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Paul Markham 04-10-2019 07:27 AM

Even their strongest supporters, Thommy and Stefan, can't give a single reason for the centralist rule of the EU. Because there isn't any other than their desire to lead Europe into their version of the New World Order.

Claiming the leaders are great thinkers, intellectuals and capable of addressing the problems of the world. In truth they're incompetent clowns. They failed on "Freedom of Movement, immigration, Crime, Euro, CAP, Corruption, etc.

https://bankwatch.org/success-stories/eu-funds-map

Top 10 Reasons The European Union Is Doomed - Listverse



We the people do not want nor need an organisation that runs Europe from the centre. We want our own regional governments to make and pass laws to deal with problems unique to our own country. Not some centralist bunch whose one aim is to unite the whole of Europe.

Anyone who claims the EU has meant an end to wars in Europe is a fool or lying. We have a bigger threat from Russia, the people have no desire to go to war with our neighbours and any attempt by them would be shut down, also so long as we trade and talk there's no need.

pimpmaster9000 04-10-2019 07:55 AM

listen to high school drop out paul...he knows better than anybody who went to school and actually did business :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 04-10-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22449043)
Still incapable of posting examples of what the EU has achieved. Non-EU countries can't achieve.

alzheimers is not allowing you to remember that he did actually answer :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sarn 04-10-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22449084)
listen to high school drop out paul...he knows better than anybody who went to school and actually did business :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

only liberals "highest educated" which call all stupid - lose everywhere :1orglaugh

Sarn 04-10-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22449054)
did you write this ranking by yourself ? Russia is in TOP 3 military worldwide

wtf lol....

comrade, are you feed today combat polish nato's horse?
I hear combat horses it is good against hydrogen bombs :1orglaugh

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22449054)
did you write this ranking by yourself ? Russia is in TOP 3 military worldwide

wtf lol....

Read again and then think about what I wrote: there are 29 countries in NATO... so... think hard now... very hard.... so Russia ranks 30th on the list. Got it? Or should i explain again?

cezar78 04-11-2019 12:56 AM

EU fuckers voted for ACTA2, i'm sure they soon will remove anonymity from bitcoin transactions and other stupid things aganist our freedom. My country should exit EU asap

P_RABID 04-11-2019 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22447910)
but anyway - greece is on a good way and the day is not so far when they will be a payer and not a receiver anymore.

That day will NEVER come, Greece is in eternal debt by the German Banks, The EU put Greece in artificial debt, making Greece borrow money with extremely high interest. As a result Greece has "sold" a large number of the countries assets for pennies on the dollar.

Greece will never be able to pay off these ridiculous loans and will eventually default and leave the EU under a Nationalist Right leaning Government, and by that I do not mean the racist NAZI political group "Golden Dawn".

The EU is a failure and a pathetic attempt to imitate the Unites States of America, The United States of Europe is never gonna happen, no member EU state is the same race of People, and do not speak the same language.

Basically joining the EU is like being a slave to Germany, In 2015 Greece had a Referendum vote to say not to Austerity and the overwhelming majority of Greeks votes "No", but the German Banks where not going to have this so they put Greece in severe Austerity and Capital Controls.

The EU and Germany had to make an example out of Greece so the rest of the low ranking EU states (Portugal, Italy, and Spain) would not step out of line.

Being in the EU is the same as being conquered by Hitlers Germany, only without the killing.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22449106)
only liberals "highest educated" which call all stupid - lose everywhere :1orglaugh

They use the lowly educated argument to cover the fact they have no argument.

Sarn 04-11-2019 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22449676)
Read again and then think about what I wrote: there are 29 countries in NATO... so... think hard now... very hard.... so Russia ranks 30th on the list. Got it? Or should i explain again?

massive winning :1orglaugh


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Sarn 04-11-2019 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22449701)
They use the lowly educated argument to cover the fact they have no argument.

they just insult others)) no arguments. focusing on personal insult ))

they very similar on commies in their attempt to piss against the wind

thommy 04-11-2019 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by P_RABID (Post 22449688)
That day will NEVER come, Greece is in eternal debt by the German Banks, The EU put Greece in artificial debt, making Greece borrow money with extremely high interest. As a result Greece has "sold" a large number of the countries assets for pennies on the dollar.

