This is pretty much why I never went to shows.

I have always cultivated my own traffic & marketed my content so I didn't really need affiliates. What affiliates I did have I met online and they approached me, or I made some posts on a forum and they replied.

No reason to go to a show to meet the competition and be around a bunch of people you don't know that are getting drunk and fighting and I dunno. the show's look fun. They seemed really intimidating and chaotic to me. I know I'm likely wrong because the people who go to the shows always talk about how much they loved the shows and I've never been to a show so they would know better than me.

I'm best one-on-one in a focused situation but the shows always seemed like going to a high school reunion to me. I've also never been to high school reunions despite friends on Facebook trying to get me to go for years and years and years, longer than people in the industry have been trying to get me to go to shows :1orglaugh

I'm pretty sure that what Rochard doesn't understand is: there aren't any people there able to give people like me "tips".

And I love my friends and partners in billing and hosting. But we already do business. Great to see them in person and have a drink.

BUT...when the business was strong, these shows had a lot of ROI.
We always made a ton of money at the show, and even more over the year that followed the show from the business we picked up at the show.

We also used to shoot a ton of content while at the show. Which also led to making a lot of money.

Not so much anymore.

As a business owner, I look for some kind of return of investment. Just going to the shows and being seen by the same people over and over has no real value to me.
Especially when there is nobody there to do new business with me.

It's not the fault of the shows.

It's the state of the industry. Without a healthy business model there is no reason for them to exist.

Why would companies be jumping to fund and sponsor these shows if it doesn't help their bottom line?

That's why I said we are gonna try out the fan shows. Exxotica in Portland, Oregon is our next stop in June.

At least we will have a good time, shoot a lot of content, and market our brand to the consumers.

Paul you were saying the same exact shit when I joined GFY ten years ago. THE SAME EXACT SHIT!

And yet here I am, now with over 100 paysites in my various Networks and I make more money every single year. Amazing (to you), isn't it?

If I had listened to Paul Markham back in 2008-2009 I would have never made millions (YES millions) in earnings and revenue over these past ten years. So thanks for that great advice Paul!

(The only good thing about your predictions Paul is that despite your health challenges you are still around to make them. Other than that, total bollocks.)

:pimp

He doesn't believe you.

He doesn't believe me.

We haven't been able to change his mind in 10 years :1orglaugh

I remember when Paul was very classist. If you didn't know someone that Paul knew you were nobody to Paul. He wasn't a dick about it it's just the way he was. Now everybody is nobody to Paul and nobody has successful pay sites, what if they do when they're not making tens of millions a year then they don't matter :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The end of an era.

But this has always been the best part of our industry.... We are ALL competitors, but yet we work together. Your local plumber doesn't send business to other plumbers, but in our industry a program would send traffic and it's customers to other programs... and make MORE money.

We all share trips and help each other.

Yes but that's probably due to Paul being British (a notoriously class-obsessed society).

I just like pointing this out to Paul since he obviously has no common sense. For anyone to still BE in business (this crazy business especially) for more than a decade should prove a person's success and sustainability. But not to Paul!

As you say, he doesn't believe me.
He doesn't believe anyone but himself and that's really the issue.
(Glad his health is doing better tho!)

Because Robbie knows everything about everything, and doesn't see a need to change or evolve. There is no reason for him to attend a show because.... He knows everything.

I had the same attitude once too. I'll never forget the moment it hit me like a rock. I worked for Dating Factory at the time, and my new boss wanted to go to a dating seminar. I thought to myself "What the fuck for?" because I thought I knew everything. During the question and answer session I noticed everyone in the room was asking questions from the affiliate perspective... Because nearly everyone in the room was an affiliate. Forty-five minutes sitting through a seminar and a half hour of meeting people who attended the seminar paid for my trip multiple times over. I've been in the industry for over twenty years and thought I knew everything, yet here was a huge pool of affiliates that I was overlooking.

No one in the industry should have the attitude that they "know it all".

The end of an era.
But a really good run.

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Well this sums it up pretty well I think. :thumbsup

Except you never earned that "attitude" Rochard.

And I have been a person who has always changed and evolved.

