you're still ignorant as to how this all works. Trump supporters are fucking idiots.

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The Mueller Flat Earth Society is losing it's shit today. :(

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Bladelier will be here next with some sort of spin to try and save face... And his gig with Media Matters.

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Trump supporters laughingly mistaken Barr's summary for Muellers unbiased report

Trump supporters are fucking idiots :1orglaugh

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Trump haters made themselves look like idiots for 2 years and then Mueller confirmed it. Ouch.

We have not seen the Muller Report as Barr's summery only covers collusion directly with Russian govt but not with Russian 3rd parties which anyone with half a clue understands this is how Russians work..

Added to this the report fails to state if Trump obstructed justice, which we all know he did so instead of saying he did they decided not to decide anything about that..

Robbie is about as smart as a box of rocks if he thinks this "talking-points" memo from Barr = the Muller report or anything but a sad attempt at a cover up.

I will repeat thew Muller Report has not been publicly released. Only Barr's talking points has..

Haha.. Mueller says "no Trump Campaign collusion with Russia" therefore the Left can only reason that something is not right and that everyone is lying and cheating.

I accept the report.

But, Perhaps not everyone's spin on it. Reminds me a bit like the OJ Simpson case. LOL... That will get under some's skin.

It's pretty much as I thought it would be.
Mueller's investigation is over for Russian interference in US election.
All crimes discovered along the way have 'not been prosecuted'.
Many have been turned over to SDNY.
Any material from crimes still under investigation or waiting prosecution will be redacted from the report, in at least public form.
It could take weeks to go over the material to be certain they don't reveal things they should not and have a public report. Could come in pieces.

It remains to be seen who else can view the material. One would think a few in both house and senate judicial committee's should be able to see this after review.

So... what's left... you will have to wait and see.
Could trump be facing charges the day he leaves office ?
I'm sure he will from many items we already know about, but are there more ?
The House has the right to continue investigations with any loose ends . Will they? The had better have reasonable grounds to to so. We shall see since it is likely to continue in the headlines now.
You folks can keep insulting each other and I'll just watch it play out.

In any case, I am glad they did not handle this like Comey did. I think they made a point not to.
Funny, or not, Trump made a issue of the investigation nearly everyday, keeping it in the headlines.
In fact he probably made it worse on himself for doing so. At least politically.

At least many crimes were prosecuted. I'm sure there is enough dirt in the government on both sides that could use a little more sunlight. I'll take what I can get.

For me... If they don't get the money out of election process, I'll expect more of the same.

But, I will add that there are some folks serving more time for POT possession than corruption in government. Those are issues we should be dealing with and not. it's all about the SPIN... feast your eyes on the shinning object !

Mueller's report has not been released yet.

Mueller's report can't be what you thought it would be, because nobody in the public has seen Mueller's report yet.

Only Barr's 3 1/2 page interpretation of the report has been released. Barr was against the Mueller probe. Barr said no sitting president can obstruct Justice and it would be illegal to indict them. That's the lens Barr wrote his summary through.