Greece will never be able to pay off these ridiculous loans and will eventually default and leave the EU under a Nationalist Right leaning Government, and by that I do not mean the racist NAZI political group "Golden Dawn".

The EU is a failure and a pathetic attempt to imitate the Unites States of America, The United States of Europe is never gonna happen, no member EU state is the same race of People, and do not speak the same language.

Basically joining the EU is like being a slave to Germany, In 2015 Greece had a Referendum vote to say not to Austerity and the overwhelming majority of Greeks votes "No", but the German Banks where not going to have this so they put Greece in severe Austerity and Capital Controls.

The EU and Germany had to make an example out of Greece so the rest of the low ranking EU states (Portugal, Italy, and Spain) would not step out of line.

Being in the EU is the same as being conquered by Hitlers Germany, only without the killing.

the problem is that many of you guys are blinded by paroles from people that are afraid from the economic power that a european union represents.

global trades are a MUST for every industry nation and it works the same way as every usual business works.
a country like greece would have no chance at all to survive and no chance to recover if there would not be this big unite that can shoulder a lot of their ballast and give them time.

infact greece was the reason why many european countries decreased their debts as they are one of the main reasons for the zero interest rate.
all this interest the EU countries safed because the interest on national debt went near to zero is MUCH more than all the debts greece ever had. so the EU including greece won already.

greece´s debt to GDP is still much too high but the GDP growth rate went up between 2010 and now from a negative -2% to +1% what is a good sign.

same thing happend to portugal and spain - the one and only country on the wrong way is italy. since they have voted this right wing idiots their GDP growth rate is falling and this will change the result of the next elections.

economic power and prosperity depends heavily on the buyer and seller market under one roof. make american states independend and they are bankrupt next week.

sure that a lot of countries are afraid of the same or even more power from a united europe. and sure that those countries do all to destroy it.
and the best way to destroy it is to give you the wrong facts or only parts of the facts.

one political decision is not simply doing ONE thing. such a decision is connected to many many many other effects. and there will be always positive and negative effects in whatever you decide. if someone tells you only the negative and forget to tell you the positive effects you end up at the position you have.

a europe without the EU will be a very poor europe - we would be slaves of the existing superpowers and possibly end up in a war against each other again.
especially because of people like trump, putin, edogan, kim and a few others who do not care or even ask allies, it is important to have a united europe that is first of all a strong economic power that can´t be overseen.

your understanding of germany´s position in the EU is also wrong.
Germany always did better than the other european nations - with or without the EU.
and with the EU this will not change much (except the fact that germany is always paying the most into the EU) - the concept of the EU is that countries that are doing better than others are helping the others to grow. so IF there would be a country with a real reason to exit - it would be germany. but you will not find a lot of people in germany - including extrem right wing parties - that think this is a good idea.

it might be possible that this right wingers in germany have this intension you fear - but you can be sure that Germany will never be a brown country anymore. german´s love the peace they had in the last 70 years and keep it as their highest good.

wherever you see wars in the world you can bet that a extreme right wing power is involved.

thommy 04-11-2019 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22449719)
they just insult others)) no arguments. focusing on personal insult ))

they very similar on commies in their attempt to piss against the wind

you forget one thing:

russia is still celebrating every year the victory over nazi-germany.
russians, americans, english are still seeing theirself as the ones that cleaned the planet from people that thought EXACTLY like you.

MaDalton 04-11-2019 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22449086)
alzheimers is not allowing you to remember that he did actually answer :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

that's the problem with Paul - in the beginning you think it's worth the effort replying - if not to him then at least to counter his insanity in public.

but it's really not worth it - he's either very sick or at least insanely rude by completely ignoring any point you make and just reply with more drivel that shows he either didn't read or didn't comprehend what you tell him.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449738)
the problem is that many of you guys are blinded by paroles from people that are afraid from the economic power that a european union represents.

global trades are a MUST for every industry nation and it works the same way as every usual business works.
a country like greece would have no chance at all to survive and no chance to recover if there would not be this big unite that can shoulder a lot of their ballast and give them time.

infact greece was the reason why many european countries decreased their debts as they are one of the main reasons for the zero interest rate.
all this interest the EU countries safed because the interest on national debt went near to zero is MUCH more than all the debts greece ever had. so the EU including greece won already.

