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marlboroack 04-10-2019 10:42 PM

Why does it matter

MaDalton 04-11-2019 04:06 AM

From the mouth (or small fingers) of Trump himself:

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April 2011: “I’ll be doing my tax returns at the appropriate time. I haven’t even announced yet.”

January 2012: “You know if you’re running, at a minimum, probably you’re gonna have to show your returns.”

May 2014: “If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns. Absolutely. And I would love to do that.”

February 2015: “I would certainly show tax returns if it was necessary... I have no objection to certainly showing tax returns.”

April 2015: “I wanna tell you right now, I have no problem with giving my tax returns.”

August 2015: “We’ll see what I’m gonna do with tax returns. I have no major problem with it, but I may tie them to a release of Hillary’s emails.”

October 2015: “Maybe when we find out the true story on Hillary’s emails.”

January 2016: “We’re working on that right now. I have very big returns, as you know. And I have everything all approved and very beautiful, and we’ll be working on that over the next period of time. We’re working on it right now and at the appropriate time you’ll be very satisfied.”

February 2016: “Probably over the next few months. They’re being worked on right now. It’s very complicated stuff, but we’ll be releasing them.”

February 2016: “I’d say over the next 3, 4 months. We’re working on them very hard and they’ll be very good.”

February 2016: “I will absolutely give my return, but I’m being audited now for two or three years, so I can’t do it until the audit is finished. Obviously. As soon as the audit is done, I love it.”

May 2016: “I will really gladly give them. When the audit ends, I’m gonna present ‘em. That should be before the election. I hope it’s before the election.”

September 2016: “And when the audit’s complete I’ll release my returns. I have no problem with it. It doesn’t matter.”

September 2016 Debate: “I will release my tax returns — against my lawyer’s wishes — when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.”
Trump becomes president.

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April 2017: “We’ll have to get back to you on that.”
Nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax returns, even while under audit from the IRS. Trump refused to provide an audit letter to prove that he’s under audit. Even Michael Cohen testified that he was unable to obtain one.

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April 2019: “Oh, no, never. Nor should they.”
Makes me wonder who really are the ones with derangement syndrome - those who call Trump out on this or those who blindly follow that psychopathic clown.

bronco67 04-11-2019 07:25 AM

To answer the question....

ONLY EVERYTHING.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 07:25 AM

With all the fuss about Trump's tax returns, one would think the Democrats would be passing a law that made it mandatory for elected officials to open their books on where their money comes from.

But!!!

VRPdommy 04-14-2019 07:34 PM

At least 3 states will not allow him to appear on the ballot if he does not show them.

I had to think about this for a moment...
And I can't find a reason this would not be allowed. States get to set their voting rules by themselves and must live up to them on day of election.

But still I see perhaps one more SC fight.

In any case, I think it is a bad idea in president. But perhaps glad it will likely be tested now and know what the standard is going to be as it can be changed. But it is one of those issues the right may have problems fighting since they are always claiming states rights (when it suits them). Example being stripping states rights to regulate their interest rates for credit cards and drinking age etc.

imabro 04-14-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22452171)
At least 3 states will not allow him to appear on the ballot if he does not show them.

I had to think about this for a moment...
And I can't find a reason this would not be allowed. States get to set their voting rules by themselves and must live up to them on day of election.

But still I see perhaps one more SC fight.

In any case, I think it is a bad idea in president. But perhaps glad it will likely be tested now and know what the standard is going to be as it can be changed. But it is one of those issues the right may have problems fighting since they are always claiming states rights (when it suits them). Example being stripping states rights to regulate their interest rates for credit cards and drinking age etc.

What 3 states was he not on the ballot?

Rochard 04-14-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22447914)
Because every "reporter" from every media organization is watching everything they can find on the border wall and every last penny Trump spends on anything.

And again...the IRS already knows what is in his return.
There is a reason that politicians aren't allowed to see people's personal info.
That's the kind of thing done in authoritarian countries.

The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.

VRPdommy 04-14-2019 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by imabro (Post 22452175)
What 3 states was he not on the ballot?

