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TheSquealer 04-07-2019 07:54 AM

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Rochard 04-07-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22446914)
Mark is STILL obsessed with this! :1orglaugh



So the IRS has it ALL. Even is he's not being audited,, the IRS has everything. The IRS can file criminal charges when there is wrongdoing.

Has the IRS filed criminal charges?

NO?? Great, move on with life :thumbsup

This is a false statement. The IRS is only interested in tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate bank fraud or insurance fraud. For example, the IRS does not say "Gee, you received $200k from your insurance company due to hurricane damage" and then investigate the insurance claim or the actual damage. The IRS just cares that the taxes were paid.

We want to see his taxes to see if he has committed any kind of fraud.

Why wouldn't he release his tax forms? We originally thought that he wouldn't release his tax forms because they would look bad - Trump claims he made a huge amount of money, and it would look bad if he made hundreds of millions of dollars and paid no taxes or if he didn't make the kind of money he told he us made. Now it's become clear he has committed fraud over and over again. We know that he made a false insurance claim for hurricane damage that didn't happen, and he also took money from a 9/11 fund that he shouldn't have.

Trump is dirty from the ground up. He has always been.

This is never going to go away. Trump and his family will be hounded until the end of time.

onwebcam 04-07-2019 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22447555)
This is a false statement. The IRS is only interested in tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate bank fraud or insurance fraud. For example, the IRS does not say "Gee, you received $200k from your insurance company due to hurricane damage" and then investigate the insurance claim or the actual damage. The IRS just cares that the taxes were paid.

We want to see his taxes to see if he has committed any kind of fraud.

Why wouldn't he release his tax forms? We originally thought that he wouldn't release his tax forms because they would look bad - Trump claims he made a huge amount of money, and it would look bad if he made hundreds of millions of dollars and paid no taxes or if he didn't make the kind of money he told he us made. Now it's become clear he has committed fraud over and over again. We know that he made a false insurance claim for hurricane damage that didn't happen, and he also took money from a 9/11 fund that he shouldn't have.

Trump is dirty from the ground up. He has always been.

This is never going to go away. Trump and his family will be hounded until the end of time.

As if his personal tax returns are going to tell you any of that shit.

This issue has already blown up in your faces once... It will again.

VRPdommy 04-07-2019 02:35 PM

Would you suppose they are still auditing his returns of 2/3 years ago ?

I don't think so.

The current year would be on audit.

So what is the excuse for the previous 2 years outside of he just plain lied when he said he would release them.

kane 04-07-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22447724)
Would you suppose they are still auditing his returns of 2/3 years ago ?

I don't think so.

The current year would be on audit.

So what is the excuse for the previous 2 years outside of he just plain lied when he said he would release them.

He is making any excuse he can to not show them.

I would imagine this means they will either show he has significantly less money than he says he has, is paying very little in taxes, or he is up to his eyes in debt and may be in debt to some shady people.

Personally, I think it is one of the second two. If he is worth less, he could spin that and it's not that big of a deal. If he is in massive debt or paying very little or nothing in taxes is will make him look pretty bad and have people questioning his moves.

Busty2 04-07-2019 03:01 PM

Personally i wouldn't have an issue if he paid little or no tax, provided it was done within the confines of the tax laws as they stand as the time of submission. All good business men / accountants would do this to the best of there ability. I mean why pay more than you need to. I know in my businesses my accountants both in the UK and USA work very hard to legally minimize my tax burden.

The bigger issue would be where his money comes from where he borrows money from and his total assets compared to his assets declared on his insurance and loans. This is where he would have issues ?

Robbie 04-07-2019 03:05 PM

Tax returns are private.
The opposition party just wants them for political reasons to try and embarrass the President.

It's not a law by the way.
It's something that NO President in history ever did until Nixon did it as a political ploy in his campaign.

Ford did not show his ever.

So 7 Presidents in all of history have ever made their private tax returns public.

And somehow the media, Democrat politicians, and anti-Trumpers have convinced some of you that you have a right to see what is none of your business.

How about this: look at the economy, look at foreign policy, look at trade, and look at domestic policy.
If you like it...vote for Trump in 2020.
If you don't, then vote for whoever the Democrat is.

That is ALL that matters...the actual JOB that Trump is doing as President and how it impacts the lives of our citizens.

Rochard 04-07-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22447734)
Tax returns are private.

Yet every Presidential candidate during my lifetime has released their taxes.

What does he have to hide?

Robbie 04-07-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22447743)
Yet every Presidential candidate during my lifetime has released their taxes.

