Originally Posted by adultinnovation (Post 22491489)

Stay single if you want to be happy. A female will always ruin your life eventually.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22491476)

Russian, Ukrainian, Estonian, Latvian, Belorussian, Czech, Slovakian, Slovenian etc.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22491499)

???? WHAT ABOUT POLISH ONES:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22491497)

But who will wash your cloth then ?

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 22491497)

But who will wash your cloth then ? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by MatureKing (Post 22491524)

Thailand is our Sweet shit hole but in a good way

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22491434)

I heard a story once. The gist of it was: way back in the Middle Ages or some shit, there was this famous conqueror of history, perhaps Alexander the Great.

He'd conquer countries all over Europe and the Middle East. And bring back the most beautiful women to Russia with him, as his property. Kind of like slaves. They didn't go willingly.

These women were used mostly as currency, and had high value. Needless to say, after all was said and done, these women were bred quite heartily.

To this day, that area (Ukraine, western Russia) has a gene pool of extraordinarily beautiful women.

I believe I saw an old mainstream movie about this once, if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea what it was called. But a scene that stood out to me was this rich guy who was relaxing in this fancy chair. He explained matter-of-factly how things are going to be, to this beautiful young woman standing in front of him. She was angry and hostile.

"Look. I own you now. You're my wife. We are going to have sex. Now, its either going to happen with you kicking and screaming and fighting me. And you'll be hurt in the process. Or you can accept your fate, and make love to me willingly and with dignity, as a wife to her husband."

She thought about it silently for a minute. Then let her clothes fall to the floor.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22491525)

And your way is a backdoor, right Jason? :) How many trannies were opening it? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22490986)

Well, I would say it is up for debate. It is not all that black and white of course..and eastern europe is a pretty big area...czech girls have been very modest..I agree here..but if we talk about Ukraine..you can find some real golddiggers..and we are not just talking dinners and clothes...they want trips to cannes, maldives...that you have a Bentley..etc etc..

But in general I find a segment of girls in these countries I miss here to some extent also..more traditional girls.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22490991)

I agree with Paul. Most are not that interested in money. It's a benefit of course, and there are all sorts of gold diggers and scandalous sluts looking for "arrangements" but most aren't into it.

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22491008)

I saw this video a while back. It gives good insight about women from this region. I don't necessarily agree with the "never marry" part. I prefer Eastern Euro women. As mentioned above, some women from this region are very happy to be a housewife and that's all they want out of life.



https://youtu.be/cpD4cHl3qAE

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22491613)

Foreigners tend to only meet the gold diggers, ones attracted to the cities in the hope of making money.

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22490497)

There were rumours Melania worked as a prostitute before....would not surprise me..1 out of 2 girls from eastern europe..at least 20 years ago..it was their only way...

Originally Posted by Lexi BongaCash (Post 22492159)

First thing I can say - they are really beautiful and care so much about how they look. And they can cook well - it is like something in their genes haha. So yes, good choice

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22491772)

I don't hold that against a woman at all. we all trying to get by best we can :2 cents:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22491657)

Indeed. The tourists looking for girls in bars, restaurants, night clubs etc. They won't find there anybody but hunters. The girs that look for your money. Course there are good girls too, but a foreigner won't be able to find them, he will always get tricked and used.

In fact most of Russian/Ukrainian/Belorussian girls are good and definitely can't be called cold. However, you must be a local one and you have to know where and whom to look for. Even a prostitute here will make you a tea with home-made cookies, will listen to all your problems etc. But only if you are a local one. Many of them even put a restriction into their ads: "for Slavic people only". Sounds a bit nationalistic? Yes it is.

As far as I mentioned nationalism, I have to add that the only foreign guys they always happy to see are blacks. I mean the Africans (the people with African roots, e.g. African-Americans). Don't know why :) I have mentioned Africans because the word "blacks" in Russia mostly means the people of Caucasus. While Africans are called "negs" (not niggaz, like in the USA which is an offensive word). Negr in Russian means a person of Negroid race. So if you are black man and you hear this word in Russia, it's not an offense it just mean that you are a person with Negroid roots.

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492214)

foreigners have more money..

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492214)

foreigners have more money..

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22492237)

Foreigners from which exactly country and more than who?