Obviously, this has not happened yet... it was a threat for when the ballots are created.

VRPdommy 04-14-2019 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22452178)
The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.

At a minimum,
The way I read the law, it is legal for congress, or at least intelligence committee of the House and or Senate, to review them, but not release them to the public and commence investigations based on the findings. But eventual release of parts that lead to high crimes or misdemeanors would have to be made public. But it has to start with a reasonable suspicion of a crime to bring those tax returns into question. It requires a chain of evidence to take you to those returns.

But congress is using some other older statue to do the same. perhaps a little cleaner with respect to a challenge in the SC.

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Sanders told “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace that she thought members of Congress “weren’t smart enough” to understand Trump’s tax returns.

“This is a dangerous, dangerous road,” said Sanders. “And frankly, Chris, I don't think Congress, particularly not this group of congressmen and women, are smart enough to look through the thousands of pages that I would assume that President Trump’s taxes will be.”

tony286 04-15-2019 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22446944)
he could be like me???? my income is none of your biz. just sayin...

Now if he never became President then your right but he is our president. So he loses its none of our business. Presidents have only been doing this for 40 yrs but Trump doesn't do it and it's ok. If Obama did half of what he did, the board righties would be screaming to high heaven.

tony286 04-15-2019 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22452178)
The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.

I don't think its crimes he is hiding. I think it's first he isn't really a billionaire or its 1 or 2 not 10. Also that all his financing comes from Russia as his own son said in 2014. Which probably makes him a Russia asset because of the financial connection. But the righties are hypocrites, When Rommey ran he said Russia was the biggest threat and they all cheered. Now its like they aren't that bad. Just like debt was the biggest problem and end of the world while Obama was President now its not so important as Trump is running it to new highs. lol

VRPdommy 04-15-2019 02:05 PM

Quite honestly, I think it is his debt structure and the way he has went about it.

Some of that could be illegal ? But I'm sure he has been lying to those financial institutions and perhaps those in other country's.

But more important, the level of debt probably puts him at risk of undue influence. That part needs revealed publicly to be sure judgements are fair and by the voters only, provided no wrong doing is found.

kane 04-15-2019 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22452700)
Quite honestly, I think it is his debt structure and the way he has went about it.

Some of that could be illegal ? But I'm sure he has been lying to those financial institutions and perhaps those in other country's.

But more important, the level of debt probably puts him at risk of undue influence. That part needs revealed publicly to be sure judgements are fair and by the voters only, provided no wrong doing is found.

There are stories that he is hundreds of millions in debt to some pretty shady banks and he lied about his assets to get those loans. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, that is something he would not want getting out there.

VRPdommy 04-16-2019 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22452719)
There are stories that he is hundreds of millions in debt to some pretty shady banks and he lied about his assets to get those loans. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, that is something he would not want getting out there.

As I have said in these threads for years, his debt is kinda pf a pyramid structure (upside down).
He is lucky if he can maintain the interest payments on it.
Rates go up a quarter point, he needs new loans to cover for it on top of new loans to maintain it.

Undoubtedly, this will unravel sometime soon. But while he is still POTUS ? Probably not.

It will come when nobody will give him new loans or interest spikes to much to soon.
But in a way, the banks will not take action even if they now know. Realizing the losses would devastate them. As long as he maintains those interest payments, all is good.
There are to many eyes on him for him to make many of the plays he might have, many have to be disclosed while in office.
And if you have been paying attention, he seems overly concerned with interest rates.
Lying about the value of assets would be top on the list.

ztik 04-16-2019 03:00 AM

They want to use it against him to make the poor liberals be more jealous

VRPdommy 04-16-2019 05:11 PM

Just keep in mind, when those bank loans go south, it will be a chain reaction just like Bernie Madoff.

But guess who pays for the Billions down the tubes...
You do in many different forms from the banks trying to make up for the losses and not limited to tax revenue you will need to offset eventually.

If congress does not get it now, everyone else will when he is no longer POTUS. But it is coming. His biz days are over when he leaves office.


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