I agree with most of your posts, but can't with this one. Legally you have to do xyz, fair enough (sorta), but morally? Who decides those morals? Can I swear in front of my kids? Can I voice my thoughts that religion is a load of bollocks in front of them, thus 'discouraging' them from falling for all that nonsense? Chat with them as older teens that sex outside marriage is fine? All morally 'wrong' to a great many people.

To be fair, I think there's probably 2 different conversations going on, one is that 'so what if my son wants to put on a dress', and 'I'm going to make my son wear a dress'.

The first I'm fine with, the second I'm not - and that would go for anything a parent forces upon their kid, aside from manners, safety, and a few other things I can't be bothered to think of. And even then, it's still none of my business unless they are actively encouraging their kids to harm others.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/k...-a4080921.html

More fake news to help push Murdoch's agenda... what a good clucky you are.

we set boundaries on acceptable behaviors as a community. my opinion is that this who "there's not such thing as gender" bullshit is exactly that... bullshit. it's not helpful to anyone. it is only hurtful. there is zero upside to this kind of stupidity.

it is also my opinion that a shitty parent tends to raise a child that ultimately becomes societies problem and does so to the detriment of the child and their ability to thrive in life. if more people would start standing up and saying 'hey, cut the shit' just as they did only a few decades below, we wouldn't have prisons full of people who came from single parent "it's none of your business how I raise my child" homes today.

it is not at all correct to pretend as if no one is affected. EVERYONE is affected. all of society feels the impact of asshole, neglectful or abusive parents at some point.

one of the biggest problems of any western society today is that we've empowered the worst of our communities to have the largest voice and the idiots are now taking over the asylum. it has to stop. people need to start standing up, saying "shut the fuck up and stop being such a fucking moron" a little more often.

Hi mate long time no chat, hope all is well :thumbsup

I think you're taking the extreme examples of coercion, whereas I (and I'm guessing the other 'dissenters' here) are more along the lines of that if some 4 year old boy wants to put on a dress and walk around in his mum's heels, so what.

I agree 'no such thing as gender' is nonsense. If I had a son who put on a dress while playing, I wouldn't panic that he would have any kind of issues though. By the same token, I wouldn't make him wear a dress every other day just to prove some point about gender fluidity.

Shitty parents are shitty parents regardless, and likely has more to do with economic standing than simply as a result of being single parents. I'm a single parent - it's not exactly a rarity, but to equate that to prison populations is skewed imo, take out all the non-violent drug 'offenders', people who plea-deal in the US system rather than risk trial, and sure, most will still be from single parent families, but not by much because the numbers between single/married parents isn't that great.

And yeah, a bunch of stuff society does affects others in society - meh, so what tbh. Some man or woman who changes gender is going to have way, way, way, way less effect on society than eg dumbass drug possession laws. People need to worry less about meaningless stuff like that, and far more about lawmakers/enforcers, warmongers, the homeless problem, benefits culture, and so on. Authoritarians dish out that 'regulate these people how WE want'.. not for me thanks.

Someone who is wired different and wants to be the opposite gender - have at it, if that brings them peace of mind, and less internal anguish/struggle. If their parents support them, all the better.

Again though, I feel most in this thread are looking at 2 different facets and going at each other on those. Support & coercion are getting muddied in this thread, imo.

Hope you are doing well too! It has been a while!

I agree with you. If i have a kid and he wants to wear a dress, be a princess and play with dolls, then that is a real issue to deal with and there are then real issues to work through to best prepare them for the life ahead.

Personally, I am super tired of people in THIS country trying to push the boundaries of reason and common sense, everywhere they can. I understand that the topic is about the royal family, but in the US, this shit has gone WAAAAAY too far and we've empowered the worst of humanity to now have the loudest and most persistent voice. And that voice is never the voice of reason, it's the voice of insanity.