greece´s debt to GDP is still much too high but the GDP growth rate went up between 2010 and now from a negative -2% to +1% what is a good sign.

same thing happend to portugal and spain - the one and only country on the wrong way is italy. since they have voted this right wing idiots their GDP growth rate is falling and this will change the result of the next elections.

economic power and prosperity depends heavily on the buyer and seller market under one roof. make american states independend and they are bankrupt next week.

sure that a lot of countries are afraid of the same or even more power from a united europe. and sure that those countries do all to destroy it.
and the best way to destroy it is to give you the wrong facts or only parts of the facts.

one political decision is not simply doing ONE thing. such a decision is connected to many many many other effects. and there will be always positive and negative effects in whatever you decide. if someone tells you only the negative and forget to tell you the positive effects you end up at the position you have.

a europe without the EU will be a very poor europe - we would be slaves of the existing superpowers and possibly end up in a war against each other again.
especially because of people like trump, putin, edogan, kim and a few others who do not care or even ask allies, it is important to have a united europe that is first of all a strong economic power that can´t be overseen.

your understanding of germany´s position in the EU is also wrong.
Germany always did better than the other european nations - with or without the EU.
and with the EU this will not change much (except the fact that germany is always paying the most into the EU) - the concept of the EU is that countries that are doing better than others are helping the others to grow. so IF there would be a country with a real reason to exit - it would be germany. but you will not find a lot of people in germany - including extrem right wing parties - that think this is a good idea.

it might be possible that this right wingers in germany have this intension you fear - but you can be sure that Germany will never be a brown country anymore. german´s love the peace they had in the last 70 years and keep it as their highest good.

wherever you see wars in the world you can bet that a extreme right wing power is involved.

Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22449755)
that's the problem with Paul - in the beginning you think it's worth the effort replying - if not to him then at least to counter his insanity in public.

but it's really not worth it - he's either very sick or at least insanely rude by completely ignoring any point you make and just reply with more drivel that shows he either didn't read or didn't comprehend what you tell him.

Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre.

Klen 04-11-2019 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22449843)
Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre.

Because it reduce administration costs.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449740)
you forget one thing:

russia is still celebrating every year the victory over nazi-germany.
russians, americans, english are still seeing theirself as the ones that cleaned the planet from people that thought EXACTLY like you.

Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre.

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22449843)
Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre.

Very simple: because else it will be ruled from the outskirts...

thommy 04-11-2019 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22449856)
Very simple: because else it will be ruled from the outskirts...

does not make sense

i don´t know haw many arguments he got in the replies - he is blind on everything he can´t understand.

regarding paul the adult industry does not even exist anymore because we are all bankrupt.

paul thinks of himself as the standard human being by whose measure everything is measured. he will never believe that he is part of the 1% that don´t understand really nothing about the world.

MaDalton 04-11-2019 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22449843)
Still unable to print a simple list of why Europe needs to be ruled from the centre

Still too busy otherwise to play with you, old man!

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 07:49 AM

Paul is like a fish… he cannot think more than 3 seconds ahead. That's why he sees an unperfect EU; unelected EU bureaucrates (Paul only accepts buttrapes from bureaucrates that were elected. Thats a huge difference… only the outcome: buttrapes, is the same!LOL); money going from rich too poor countries (yes thats going to last forever lol! no were not developing markets, we are just giving free money away there is no plan to back it up or justify it LOL); and then he considers the EU as FAILED! Only fishes and samelike fucktards cannot see that the EU is a work in progress! A transition! For that being able to see you must be able to look 3 seconds ahead!


So Paul is looking at his 3 seconds timespan of TODAY and thinks… hummm we can fix all shit with tradedeals! TRADEDEALS!!! blahblahmehmeh!!!
Geopolitics is looking 30 years ahead… but Paul wants to save the UK with tradedeals LOL!@!!! Tradedeals will be the least of Britains concerns 20 years from now… but Paul wants to save britain with Tradedeals! Jesus Christ you sound like a downer with a syfilis infected brain!

Ok lets see where is the world heading…
We have America picking up an isolationist attitude. Trumpstar is even debating NATO allready. With all respect but without NATO America could even risks loosing a war against Russia or China or risks at least very large damages…

We have China... they stepped up on the world stage... they are not stepping down anytime soon. They now slowly starting to think that they are obliged to their stature (and they are correct on this) to dominate their region. Because thats what every superpower ends up doing… dominating it's region. I can see how that gives a conflict with the USA.