What does he have to hide?

No, they did not.

Were you born after Nixon was President? He was the first in YOUR lifetime. And his successor President Ford did NOT show his tax returns.
And President Reagan didn't want to make his public either. He was quite clear that he didn't think it was anyone's business.

He reluctantly released his under pressure from advisers, but always regretted it.

It's a PRIVATE thing.

It has zero bearing on the job a President does.

And it's purely political. Not sure what you can't "understand" (as usual) about that.

And it's none of our business what he has to "hide". It's irrelevant and none of your fucking business.

Furthermore...have ANY of you in the past EVER sat down and read the SEVEN President's tax returns in all of history who have ever released their tax returns to the public?

Of course not! Why would we? It's fucking boring numbers. Just try reading your own tax return without saying "Fuck this" and doing something (anything) else with your time.

WTF is wrong with you people? Are you this dense that you don't realize that Nixon (the first President EVER to do it) did it for political purposes in his campaign?

And it's been the same for all the other SIX who did it as well?

I don't give a fuck what Trump is "hiding". If it's illegal the IRS would have already convicted him.
Otherwise? It's none of your fucking business.

Mr Pheer 04-07-2019 10:49 PM

Showing his tax returns would just generate more animosity, especially from the left.

It's the same reason I would never show mine and why I stopped posting my stats screenshots. Been there done that.

Mr Pheer 04-08-2019 12:32 AM

50 tax returns

VRPdommy 04-08-2019 04:40 AM

So how would you otherwise know if he is invested in those company's building the wall ?
Just a example.

What he actually fears is all the shell company's and the relationships with foreign entities. Company's you would otherwise have no idea who owns them.

Trump is 'all debt' and I could care less if he pays no taxes legally.
It is the possibility of corruption and undue influence that is at issue here.

If this reveal is not right for potus, then it is not right for Congress and has been required for them. Most candidates have been from congress or governors of states that have similar requirements.

It may be the only method the people have of 'vetting' their POTUS before a election.

If so many are willing to die to protect these returns, let the chips fall where they may.

While I would expect and respect that none of you would like your taxes revealed in public, you are not running for nor in the highest office in the land.

Robbie 04-08-2019 06:54 AM

Because every "reporter" from every media organization is watching everything they can find on the border wall and every last penny Trump spends on anything.

And again...the IRS already knows what is in his return.
There is a reason that politicians aren't allowed to see people's personal info.
That's the kind of thing done in authoritarian countries.

Robbie 04-08-2019 06:57 AM

By the way...most in Congress and the Senate also refuse to make their tax returns public.
It may be law (that Congress itself passed), but they still just ignore it.

Google it for yourself.

crockett 04-08-2019 08:53 AM

Robbie the gut who demanded we see Obama's birth certificate now thinks its outrageous we ask to see Trump's tax returns. Trump has lied countless times about his business dealings with Russians yet Robbie doesn't see anything wrong with that..

Robbie is a cuck

RedFred 04-08-2019 08:54 AM

Robbie also see's no problem with Trump lying multiple times about releasing his taxes after the election.

bronco67 04-08-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22447811)

It has zero bearing on the job a President does.

.

Oh really? Zero? The source of the president's income has no bearing on decisions he makes? Especially this president...who makes every decision based on money? You really are a dumb fuckwad traitor.

crockett 04-08-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22447993)
Oh really? Zero? The source of the president's income has no bearing on decisions he makes? Especially this president...who makes every decision based on money? You really are a dumb fuckwad traitor.

Robbie is the dumbest of the dumb.. I'm almost willing to be in a IQ test between aimike & Robbie.. Robbie would lose.

bronco67 04-08-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22447997)
Robbie is the dumbest of the dumb.. I'm almost willing to be in a IQ test between aimike & Robbie.. Robbie would lose.

Their combined IQ would be a number not quantifiable by MIT mathematicians. The result of the equation would be negative fuckwad squared.

crockett 04-08-2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22448000)
Their combined IQ would be a number not quantifiable by MIT mathematicians. The result of the equation would be negative fuckwad squared.


LoL.....

VRPdommy 04-08-2019 12:16 PM

You can not see who actually owns a 'corporation' unless they want you to know. (should change)
The wall was but a example that I can think of over a dozen more likely items far worse.
The media can chase that all they want and likely get nowhere.
Tax returns will tell you just that, unless you are frauding the government, which I assume is not the case.