The Ukraine is a real poor country, but there is a lot of rich people. As about Russia, so it's #2 in the world by the number of dollar billionaires. Poor people don't go to restaurants and clubs where a price of bottle of of champagne is up to 55,000 RUB (~ $860 USD). For example, a personal membership in "Soho Rooms" night club (Moscow) is €2000 a month. So it's a bit naive to thing you will be a richest guy in such places... Before the financial crisis of 2014 when US dollar was 2x times cheaper to rubble than now, one guy who I know has paid 120,000 RUB (about $4000 USD) for a night with a whore form one of these clubs. Yes, when we are talking about pubs, so the price for an alcohol is about twice cheaper in Moscow than say in London, but it's still pricey, so poor people don't hang out in pubs. That's a fatal mistake for the foreigners that think they will be kings with their money here...
That's just FYI.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22492237)

Foreigners from which exactly country and more than who?

The Ukraine is a real poor country, but there is a lot of rich people. As about Russia, so it's #2 in the world by the number of dollar billionaires. Poor people don't go to restaurants and clubs where a price of champagne is 18,000 ... 55,000 RUB (~ $280 USD ... $860 USD) per a bottle. For example, a personal membership in "Soho Rooms" night club (Moscow) is €2000 a month. So it's a bit naive to thing you will be a richest guy in such places... Before the financial crisis of 2014 when US dollar was 2x times cheaper to rubble than now, one guy who I know has paid 120,000 RUB (about $4000 USD) for a night with a whore form one of these clubs. Yes, when we are talking about pubs, so the price for an alcohol is about twice cheaper in Moscow than say in London, but it's still pricey, so poor people don't hang out in pubs. That's a fatal mistake for the foreigners that think they will be kings with their money here...
That's just FYI.

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492242)

there is no middleclass in Ukraine..same in Russia....10% are superrich....

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492242)

Of course. You do not need to tell me:)) there is no middleclass in Ukraine..same in Russia....10% are superrich....so yes...there are many rich people in Ukraine...if we talk about actual figures...I am talking about the other 90%..that makes about 10.000 UAH per month...around 300 dollars...

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22492246)

Who do you think am I then? I don't visit night clubs because I feel too old for that shit (don't like laugh dancing music and don't consider those places funny), but I like to hang out in pubs and visit casinos from time to time. Which class I do represent here?



You won't a single one of them in those places. So you definitely won't be the richest guy among the visitors of night clubs.

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492250)

I have been in Ukraine 5+ times per year since 2011

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492250)

Do you want to have a constructive discussion or just want to stir up shit?

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22492256)

I've never been to the Ukraine and I know it's a very poor country (the poorest one in Europe), but you have mentioned Russia.



Yes, I want. You said there is no middle class in Russia, so I want you to explain it on my example. I'm a programmer. If think that programmer is a rare profession in Russia, so you are wrong (I's say that Russia is a country of coders). But ok, let's take someone much more usual than an IT specialist.

My brother in law is an office clerk. His wife is an office clerk too. They are absolutely regular people and they have no super-duper salaries according to the Moscow level. So they have their own apartments here, a good car (Nissan Murano), an own dacha, which is yet another suburban house with a land (yes they have a city apartments and a house outside the city). They go to vacations about two times a year (for about 10-12 days at once) to visit Cyprus, Greece, Mexico, Dominica, Thailand, Cuba and other resort countries, because they like to travel. Please tell me which exactly class these two Moscow clerks are belong too according to your criteria?

Please don't stir up shit. Just give me your answer to the straight question above.

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 22492263)

I thought we were talking about Ukraine and not Russia. It is not so black and white by the way.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22492269)

I thought we were talking about both and I thought you said this:





Moscow population is over 15 million people + Moscow Oblast. So the whole Moscow region is about 25 millions of citizens which is about 18% of whole Russian population. Also don't forget about other big cities like Saint Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Kazan, Sochi, Ufa, Novosibirsk etc.



There are no villages in Russia. They are dead long time ago. Literately and unfortunately - Putin has finally killed them. The overage village in Russia looks like a few houses where local grandpas, grandmas and alcoholics live their last days. If you look at the space map of Russia at night, you will see that almost all the population lives in the cities. Mostly in the big ones (1+ million citizens).