We have Russia... What does it say about Russia that they regularly enter EU territory with heavily armed bombers aircrafts? Pure provocation…. What does that say? It is at least a very hostile attitude. What does it say Paul? Sure… they cant do anything in the world of today… and in Paul's world it is forever today!

Pauly Paul and the funny bunch think that the world is a fairground. That EUs wealth is here because the rest of this friendly world says: hey Europe! We like you! Here are our resources! Good luck with it and happy wealth!!!! Fact is: Europes wealth is backed by guns and bombs and was gained by killing and exploiting complete continents! Not because our entrepeneurs are soooo much smarter! Is this bad? No its human nature. I rather be the buttfucker then the buttfucked!!!

So now that we know this world is not a fairground Paul. Now that we know that Europe’s wealth is not LAW of nature.... What are 28 shitty Tiny armies going to do against geopolitically argressive, proven to be hostile countries with huge armies allready provocating all over the place! You suggest tradedeals you old fucktard?

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 07:51 AM

Russia want to dominate and influence its region Paul! And Europe is that region! You go out there and fix us Some tradedeals you fuckturd

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 07:59 AM

Superpowers scaling up in the battle for resources... Paul wants to scale down and fix us Some tradedeals lol

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 08:02 AM

Last time britain declared war they dived right into Londons Subway to hide for 5 years from all the bombs.
But hey! Paul Will fix us Some tradedeals!

LOL

thommy 04-11-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22449901)
Last time britain declared war they dived right into Londons Subway to hide from all the bombs.
But hey! Paul Will fix us Some tradedeals!

LOL

at least the brits still did not lost their humor...

halloween day for brexit hahahaha - if this is not an omen....

Trick or Treat
Smell my feet
Give me something good to eat.....

Sarn 04-11-2019 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449740)
you forget one thing:
russia is still celebrating every year the victory over nazi-germany.

You not like it? ))

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449740)
russians, americans, english are still seeing theirself as the ones that cleaned the planet from people that thought EXACTLY like you.

another lie

Anti-miscegenation laws were a part of American law in some States since before the United States was established and remained so until ruled unconstitutional in 1967 by the U.S. Supreme Court in Loving v. Virginia. The term miscegenation was first used in 1863, during the American Civil War, by American journalists to discredit the abolitionist movement by stirring up debate over the prospect of interracial marriage after the abolition of slavery. In those of the original Thirteen Colonies that became states and enacted such laws, they were enacted as state law in the early 18th century; a century or more after the complete racialization of slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-m..._United_States

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449738)
the problem is that many of you guys are blinded by paroles from people that are afraid from the economic power that a european union represents.

sure that a lot of countries are afraid of the same or even more power from a united europe. and sure that those countries do all to destroy it.
and the best way to destroy it is to give you the wrong facts or only parts of the facts.

a europe without the EU will be a very poor europe - we would be slaves of the existing superpowers and possibly end up in a war against each other again.
especially because of people like trump, putin, edogan, kim and a few others who do not care or even ask allies, it is important to have a united europe that is first of all a strong economic power that can´t be overseen.

Germoni failed EU)) Merkel did it - not Kim :1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22449738)
it might be possible that this right wingers in germany have this intension you fear - but you can be sure that Germany will never be a brown country anymore. german´s love the peace they had in the last 70 years and keep it as their highest good.

believe me :1orglaugh
https://searchforvegan.ru/sites/defa...getarianec.jpg

Sarn 04-11-2019 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22449856)
Very simple: because else it will be ruled from the outskirts...

very simple :1orglaugh
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Paul Markham 04-11-2019 10:35 AM

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the problem is that many of you guys are blinded by paroles from people that are afraid from the economic power that a european union represents.
Is that economic power driving the Euro, GDP, economy, living standards for the better off countries of Europe. Or pre-occupied trying to drag the lesser nations up by giving them loads of money?

Quote:

sure that a lot of countries are afraid of the same or even more power from a united europe. and sure that those countries do all to destroy it.
and the best way to destroy it is to give you the wrong facts or only parts of the facts.
The better off countries.

