Notice Robbie, Vendildo, baddog still hide.. grape made a appearance but he couldn't face reality but instead just complained about Hilary..

Red Hats were so quick to blame Obama for everything and call Hillary a criminal yet they can't utter a word about Trump because then other Red Hats will turn on them.. That's how cults work..

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You still havent told me what makes this economy bad. Let's start there.

Dumb imo

Anyone that thinks it's ok the "bailouts" happened is a criminal, or retarded. Are you one of them? ask yourself, are you actively rallying against it? if not, then you are lazy or fucked up too

That was/is the biggest fraud and it let criminal billionaires remain in power even until today.

My topic is about the deficit quit trying to distract. The economy is growing at the same 3% it has for several years. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is spending us into massive debt..

So lets talk about what this topic is about.. The deficit.

Added to this with inflation growth at 1.9 it means the economy is actually growing at only 1.1 or so then add in the fact that taxes are down by 1.8% it means all growth is null.

Next add up that 17% deficit and you can tell the economy will eventually crash. It's very easy to see..

Yet Trump is growing it much faster than Obama ever did... even with out bail outs.. So what do you have to say about that?

They all grow the deficits and both continue printing boatloads of cash to combat against it. Just as Greenspan said, US will never have true debt issues because they'll just continue printing more money.

Our gov's are corrupt with either president. It comes down to the money we use, imo.

Problem is you print to much (USD debt levels) and then a loaf of bread starts costing $350 bucks like Zimbabwe and Venezuela. America is the core currency at the moment so the effects are less but it still creates hyper inflation, Zimbabwe had 231,000,000% in a single year.

I do not support Trump's tax cuts for billionaires so you got that wrong.

The tax system is seriously out of date and unfit for purpose. This needs changing to something better for the 21st Century. Billionaires and large corporations are able to do business in a country without paying corporation tax when small companies have to pay.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=qcz...30.mntRPzMpeoI

Billionaires and large corporations will also cut labour costs given any chance.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=tcz...60.qTa-nc2ZV4M

They are also guilty of moving manufacturing to the 3rd World cutting jobs, costs and taxes in the 1st where they want to sell.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Sc3...21.hSjVkXKXo4c

A better tax system is called for.

Study where the government spends.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Vc3....nxEZM4kP2 sE

Grow wages, cut unemployment will reduce spending the most.

Do you really believe this started with Trump?

And how did they interfere? Did they pay for 1,000s of adverts on TV telling you the solutions were easy? Or a few bots of FB?

The reason Trump won was the Dems came up with the worse candidate possible and look like repeating that in 2020.

Bill Clinton was paying down the deficit, if Bush jr had kept Clinton's plan in place it would be paid off now.

Instead Bush jr came into office and took the surplus budget that Clinton created to pay off the deficit and gave it away in tax cuts.

Bush Jr then went on to spend US into oblivion and helped crash the economy which Obama was then left with to try and fix.

Obama grew the economy again and Trump comes right into gives tax cuts and is spending us into oblivion again..


Yet you are like every right winger.. you wont say anything bad about that you just use the easy out "both sides are bad"..

No clearly one side is much worse..

By your logic, it's like you're trying to judge "who's the best rapist?"

And everyone knows anyone throwing "you're this wing or that wing" is no argument. Tbh i am of no party, and no part of any that "wing" shit. I judge by what i think is right and wrong. And no president in my life ever seemed to truly aim to abolish debt or inflation. This to me says they are shady.

No I'm pointing out obvious differences while your logic is saying some kid stealing candy should be treated the same as a murderer..

No single president can ever do it alone. It wasn't created by a single one.. yet as I gave you example Clinton made big strides to paying it off then Bush wiped it all away..

Yeah but you lied. You're saying he ate up a surplus and created a deficit because of tax cuts. Did you leave out something there? I mean I hate the guy and think he was THE worst president we ever had, but can you be honest?

It wasn't technically a surplus because the deficit wasnt paid off but it's not a out of place term. If you consider less was being borrowed from the year before then that is what I mean by surplus..

The simple fact is if Bush had stuck to Clinton's plan we would not have a deficit right now or at worst it would be minimal.

Meaning for all intents and purposes the deficit we have now is because of Bush. Being he choose not to continue paying it down but instead to give tax cuts that fucked the economy and once again doubled the deficit.

Obama was left holding the bag of what Bush fucked up. He did as good as anyone could have considering..

Now we have Trump who was handed a growing economy something that wasnt handed to Obama and then he trashes it..

Trying to say they are all the same is a load of bullshit and you guys know it. It's a cop out because you dont want to face the facts.

Few countries in the West have debt and borrowing under control. https://www.graphicmaps.com/countrie...-the-most-debt

The reason is simple, we've given away our manufacturing industries and this has led to more people relying on the governments for money and less money coming in.

All you guys are doing is arguing over where the deck chairs should be on the Titanic.

Will the debts ever be called in like they are in Greece? That's all you need to worry about.

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