Robbie 04-08-2019 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22448069)
You can not see who actually owns a 'corporation' unless they want you to know. (should change)
The wall was but a example that I can think of over a dozen more likely items far worse.
The media can chase that all they want and likely get nowhere.
Tax returns will tell you just that, unless you are frauding the government, which I assume is not the case.

And of course...The IRS ALREADY has every tax return that Trump ever filed.

If anyone would like to test that...just try cheating on your taxes or laundering money or anything at all suspicious and just watch what the IRS does to you.

All the media and the Democrat politicians want his tax returns for are to use them against him in the 2020 campaign. Nothing more, nothing less.

It would be bad enough to make your private affairs (that have NOTHING to do with your elected position and the job you are doing) available to even one person...much less your political enemies who are not only out to destroy you politically, but also personally and have went after your family and anyone associated with you.

Why in the world would anyone willingly hand those assholes more ammunition?

imabro 04-08-2019 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22446915)
No we care, because we already know he's a criminal and soon it gets proven the soon we never have to hear him utter stupid shit again

Also I will take great pleasure seeing him get his ego deflated..

You think the IRS wouldn't have already done something if he committed a crime revealed by his tax returns?

You should check for an exhaust leak in your van. Your logic is turning to mush

imabro 04-08-2019 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22446953)
I think all elected officials should have to disclose their taxes. The voters deserve to know where their money came from, who they owe, or what their businesses are.

Hell, there are a lot of jobs in the FBI, CIA, and other law enforcement where you have to get a credit check and divulge your financial information. If it is good enough for law enforcement it is good enough for Mayors, Governors, Senators, Presidents, etc.

Where in Oregon are background checks and credit reports released to the public?

imabro 04-08-2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22447020)
So then, Trump shouldn't be so scared. Yet he is. What is he afraid of and what is he trying to hide?

He probably thinks it is none of your fucking business, and he would be right.

What makes you think your Canadian opinion matters to him?

imabro 04-08-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22447523)
So it matters more to be born the in the USA than it matters to not be an unethical piece of shit who cheats and swindles his way through life? And stop with the Kenya shit. You're a fucking moron.

It's the fucking law.

imabro 04-08-2019 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22447743)
Yet every Presidential candidate during my lifetime has released their taxes.

What does he have to hide?

During your lifetime, like that should be the bar. You aren't that fucking old.

VRPdommy 04-08-2019 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22448076)
And of course...The IRS ALREADY has every tax return that Trump ever filed.

If anyone would like to test that...just try cheating on your taxes or laundering money or anything at all suspicious and just watch what the IRS does to you.

All the media and the Democrat politicians want his tax returns for are to use them against him in the 2020 campaign. Nothing more, nothing less.

It would be bad enough to make your private affairs (that have NOTHING to do with your elected position and the job you are doing) available to even one person...much less your political enemies who are not only out to destroy you politically, but also personally and have went after your family and anyone associated with you.

Why in the world would anyone willingly hand those assholes more ammunition?

Well Robbie,
if there is something in there that can be used against him, it should be and you know that everyone else in modern history running for that office has shown theirs and been scrutinized for it's contents as they are.

I could care less about what party any of them are from, people have a right to know that the highest office in the land is not making decisions for personal gain over the peoples.

And there should not be any reason that he has been unwilling to provide this information unless it indeed damages him worse than his own mouth does.
The more he resists it, the more suspicious I am.
If he is as proud of his personal financial accomplishments as he says, he should be proud to release it.

When the dust settles on this issue, it should be required by law just like the other federal elected offices.

kane 04-08-2019 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by imabro (Post 22448288)
Where in Oregon are background checks and credit reports released to the public?

For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.

VRPdommy 04-08-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22448296)
For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.

Agreed with additional notes...
That FBI agent your referring is 'not a elected official' and while his credit report is not made public, it is looked at and scrutinized by internal security and may effect getting the job or promotions.

Why should POTUS be less than that. The people HIRE him/her. The people have the option on what is important to them. Bad or not.

kane 04-08-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22448302)
Agreed with additional notes...
That FBI agent your referring is 'not a elected official' and while his credit report is not made public, it is looked at and scrutinized by internal security and may effect getting the job or promotions.

Why should POTUS be less than that. The people HIRE him/her.

Correct. They look it over and it can have an effect on them getting hired or promoted. They don't hire you unless they know a hell of a lot about you.

Rochard 04-08-2019 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22448296)
For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.

Bingo.

Who do you think Trump owes money to? Only one bank was lending to him - Why do you think that is?

