i kind of believe you, its just that paypal sucks, thats all.

I asked the Paypal agent about that. He said it had nothing to do with time differences or region of where the funds are coming from. I also mentioned that I've initiated refunds and received refunds from all over the world multiple times. In EACH case, the refund was instant. So I don't belive this theory.

Except he isn't defending himself. He is simply repeating the denial of what he is being accused of and NOT ENGAGING in any of the points that are being made. That is not defending, that is putting up a front to distract from the issue.



Like I said, I spoke to the agent about that. He CONFIRMED that the other person did NOT have enough in their account to cover the refund. And like I said, I've done several of these before with no issue from around thew world.

I agree. They are not holding the money. It is in the sellers bank. The agent CONFIRMED that.

It is not only odd but not possible. It should have been returned in cash. PPs website AND Pps agent said that in all cases it is returned in cash. When it is not, it is because the funds are not available in the seller's account.

This is why I am so sure of my arguments.

I did learn a lesson.

You don't engage in the argument.

You only repeat yourself over and over without taking on any of the points mentioned or trying to explain away any of the discrepancies.

I could have started this thread and cried how unfair everything is and made myself out to be a victim and sounded offedned etc. but instea I'm trying to lay down facts and have a rational argument.

You can be tired all you want. Facts don't lie.

Donald Chump would disagree with you!


This is the reason i dont use PayPal for any reason, i see so many posts about issues with them, here and on other boards.

I think you missunderstand some facts about paypal payments.

if you send money to a business account this money will never be available at the other side
right away. actually it is after 4 weeks avaiable.

otherwize you need to send the money to "friends and family" and then it is available on the other end nearly realtime.

the problem on "friend and family" is that you can not call back such a transaction.

why don´t you guys simply use something like transferwise ?

you have a real account there what you can use like any other account
you get a ATM card
you can exchange money within a millisecond at a rate that no bank gives you
you can transfer money to any physical account in the world in the currency you want with VERY low fees and in high speed.
and if you once understand their system it is very easy to use.

honestly i am doing most of my international transactions with them and safe more time and money as before.

correct - it is a piece of shit but unfortunately widely used and it gives you high security when you buy something. but apart from that it is the most unfriendly company I know and acting like you deal with their money and not with yours.

if i would be able i would FUCK THEM.

Who is going to fill that void in your head once Trump is out of office?

I thinking about getting transferwise but the thing is i simply have too much bad experience with systems which are not actual bank so i kind a hesitate.

Yep i dislike PayPal. Years ago around 2000 i had a design company in Budapest do some work for me. The total amount was $5000 which they requested i send via Pay Pal. After about 7 days they, the design company, asked where the payment was. I contacted PayPal who said they are holding the money as the company in Budapest was not allowed to have an account in that country ? Long story short they never got the money from PayPal and i never got the money back. $5000 down the drain. I paid the design company via Western Union but never got my refund from PayPal !

I sent it via the "Friend" option so like you said it should have been available in realtime. And it was as the agent on the phone from PPal confirmed to me.





I didn't know about them, but thanks for the recommendation.

Fiddy outraged webmasters all in a row.

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PayPal confirmed that he didn’t have the funds in his account???

That’s a violation of Federal law if you disclose private personal information or fund amounts to unauthorized people. What’s in my account is nobody’s business but me and those I designate.

That in itself, if true, is reason enough to pull out of PayPal. Shit, when near death, my parents went to my local bank to remove money. They are known there but legally they couldn’t find out IF I had an account, let alone the balance. Mom went to court as my guardian to get control of my accounts, CDs, investments and safe deposit boxes. I’d given her a list before I went downhill.

I’d be at my attorney’s office if PayPal gave my information to anyone.

This will be settled eventually and the anger is understandable. But hashing it out in public won’t make it happen faster. You both learned lessons and we know who we can and can’t trust

As I have said repeatedly, this is so so unfair people being allowed to write this shit. mopek1 is a liar. He/she refers to facts. Exactly what facts are these? Facts where you can write anything you wish here?
Why would I refund the person within a couple of hours of the payment being made?
Why would I respond to his PMs from the moment he sent the PP up to the time the payment was refunded?
Why have I been active in this thread if I really wanted to disappear with this person's payment?
Why would I ruin my 16 year old account for less than £200?
Everything I have posted in this thread has been true and correct and I even contacted PP myself to find out where his refund was.

This is shit and I am done here.

The agent looked into the transactions between us. Saw everything. Then said that my refund is coming via E-CHECK. He said that in EVERY SINGLE CASE (like ours anyway), the reason for an E-CHECK is because there is not enough in the user's Paypal balance. He said that my refund would have been instant if the amount I sent was still there. So it's a matter of logic rather than disclosure.

So while he never told me exactly what Statiztics balance was, which I agree would be a violation, he told me that by looking into our accounts, by looking at the transactions, that if Statiztics had enough to cover my refund it would be instant. This is not a violation of trust as knowing that my refund is going to take 3-8 days, and knowing the refund is coming via E-CHECK, makes the information OBVIOUS to all parties that whatever I sent to him is no longer there, and that there is not enough balance in his account. This is simple logic and not disclosure of another account user's info.

Hope that clears that up.

Little advice here, Next time you make a Deal DO NOT WITHDRAW FUNDS until the deal is completed !
YOU SEEMS TO HAVE WITHDRAW FUNDS prior to complete the deal >>> VERY WRONG . As i see it echeck refunds from you to OP..... SKETCHY AS FUCK IMO .

