Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 22492984)

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22492696)

We already did this. In 2006 we spent $2.3 billion dollars on fencing, protecting 700 miles of fencing. It's like pouring money down a bottomless pit. The vast majority of people entering the country illegally are doing so through the ports of entry. If not... they go over, under, around, or through fencing and walls.

It's not that I am "anti-American"... I just see no reason to spend billions of dollars when it will accomplish nothing. We already spent billions of dollars, and now we have to spend billions more to house the people that came over, under, around, or through the 700 miles plus of border fencing we put up.

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22492701)

I love you brother, but allowing that many people in illegally isn’t good for anyone. If you really think all these people with skills equal or equivalent to starting a hedge trimmer is going to help this nation, you are mistaken. Diversity isn’t our strength. We should allow the best of the best in. Sort of like college, minus the affirmative action bs.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22492734)

I am not saying we need to be allowing people in. I am saying that pouring more billions into a solution that isn't working isn't a proper solution. A lot of people seem to think "If we build a wall that will stop them" and that obviously isn't the case. We've spent billions building walls and it hasn't stopped them. They are walking up to border entry points and saying "I am seeking asylum" and we legally obligated to accept them.

We didn't have these problems under Obama. People weren't coming to the United States in droves under Obama, and when we caught them here illegally we either gave them options to become American citizens or deported them. Under Obama we deported more people than ever before. The problem isn't that we don't have walls; The problem is how the Trump administration has handled everything. Long before we build a wall we need a comprehensive and legal plan on how to manage this. Building "internment camps" is not a short or long term solution.

I completely disagree with you when you say "Diversity isn’t our strength". Diversity is what makes America what it is. For better or for worse, we are in fact a nation of immigrants. We always have been, and always will be. I am Polish and Irish; Both of my parents came here as immigrants. Diversity is our strength.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22492979)

When did you turn into such a piece of shit ?

When did learning the language being a priority to a person make them a racist you ignorant piece of shit. you fucking liberals don't want to debate, you just want to call people names then get butt hurt when you are proven wrong and deny it. I wasn't talking about your inbred relatives,I was talking about the fact and I mean fact that if you can't communicate, then diversity isn't there. You have gone total fucking loon!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22492980)

Not when people refuse to melt, then it's just a pile of something in a pot

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22492751)

you tell them david duke! without it there will be 90% blonde and blue eyes. just like harvard and yale. forget about if you qualify. they look at your skin and grab the rejected stamp :321GFY:321GFY here you guys ride off topic

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22493203)

Let me explain this you Vendildo because smart people understood this since the 1700s...


We aren't after the 1st generation of immigrants. They are nessicary to get to the 2nd and 3rd generations.. Call it a "investment". The govt and everyone has known this for years, all except you right wingers..

The 1st generation of any immigrants unless they are very young will never really 100% fit in. That's very standard across all groups no mater what country they are from.. It's also very common for thev1st generation to not learn English, doesn't matter where they are from or what race, it's very common. What we are after is the kids they will learn, they will fit in.

Yes some older adults do fit in, but it's not always the case, specially if its a very diffrent or strict cultrue.

The kids want to fit in.. they want to make friends and when those kids aka the 2nd generation grow up they are 100% Americanized as so are their kids..

You are very short sighted and do not understand the long game. This is a common trait with consertive people you only see what makes you angry today, not what the benifit will be in the future...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22492994)

So lets get it right. You are glad that no more money is being spent on strengthening the border. You are against Obama erected fences along the border. Do you want more more money spent on detecting and detaining Visa over stayers or not?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22493273)

That is completely incorrect. I am getting very, very tired of repeating myself.

I am on record, here on GFY, as being for the wall. I would like it to from the Pacific coast in California to the Gulf Of Mexico in Texas. I would like it to be concrete, thirty feet tall, and manned every one hundred yards with snipers. I would like it backed up with Apache and Corbra helicopters.

But this will never happen. The world would never forgive us if we start shooting women and children on our border.

Again, if tRump came to us and said "We have identified twenty-four locations where there is high illeal immigration traffic and we need $2billion to build walls and other security measures, plus we will use 20% of this money to hire more border patrol agents" we would be all for it. But instead all we get is "I want to build a wall". JFC, tRUmp is the President of the United States - show us a plan we can approve instead of "I want money to do whatever I want".

Also... tRump told us hiring more Border Patrol agents would be a priority. In fact, he even signed an order to this effect. He gave a $297 million contract to a company called Accenture.... Who hired a grand total of 118 officers.

We obviously can't trust him at all, no less trust him with our money.