Robbie 04-08-2019 09:23 PM

Guys think about it for a second. ..the NSA already knows everything about all of us.
Further, they especially watch public figures.
Further still, they very, very closrly monitor politicians.
And finally...they went after Trump with a vengeance...even to the point of making shit up (the dossier)

There is nothing that Trump has done with any finances that isn't already known by the spy agencies

That, along with the fact that the IRS has everything Trump ever did financially should tell you there is nothing there.

Mueller and his band of anti-Trump investigators would have led him out of the Oval office in handcuffs.

The ONLY reason any of you haters want to see his taxes is so you can feel good about yourself while crowing about Trump not having as much money as he brags about.

Grow up. The country is doing better right now than it has since Pres. Clinton was in office.

If you still want to act like a baby ..then vote Trump out in 2020, vote for whichever socialist runs against him...and watch the economy collapse.

astronaut x 04-08-2019 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22448332)

The ONLY reason any of you haters want to see his taxes is so you can feel good about yourself while crowing about Trump not having as much money as he brags about.

Brags? You mean lies. It's nice that you are comfortable with him being a liar.

As long as your stocks are up... You will blindly except and explain away anything about Trump.

VRPdommy 04-10-2019 01:08 PM

It is not the NSA's job to investigate internally as in domestics, including the president. that is the FBI's job.

And even if NSA does know something, they can't say anything unless it has been brought up by those internal investigations by the FBI. They have to ask for it in a lead to what they might be looking into in a chain of evidence with a known/suspicion of a crime. The NSA is not a prosecutor of the law.

All of that gets more complicated because it is POTUS. For as much as we like to think he is not above the law, in many ways, POTUS is if he wishes to be.

crockett 04-10-2019 01:14 PM

Robbie sure is making a lot of excuses for Trump, meanwhile when Obama was POTUS Robbie couldn't stop finding things to complain about.. Robbie is a liar just like aimike, onehunlow, onewebcam, matt26z ect..ect.. He has no interest in debating honestly. He's a proven liar just like every single one of the other red hats. You can't point to a single Trump supporter and say that guy doesn't lie.. every single one of them lies.

astronaut x 04-10-2019 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22449391)
Robbie sure is making a lot of excuses for Trump, meanwhile when Obama was POTUS Robbie couldn't stop finding things to complain about.. Robbie is a liar just like aimike, onehunlow, onewebcam, matt26z ect..ect.. He has no interest in debating honestly. He's a proven liar just like every single one of the other red hats. You can't point to a single Trump supporter and say that guy doesn't lie.. every single one of them lies.

Robbie is a cuck no? Like for real not just joking?

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crockett 04-10-2019 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 22449394)
Robbie is a cuck no? Like for real not just joking?

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Yes a real social libertarian...

Robbie 04-10-2019 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22449388)
It is not the NSA's job to investigate internally as in domestics, including the president. that is the FBI's job.

And even if NSA does know something, they can't say anything unless it has been brought up by those internal investigations by the FBI. They have to ask for it in a lead to what they might be looking into in a chain of evidence with a known/suspicion of a crime. The NSA is not a prosecutor of the law.

All of that gets more complicated because it is POTUS. For as much as we like to think he is not above the law, in many ways, POTUS is if he wishes to be.

You are kidding right???
Did you not keep up with Edward Snowden releasing all the info on the NSA spying on American citizens???
WTF man.

The NSA knows EVERYTHING. If they had ever thought Trump was a Russian spy he would have been arrested immediately.

Those motherfuckers know what you had for dinner last night.

VRPdommy 04-10-2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22449554)
You are kidding right???
Did you not keep up with Edward Snowden releasing all the info on the NSA spying on American citizens???
WTF man.

The NSA knows EVERYTHING. If they had ever thought Trump was a Russian spy he would have been arrested immediately.

Those motherfuckers know what you had for dinner last night.

I don't have to argue the point. It is written as the law. Look it up.
Knowing everything is not prosecuting the law. There is a procedure that they must follow.
Part of the sequence they are currently investigating as to the legality of the special council investigation and earlier FBI investigations.
So, you can't have it both ways. There are laws and procedures. You must have just cause to investigate. And your investigation must be tied to evidence in a chain of connecting evidence, or it stops where the chain is broken.

You can not put pieces of different puzzles together and say they fit if they do not. Clear connection is required.

When is the last time you seen the NSA prosecute a case against a citizen ?

If they did not need all of this, in this way, trump would most likely be in jail, so it is a good thing in any case(and in my eyes) as much as it pains me to say that.


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