Being a long time members on GFY dosent give you ANY notoriety. :1orglaugh WTF
I have been Scammed / Attempt to be scam in the past by many VETERAN on this board. :helpme
There is some old School Vet that still making REAL business here and i have made many deal with them. :thumbsup
But there is always that few OLD CROOK VET hanging around GFY looking for their next newbi with not much experience to get advantage of......
:2 cents:

Most of what you and I wrote are true. So we agree on most of the facts. Look back through this thread and you'll see that's the case.

Maybe because I threatened to start a PP dispute and start a thread here if you didn't refund me.

Being in this business many years, I've been scammed many times and learned many lessons. Sometimes, the scammer takes the money and is never heard from again. Sometimes, the scammer stays in contact and the PMs and emails are endless - which serves to reassure the person being scammed until they give up ... or ... serves to put up a false front which will hopefully fool the person being scammed that the money has disappeared and nobody knows where it was ... a glitch perhaps.


1- You have a reputation to try to salvage that goes back 16 years.

2- It is a tactic. Again, some people lay low and stay silent hoping it goes away and no more attention is put on them than is necessary. Other people express outrage and fight hard ("I did not have relations with that woman").

I bought traffic from a GFY user that was all fake. I posted in his thread that it was all fake traffic. He denied and fought hard and is still selling to this day. I can show you the thread if you like. That is the tactic he chose, denial and to constantly fight anyone who says otherwise. But, my host company, telling me that the reason why my sites were down was because of a massive spike in China, bot traffic did nothing to change his tactic.

Desperation is my guess. Thinking you could easily get away with it is perhaps another.

Everything you posted is true. Except for one tiny omission and one fact.

And you don't need to contact PP to see where my refund is? I told you, it is on it's way.

You continually repeat things that I don't disagree with. Probably to shift attention from the things that I do disagree with.

You keep saying that yet you keep posting even when I am no longer talking to you or saying anything new.

Hey Statiztics
 

You dont care about your GFY user name...... So much it is or was for sale :2 cents:

You tried to sell this GFY user name Statiztics and old business link to this user name since 2017.

https://gfy.com/sell-and-buy-forum/1...ars-sales.html

" Im a member of GFY since 16 years bla bla bla BULLSHIT " = sketchy AS FUCK TBH :2 cents:

Is People like you that ruin the VET reputation on this board with shit like this. Being a long time members dosen't make you an angel in 2019.

Agreed. In my opinion, if he were legit, he wouldn't try defending himself so much. If Refund is supposed to be processed on the 22nd and he were confident it would happen, he would just tell the other guy to chill and that's it.

However, since he is here adamantly defending his "reputation" over something that can't be resolved before the 22nd, then that leads me to believe he might have some other hustles going on.

That's just my impression though and I might be wrong. Maybe on the 22nd the refund will be finalized and all of this back and forth will be for nothing.

Seems like "Brian mike" just answered that question above. Not long ago you were trying to sell it, so it's importance to you has obviously declined.

Not quite.

Whether the refund happens or not is irrelevant at this point.

What is relevant is that Statiztics told me that he received my payment via Paypal, but that he couldn't access the funds.

I asked for a refund and he initiated one. The refund is due in 8 days. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

If he couldn't access my funds then the refund should have been instant. Paypal's website confirmed that. Paypal's agent told me over the phone that if the funds were still in his account that the refund should have been instant. The agent told me that the refund is coming via an E-CHECK which could only mean one thing ....

... that the funds are coming from Statiztics bank account, NOT his Paypal account balance.

That means he lied. He DID have access to my funds but either withdrew the funds to his bank account or used them to make a payment for something else.

This means he was telling me a made up story so that he didn't have to send me the Paxum as part of our deal.

This is the main issue.

I hope OP will get his refund!!

any news, updates?
Its one of those Mondays! :)

Lil bump for a full refund . . .

I think it's pretty clear, if this transaction is proven to be fraud, that the original owner sold his username to the guy now commiting fraud with it. Again, IF this is proven to be fraud :2 cents:

Well this user cici131421 apparently purchased it. I say apparently because he said he sent Statiztics the cash but never got the domain or account. He even called him a scammer but Statiztics replied back and said let's iron it out. Then nothing after that.

Mopek contact cici131421 and try to sort it out. He was active yesterday.

I think CICI can have tried to bought sites NOT the user name :2 cents: !
Thats why i think CICI got scam by the same dude statistic at certain point.
Made some past deal with CICI like many on this board and cici is good people in my book.

Yeah possibly, but I'm wondering if it got resolved. Someone should message him and have him chime in here.

Any update on this ?

Either his e-check will clear and he's not a scammer or it bounces on the 22nd and he is a scammer.

Good to know thanks :thumbsup

Purchase date
Mar 14, 7:39 AM

Refund requested
Mar 14, 10:01 AM

Refund was declined
Mar 20, 4:30 AM


Refund was cancelled. My money is gone ....

Fuck . . .

Sorry to hear that man :(

What's the status of your dispute?

I guess I was right. What he did was text book scamming 101. Hope nobody else got scammed in the meantime.

I've heard nothing yet.

I also don't see my dispute there anymore. Meaning no open cases. It's possible they didn't think it important enough, or a valid dispute (since they couldn't prove anything was sent to anyone as this was a digital transaction).

In any case, my lesson learned.

Did you post his Paxum and PayPal account for the search engines?

It's a shame... they :costumed13 strike again ..

Got any info on the dude? Post up what you have. Message the other guy (cici131421) that got burned by him and see what he has.

This! Post up everything you got.

Sorry to ssee this shit happen.

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Just playing devils advocate here as I have some experience with PayPal, business and money.
You are correct in saying that if they are unable to refund instantly then they have withdrawn the money and would need to refund from a bank account.
It does not mean they were intentionally scamming you.