Yeah I can agree with this part for sure. I do also have to remember though, that the largest voice isn't the loudest, and it's the vocal minority who make it appear as if the end is nigh, or whatever (all sides of political fences), thanks to news/media 'reporting' these days being so utterly shit, like 'reporting' on some cunt's twitter feed lol. Transgenders are no more in every high street as racists, homophobes, or whatever other shit the clickbait headline makers would have us believe are.

Society always needs someone to blame though, and have an outlet for some steam to bet let off, whether it's 'the druggies' or 'the gays' or 'the blacks' or 'the racists' or 'the homophobes' or 'the transgenders' or 'the libtards' or 'the trumptards', and so on and so on. In 10 years time it'll be somthing else, then another 10 years after that, and so on forever and ever amen. Meanwhile homelessness, hunger, warmongering, and the other actual important shit takes a back seat while 90% of the population get riled up by emotional button-pushing, because that's the shit that is guaranteed to get clicks, shares, comments, and 'oh the horror' rampages. And yep I'm just as guilty as everyone else when I don't keep a check on myself.

Yup :thumbsup

(good here thanks, if not far busier than I'd like lol)

Is Britain FINALLY coming to its senses over transgender madness?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-madness.html

Sorry dude, you are better than this. Don't embarrass yourself.

If you think raising someone in a gender fluid environment is the same as raising someone to be a white supremacist, a serial killer or a terrorist, you are a fucking dumbshit.

Notice that the russian run alt-right repukes here, who said the dead grade school children of the Sandy Hook shooting were false flags and their parents "operatives" are "worried" about how celebrities & royalty are raising their children.

The same people who attacked the surviving Parkland shooting high school kids saying they were actors, spoiled and should have been killed in the shooting.

They're just attacking American culture & society at another angle , and another group of children.

Just like the Russian alt-right anti-vaxxer movement was created to manipulate vulnerable pregnant women & new single mothers not to vaccinate their children with the end game of more deaths of children by disease in the West.

There's no difference right?

Personal freedom.

It's about "Personal Freedom".

That's what you said. Don't those things also fall under your vague umbrella of "personal freedom"?

That was your argument.

Are you saying now that there should be limits to that "personal freedom" as at some point, that "freedom" begins to affect everyone else and become a problem for society as at large?? I agree wholeheartedly.

And for myself, i don't agree with "personal freedom" when the individual exercising that "freedom" doesn't fully bear the consequences of his / her own behavior. You should be able to eat birthday cake for breakfast, lunch and dinner and we can alll agree that you're "free" to do so.

I just disagree that hardworking tax payers then need to pay for your failing body and plethora of health problems.

Personal freedom ends when you are trying to kill other people.

If you really don't see the difference between raising a kid to be a serial killer and letting a kid dress as the opposite gender, you are allowing yourself to be willfully ignorant.

Personal freedom ends when your actions start damaging others. An 8-year-old boy deciding he wants to dress like a princess doesn't hurt anyone.

when a person cannot thrive as an adult as a result of how he or she was raised, or kills himself after being encouraged to join a class of people with a 40% suicide rate, or ends up addicted to drugs or spends their life in prison as a result, that parent is in fact "damaging others" and society as a whole.

For fucks sake, transgender people make up less than 1% of the population. You make it sound like there is some kind of epidemic.

If you are worried about the fabric of society being damaged by people's actions go after booze. People kill innocent people every single day when they drive drunk. People don't kill innocent people when they drive transgendered.

I only enjoy female fluids. Am I missing out ? ?

They're not worried about society at all they just like to attack the most vulnerable in society it's what they do because they're weak mentally ill cowards.

Shit im hard...

You like 'em preggers . . .

is she coming back to the final season of suits?

is that like a last minute friday nite thing?

I bet you're right, along with a tongue in his ass :1orhlaugh:1orhlaugh

exactly...

right at the top of ops link...

:2 cents:

I was hard regardless of this thread...

Pic for proof or BAN!

It may be 1% now but with all these looney lefties trying to one up each other in the virtue department pushing their kids towards this lunacy, this number will grow.