Originally Posted by kane (Post 22476647)

I have said before and will say it again, if we got rid of birthright citizenship that would stop illegals from coming here, having kids, then getting welfare. If we also went hard after those who hire illegals they will stop hiring them. If people know they can't get jobs or welfare, they will stop coming here.

Of course, the prices of some things will go up because they are going to have to pay more for Americans to do those jobs, but a wall will only stop a few people. Cutting off their ability to support themselves will stop many.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22476655)

You still don't get it.

They will go over it. They will go under it. They will blast a hole right through it. Or... they will just go through a border check point.

We can spend $5 billion dollars on this and it won't stop the problem of illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22476665)

Nothing will stop it. Does that mean you don't try to slow it down?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22476481)

The Wall will only stop those now walking across the border. Any suggestion that it will solve the entire illegal immigration in the US is bullshit.

The cost is something anyone can work out on a scrap of paper. Take all the illegal immigrants in prison, on some sort of welfare or government money, all those in a job, all those who are criminals, gangs and occupying the police, all those who heed housing. Then total it up and come to a figure. Is it $100 Billion or $200 billion per year. Even if you take the figures of the liberals illegal immigration which are very wrong missing out on so many negatives they pitch it at $54 billion per year.

Here's some numbers. DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens. and U.S. Spend $80 Billion a Year on Incarceration? By deterring 5% a year The Wall pays for itself in a year.

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion. Getting 1% of Americans into jobs currently done by illegal immigrants The Wall pays for itself in a year.

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#16e9ea8212c4[/URL]. Total Health care costs for illegal immigrants.

The real problem is this is a policy arrived at by someone who looks at the real bottom line not uses fuzzy numbers to prove their point. But even the most fuzzy of those numbers say illegal immigration costs $54 billion per year. The wall is a one off $5 billion. A wall is harder to climb than a fence and the percentage it needs to stop is nothing compared with what illegal immigration costs.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22477057)

Not even attempting to justify not spending $5 billion.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22477127)

Let's just start shooting them, no need for a wall then

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22476665)

Nothing will stop it. Does that mean you don't try to slow it down?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22477143)

Your math and your logic, are as broken as your join pages...

You said it yourself, it doesn't solve the issue or even slow it down. Most of the immigrants that come in and stay illegally come by regular commercial flight.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22477143)

Your math and your logic, are as broken as your join pages...

You said it yourself, it doesn't solve the issue or even slow it down. Most of the immigrants that come in and stay illegally come by regular commercial flight.

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22477145)

why waste my time on something I have done on here before several times with someone who ignores what I say anyways? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22477154)

The end result is the same. It's going to take them half an hour longer but they will still get here. What's the point of spending billions and billions of tax dollars only to change nothing?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22476617)

Of course I meant the entire project and later on in the post I quoted the $5 billion.

Now make a case where The Wall can't save more than it cost. A one off $5 billion against the cost of welfare, policing, prisons, health care, etc. Don't say more guards unless you've found people to do the job or plan to pay them enough so they have sufficient numbers.

And don't say more restrictions on hiring ICE officers until a Democrat Government enforces the laws you have. Instead of liberal campaigners trying to shut ICE down.

Illegal immigration is bigger problem in Europe with our liberal politicians doing nothing and there's the problem. Until people vote out these clowns no one will do anything about it.

Originally Posted by imabro (Post 22476642)

Hey dumbfuck, the word is fucking border. Ignorant fucking white trash Floridian.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22476647)

I have said before and will say it again, if we got rid of birthright citizenship that would stop illegals from coming here, having kids, then getting welfare. If we also went hard after those who hire illegals they will stop hiring them. If people know they can't get jobs or welfare, they will stop coming here.

Of course, the prices of some things will go up because they are going to have to pay more for Americans to do those jobs, but a wall will only stop a few people. Cutting off their ability to support themselves will stop many.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22476647)

I have said before and will say it again, if we got rid of birthright citizenship that would stop illegals from coming here, having kids, then getting welfare. If we also went hard after those who hire illegals they will stop hiring them. If people know they can't get jobs or welfare, they will stop coming here.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22477637)

That would solve most of it but we know who would be against that, right?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22477672)

Both parties would be against it. Democrats likely wouldn't want to do away with birthright citizenship and Republicans are making a lot of money on the backs of illegals so they wouldn't want it either.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22477626)

A one off 5 billion? Are you this delusional? 1st off 5 billion isn't even close enough to do a complete wall. Its closer to 20-30 billion.

Next is 100s of millions to keep the walls maintained..

Next. 90% of illegals come in legally and overstay their visas

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22477672)

Both parties would be against it. Democrats likely wouldn't want to do away with birthright citizenship and Republicans are making a lot of money on the backs of illegals so they wouldn't want it either.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22478012)

Why did Obama get praised for building fences along the border and Trump gets vilified for trying to build a wall where people are walking across?

Either both are wrong or both are right. They both cost similar to build and maintain, both require extra measures, neither will stop over stayers, one is easier to climb that the other, both can be tunnelled under, etc.

Yet one is right and the other wrong. And I can't explain why, can someone else? Please.