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a europe without the EU will be a very poor europe - we would be slaves of the existing superpowers and possibly end up in a war against each other again.
especially because of people like trump, putin, edogan, kim and a few others who do not care or even ask allies, it is important to have a united europe that is first of all a strong economic power that can´t be overseen.
The next world war will be the end of the Earth. So no more scare stories.

It would be great if the EU were led by super intelligent elite who didn't make fools of themselves. The evidence points in the other direction. Politicians aren't the brightest the country has to offer. Today clever people go into business and steer clear of politics.

Antonio Tajani

Donald Tusk

Jean-Claude Juncker

Angela Merkel

Emmanuel Macron

This is the quality of our political elite the Thommy is convinced will lead us into a brave new world. Which one has achieved anything? Even in politics they fuck up. The list of mistakes they make is longer than their list of achievements. Driven by political ideals that limit them.

The only reason they're playing hard ball with the UK deal to leave the EU is to warn other countries not to have a referendum. Because that will signal their end. The deal on the table ties the UK to the EU with no get out clause, evidence they intent to rule Europe whether Europeans want it or not.

Sarn 04-11-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22449876)
...
We have America...
We have Russia...
I rather be the buttfucker then the buttfucked!!!
...

this buttfuckers in your list provide 70 years peace :1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 04-11-2019 10:51 AM

the paul markham alzheimer dunning kruger: politicians are supposed to score blinding wins, global economy is easy, all problems have simple win/win solutions :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


dumb mother fucker :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sarn 04-11-2019 10:54 AM


:1orglaugh

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22449999)
this buttfuckers in your list provide 70 years peace :1orglaugh

Putin paid trolls cant write or read english... im doing my best but mostly do not understand one single fuck about what you say lol!

MaDalton 04-11-2019 11:37 AM

Here's the reality people like Markham can't or don't want to see. The problem is: when this takes full effect Markham will be dead and the young folks will suffer from it.

Then again: should have voted remain then instead of playing with their smartphones and jerking off

The strategic outlook for the UK automotive industry beyond Brexit
https://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/news/death-thousand-cuts

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Since the Brexit referendum all but one major decision have gone against the UK: Daimler cancelled its joint project with Nissan for Sunderland, Jaguar Land Rover moved production of the Discovery model to Slovakia, Honda announced the closure of its Swindon plant (even turning around the ship that was bringing production equipment to make the electric version of the Civic in the UK), and Nissan announced that the next generation of the X-trail SUV would be produced in Japan (making good use of the EU-Japan free-trade deal that has just come into force and will see import tariffs on cars taper away to zero). In addition, Toyota and BMW have both put out stark warnings that their UK production is under threat in a no-deal Brexit scenario. Toyota’s recent announcement to produce a Suzuki-badged version of its Corolla estate in the UK surely was welcome news in this context, while of course this will neither lead to new employment nor significant additional investment. Not surprisingly, overall investment in the industry has dropped by 80% over the last three years.

Paul Markham 04-11-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22449845)
Because it reduce administration costs.

Not for the better off countries.

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22450058)
The problem is: when this takes full effect Markham will be dead

Yeah... i’ve read today that the brexit will take another 6 months...

Struggle4Bucks 04-11-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22449999)
this buttfuckers in your list provide 70 years peace :1orglaugh

Ahhh I unraveled your babblings.... The Russians helped defeating the nazis; they sure did not provided or contributed to 70 years of peace...

From the last 70 years... The russians were hungry 60 of them...
You cant provide peace with an empty stomach...

pimpmaster9000 04-11-2019 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22450096)
Yeah... i’ve read today that the brexit will take another 6 months...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

thommy 04-11-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 22450101)
Ahhh I unraveled your babblings.... The Russians helped defeating the nazis; they sure did not provided or contributed to 70 years of peace...

but let´s not forget: when germany run into poland from the west the russians did it the same time from the east.

history isn't really something russians know a lot about. forgive him - he just doesn't know any better.

thommy 04-11-2019 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22450059)
Not for the better off countries.

you really sound like a supremacist

Do you know that you're scaring the young people who read here?

no - not because of your crazy theses, but they probably all believe that they all end up like you when they get older.

when i am as old as you and start to give such nonsense of me i hope that someone is there and pulls the plug from the internet. don't you notice which clown you make out of yourself?


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