Your link also just proved you wrong. You are complaining about how no one wants to build a fence, yet showing us a link about how illegal immigrants come here by overstaying their visa or coming in through entry points.

By the way Paul......

You are a recent immigrant.

You are British, yet do not live in the UK. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22493203)

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The 1st generation of any immigrants unless they are very young will never really 100% fit in. That's very standard across all groups no mater what country they are from.. It's also very common for thev1st generation to not learn English, doesn't matter where they are from or what race, it's very common. What we are after is the kids they will learn, they will fit in.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22493203)

Let me explain this you Vendildo because smart people understood this since the 1700s...


We aren't after the 1st generation of immigrants. They are nessicary to get to the 2nd and 3rd generations.. Call it a "investment". The govt and everyone has known this for years, all except you right wingers..

The 1st generation of any immigrants unless they are very young will never really 100% fit in. That's very standard across all groups no mater what country they are from.. It's also very common for thev1st generation to not learn English, doesn't matter where they are from or what race, it's very common. What we are after is the kids they will learn, they will fit in.

Yes some older adults do fit in, but it's not always the case, specially if its a very diffrent or strict cultrue.

The kids want to fit in.. they want to make friends and when those kids aka the 2nd generation grow up they are 100% Americanized as so are their kids..

You are very short sighted and do not understand the long game. This is a common trait with consertive people you only see what makes you angry today, not what the benifit will be in the future...

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22493250)

hahaha dude are you being serious? You're actually comparing Europeans immigrants that created and built this country to Mexican and Central Americans?

You just don't get it. I know you dumb libs are so used to the mantra being repeated over and over by your Democratic overlords, but diversity does not work.

Our ancestors that built this country were homogeneously white. It would have never worked if we were a big melting pot of races. Nothing would have gotten done.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22493273)

That is completely incorrect. I am getting very, very tired of repeating myself.

I am on record, here on GFY, as being for the wall. I would like it to from the Pacific coast in California to the Gulf Of Mexico in Texas. I would like it to be concrete, thirty feet tall, and manned every one hundred yards with snipers. I would like it backed up with Apache and Corbra helicopters.

But this will never happen. The world would never forgive us if we start shooting women and children on our border.

Again, if tRump came to us and said "We have identified twenty-four locations where there is high illeal immigration traffic and we need $2billion to build walls and other security measures, plus we will use 20% of this money to hire more border patrol agents" we would be all for it. But instead all we get is "I want to build a wall". JFC, tRUmp is the President of the United States - show us a plan we can approve instead of "I want money to do whatever I want".

Also... tRump told us hiring more Border Patrol agents would be a priority. In fact, he even signed an order to this effect. He gave a $297 million contract to a company called Accenture.... Who hired a grand total of 118 officers.

We obviously can't trust him at all, no less trust him with our money.

Your link also just proved you wrong. You are complaining about how no one wants to build a fence, yet showing us a link about how illegal immigrants come here by overstaying their visa or coming in through entry points.

By the way Paul......

You are a legal immigrant. Who employed many Czech people, didn't until recently rely on the Health service for which I have contributed my whole life to and paid millions in taxes.

You are British, yet do not live in the UK. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem, but I can't point out why.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22493276)

My grandmother spoke Polish at home. English was a second language. My mother doesn't speak any Polish, nor do I.

My stepfather spoke French, and English was a second language. My mother - who is Polish (see above) - learned how to speak French. This wasn't because she wanted to talk to my step father in his native tongue, but instead because they spent so much time in France and Belgium. I do not speak French (other than two years in high school), and my brother speaks no French at all.

Years ago when I worked for Lighspeed Cash we had an employee who was born in Egypt, but studied in England (he called cigarettes "fags" lol), and he moved to the United States.... He was a Muslim. I helped him study for his test to become a US citizen. For months we went out to lunch every day, five days a week, and I would quiz him on the questions. He invited me to his swearing in and it was amazing. Brand new American citizens, about to be sworn in, told stories about how they came to the United States with nothing more than the clothes on their back. After six years they've gone to college, gotten married, and have opened up their own business....

This is the kind of people who we want to come to the United States.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22493275)

Paul thinks he's gods gift to his foreign land because he once paid some models $20 So he could take their pictures but now leaches off their healthcare system..

He probably can't afford to go back to the UK and would be on govt assistance like all those immigrants he doesn't like.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22493278)

Leave it to a couple of unhinged liberals to not understand a difference between legal immigrant - which everyone supports and criminal migrant which the majority of the population, particularly moderate voters are completely against.