But you are such a moron that you don't understand that talking to people who have NO business for me doesn't include "changing" and "evolving".
I already have billing. I already have hosting.

I already monetize what I do in every conceivable way. And just who the fuck do YOU think is going to tell ME how to do things???
Jesus you are fucking dense.

Is someone there going to teach me how to use my camera? How to set up my lights? My storylines?
I'm fucking successful with all of that already.

And again: THERE WERE NO PORN PEOPLE THERE ROCHARD.

Just billers, hosting, and webcam people. I got all that covered already.

It's not a point of being a "Know it all". It's a point of being really good at what I do and there being nobody there to make money with for being an actual pornographer.

Your company tries to sell people on emailing. How did that go? Did you do a lot of new business and make money? If so...with WHO???
Who among hosting companies and billing companies and webcam girls needed YNOT's email service?

Anybody new?

Well...for me, there is NOBODY left at the shows to make money with. No porn companies were there. No porn models were there (just cam girls) to shoot content with.

As for you...just make sure to continue to stay away from me. I have nothing to ever say to you.

You film your wife getting fucked and put it on the internet for money. I've seen escort ads for your wife! If your wife left you you'd be fucked! Some evolution there!

That's STILL your business model after all these years.

Guess what.... Your wife is not getting any younger. Your business model needs to change, and it won't, because in all these years you still haven't evolved. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rochard has EVOLVED he has a successful brick and mortar business, in addition to porn work, unlike you. I'm not hating on you I'm just being honest with you okay? None of us are getting any younger. Dealing with reality now will help you in the long-term.

That sounded a tad puritanical . . .

You are judgemental :P

Escorting and having your wife work in porn is not the issue.

The issue is she is getting older, she's in her 50s now. She can't be very profitable as content in the adult industry much longer. That was my point.

This is nothing against Robbie or his wife at all.

This is about us all getting older and having to adapt to a changing industry, our age when we're part of the content, technology, etc.

That's because he isn't a pornographer. He has no idea what I've done in my career in the adult industry either.

Hell, people who know me know that I have done very well with Claudia Marie's site. But I made even MORE money in adult during the 11 years prior to opening her site in 2007.

How the fuck these discussions turn into attacks on individuals never ceases to amaze me.

I pointed out the fact that the shows no longer have pornographers. Hell, there weren't any porn company's that produce porn even in attendance at the TPF this year.
Again, not CC Bill's fault.

It's just the state of the industry. The show had no purpose for me. Especially when I compare the amazing business that I used to do there back in the 2000's when the place was jumping with affiliates, paysite owners, and talent to shoot.

I'm sure that maybe there was some biz there for billing and hosting and webcams. But nothing for me.

Somehow...that gets Rochard telling ME that I don't know what I'm talking about.
No idea why.
But his statement about me being a "know it all" and needing to "evolve" and "change" was just pure ignorance.

Why are you lying?

I've been filming content for 20 years for my own websites, which I run myself, and have run for 20 years.

I've had my sites with CCBill since 2005 & I currently have multiple merchant accounts.

Why are you lying about me? When it's so easy to prove you wrong?

I told the truth about you to help you.

You lie about me to try and hurt me (fail)

What does that say about you?

You make the first attack on an individual in this thread and then you complain about threads turning into attacks on individuals.

You ok?

they will be back

Indeed.

I met quite a few people, gosh, 15 years ago? that I still do business with today.

never went... never planned on going. skype, text, email and icq(stopped working have 2 fix) work fine

Robbie nailed it.

Japanese Yen?

And I am one of them that met you back in 04.. and now I host with you. :thumbsup

And I stand behind what Rochard said about helping fellow webmasters. I remember hanging out with a guy from metart that gave me solid advice about billing practices that helped me greatly.

Looks like we got explanation why bladewire is "bladewire" :1orglaugh

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. Not a small operator picking up the dumped sites and making peanuts, yes peanuts whatever you say.

Sending traffic isn't sharing tips of how to do business. Did I ever teach other content producers how or what to shoot and where to sell? No because giving out those sort of tips only helps them compete with me.

Offering people who have given up on their sites a way of making a little bit of money isn't rocket science. The proof in your success would be you paying a good price for sites having new content shot and lots of affiliates singing your praise. Not you saying you make millions.

Dating isn't really porn. It's a mainstream way of couples meeting. You singing it's praise only confirms the fact the porn industry has declined. The fact that affiliates are turning to porn is more proof the porn industry is in decline.

The porn industry, that's producing and selling porn, was dealt a terrible blow when BW dropped to a price so low giving porn away to sell ad space was made profitable. Ever since then is has continued to shrink.

Bit players telling us how many millions they make isn't going to change the fact. The demise of the boards, shows, affiliate programs not paying, content producers, designers and every other aspect that made a living off producing porn proves me right.

The only way porn can be revived is the cost of BW going back to 2005 levels, then over night you will see sites popping up.

That's realistic as expecting people to start buying magazines again :1orglaugh

I understand that, but without BW going back to a level where giving porn away for free isn't profitable. The porn industry will continue to decline.

Web Camming has taken over as the #1 sector of the porn industry. 100s of sites, 10,000s of girls, but does it have 10,000s of affiliates earning their living from promoting Cam Girls?

Where are the Cam Sites promoting themselves, where are the cam girls, where are the affiliates? The industry has changed a lot in the last ten years, the need to network with fellow professionals in person is disappearing. It's easier and cheaper to contact each other online. It's easier and cheaper to buy traffic if what you have is good enough and if it isn't no one will buy no matter how friendly they are at a show.

Also the large companies are taking over and don't need the independents as much as they used to. Dating is going that way and I predict in the next 5 years most Dating Sites will decline, the days of Tindr and Grinder are here. And the need to fill out a long complicated form are over. No one knows anyone profiles when they walk up to them in a bar, today Social Media tells you all you need to know.

Adapt of Die.

There is facebook offering dating as well.

Haha Paul you continue to assume no one makes any money in this business. Or those that do we are making "peanuts". Paul, a couple facts here:

1. YOU never made a high six figure income in your entire life as a pornographer. EVER.
2. You never generated millions of dollars in revenue ONLINE. Ever.
3. The "peanuts" I make that you disparage would allow you to live like a King in the Czech Republic dude.
4. If you were such a Baller "back in the day" then you would not have retired to a 3rd world country and live off the dole (and the generosity of your Czech wife).
5. You cannot do basic math (obviously) since you cannot divide "millions" by 10 years in this Industry.

What do you get out of constantly crying that Adult is dead? Does it make you feel better about you life choices and how you missed the boat during the "Golden Age" of online porn? Sad really.

GET OFF MY LAWN YOU CRAZY PORNOGRAPHERS!!! LOL

Paul gonna keep waiting around for bandwidth prices to drop so the magic join links on his cookie cutter sites will work again.

Meanwhile, them girls he was touching all weirdly are probably on the tubes and social media doing numbers on their own with no useless middle-men (big pun)... with no weird dudes touching them for gfy fame anymore, etc.

Adapt "of" die!

Yeah i think i need to correct your "3rd world country" claim, as CZ is currently country with least unemployed on world, something what even Germans couldn't beat. And cost of living is rising by every year due huge immigrant flow,unless you live in village like Paul do :1orglaugh

I said your sites make peanuts, I'm sure there are other sites making money. The reasons I gave are there to see, I will repeat them.

You're not buying up sites. You're not commissioning good new content, no affiliates are here singing your praises, you pick up old for revenue share deals or pennies on the dollar prices.

$200,000 a year would be a good living in the porn industry today. I still don't think you make that much. 10 x $200,000 = $2,000,000 which will just put you into the "millions" category.

I have never said porn is dead. It's still very much alive and today there are 100,000s of millions consuming it for free on sites like these.

https://www.xvideos.com/channels/porn-nerd-asia

https://www.fux.com/channels/porn-nerd-asia

And numerous other Tubes where your content is free.

You took this as a personal dig at you, it was a comment on the industry as a whole. You cannot even claim to know the know the state of the industry before free porn became an option, I do.

Yes, more evidence that Dating is a mainstream industry.

Does Mojohost rely on the porn industry for the significant part of it's income?

Here we go...

So now you move the bar for those of us left in the industry that you say is impossible to survive :1orglaugh

"Bit players" today are those making millions, something you yourself never did.