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Sly 07-22-2019 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505756)
A fixed campaign budget vs a for-profit's payroll are 2 totally different things. Comparing them doesn't make any type of sense.

Why not?

Where does the extra for-profit payroll money come from? It doesn't magically appear from nowhere.

There needs to be cuts somewhere in order to make up for the difference. Where do you think the cuts will be?

A few options would be:
dividends
C level payroll
number of employees
number of hours
quality of service
quality of product

Which of those do you think will take the hit first? It's not dividends and C level payroll.

Bladewire 07-22-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22505748)
Well if Bernie CAN'T, how does he expect everyone else to????

You are retard level 5 comparing a presidential campaign with volunteers, anonymous donors, etc. with a for profit business. Get out of that shithole Boston your mind will be in a better place, though you will likely still remain stupid.

TheSquealer 07-22-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505743)
Watching an anonymous troll with multiple nicks call out another guy with multiple nicks:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...73/942/c29.jpg

Sly knows me quite well, personally. Well enough that I used to have a key to his home. He's posting here. OneHungLo knows me. We all, having been around for a very long time and being actual old school webmasters know a lot of the people here and have a lot of mutual friends and have made more money in this biz than you'll make if you lived a dozen lifetimes.

But... what about you? Who knows you? Who have you worked with? Who have you made money for? Strange how those who love to scream "Fake nic" seem to have no one vouching for them.. except other similarly delusional clowns.

The fact is that it is almost exclusively the idiots like you screaming "fake nic" and "multiple fake nics" that usually know no one... and everytime you say that dumb shit, you announce that very fact. Often times, you tards are calling people "fake nics" who are quite well established in the biz and quite well known and who have been around since the beginning.

kane 07-22-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22505732)
you're slowly slipping into crockett mental territory over the last couple years with your completely imagined notion of everyone else's "hate" and your increasingly vitriolic rhetoric... all while completely dismissing all of the nonstop hate and bile of the left.

:2 cents:

The left has plenty of hate. Non-stop crazy hate. The right does too, it's not as bad because they are the ones in power but the attack non-stop. If you can't see that there is hate from both sides you are allowing yourself to be fooled.

TheSquealer 07-22-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22505764)
The left has plenty of hate. Non-stop crazy hate. The right does too, it's not as bad because they are the ones in power but the attack non-stop. If you can't see that there is hate from both sides you are allowing yourself to be fooled.

"They attack non stop"?

Really?

The Left doesn't "attack non stop"?

One side attacks with facts and arguments and the other side attacks by calling everyone racist and Nazi and white supremacist and other extreme rhetoric. That's not at all the same.

Look at the actual hate, ... direct hate from the Left on this board. Not "i interpret what you said to be hateful" but actual "people like you deserve to die" type comments.

If I put a gun to your head and told you to find me 10 people from the Left that were happy for a strong economy, strong jobs numbers, negotiating with north korea, strong stock performance etc,... you couldn't do it.

That's not "the Right" hating.

The bulk of your idea of "hate" is imagined. It's the liberal narrative that CNN, MSNBC and others have been pounding into your head 24/7 since 2016.

And of course you punctuate your remark with the usual suggestion "if you don't view the world exactly like i do...then you're being brainwashed" because you and the Left can no longer tolerate diversity of opinions and well reasoned debate if it goes against the Liberal narrative of the day.

IF you guys had legit arguments that were so self evidently correct as you so often believe... then you could lay out points which couldn't easily be refuted without saying "white supremacist", "racist", "hate" and "nazi"

baddog 07-22-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505756)
A fixed campaign budget vs a for-profit's payroll are 2 totally different things. Comparing them doesn't make any type of sense.

Oh man; obviously never been a business owner.

NoWhErE 07-22-2019 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22505760)
Sly knows me quite well, personally. Well enough that I used to have a key to his home. He's posting here. OneHungLo knows me. We all, having been around for a very long time and being actual old school webmasters know a lot of the people here and have a lot of mutual friends and have made more money in this biz than you'll make if you lived a dozen lifetimes.

But... what about you? Who knows you? Who have you worked with? Who have you made money for? Strange how those who love to scream "Fake nic" seem to have no one vouching for them.. except other similarly delusional clowns.

The fact is that it is almost exclusively the idiots like you screaming "fake nic" and "multiple fake nics" that usually know no one... and everytime you say that dumb shit, you announce that very fact. Often times, you tards are calling people "fake nics" who are quite well established in the biz and quite well known and who have been around since the beginning.

All you need is a quick look at my post sy history to know who i am. Im not hiding anything,i just dont talk about it unless asked. I have worked with and built very successful programs and have won multiple gfy awards.

Even Baddog has taken pictures of me countless times over the years. Ive also done business with plenty of active posters here.

Go to any tube and you’ll see my work in the ads or in the content.

You... still no clue who or what you do except troll. Ive never seen you do actual business advice or contribute to a business thread.

Other than Sly, the only other person that can vouch for you is that clown of a person Hunglo? Yeah i call bullshit on tou still being in this industry

Bladewire 07-22-2019 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505785)
Other than Sly, the only other person that can vouch for you is that clown of a person Hunglo? Yeah i call bullshit on everything you say.

Half of GFY has him blocked because of his manic cut paste alt-right shit posts. He's a fake nic. You're smart not to believe his bullshit. If Sly comes in to vouche for him as being his close friend then that tells you a lot about Sly :2 cents:

TheSquealer 07-22-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22505787)
Half of GFY has him blocked because of his manic cut paste alt-right shit posts. He's a fake nic. You're smart not to believe his bullshit. If Sly comes in to vouche for him as being his close friend then that tells you a lot about Sly :2 cents:

And you're what? That guy who posted a profile of a gay chaturbate model to prove you are in the biz.

Uh huh...............

The forum lunatic who has tanked this forum single handedly and can't post without lying wants to question the integrity of others. Makes sense.

Bladewire 07-22-2019 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22505770)
Oh man; obviously never been a business owner.

A few months ago you bragged about getting your pension. Your boss must have been proud. So many years you slaved for someone else. Riding your bike around to drink beer was your failed hobby, not a business. You are in no way one to speak on behalf of business owners.

NoWhErE 07-22-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22505789)
And you're what? That guy who posted a profile of a gay chaturbate model to prove you are in the biz.

Uh huh...............

The forum lunatic who has tanked this forum single handedly and can't post without lying wants to question the integrity of others. Makes sense.

Although i dont always agree with Bladewire’s posting style, he at leasts contributes some useful knowledge in various business threads and has obvious current business knowledge.

You... Havent seen that from you at all.

Bladewire 07-22-2019 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 22505789)
And you're what? That guy who posted a profile of a gay chaturbate model to prove you are in the biz.

Uh huh...............

The forum lunatic who has tanked this forum single handedly and can't post without lying wants to question the integrity of others. Makes sense.

Aaaaaw pretending you don't know my business. Another sign you're full of shit you time wasting lunatic.

I only took you off block to reply to that one message. You're back on block now time-waster. No need to reply to me pretending that we're having a conversation :2 cents:

NoWhErE 07-22-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 22505757)
Why not?

Where does the extra for-profit payroll money come from? It doesn't magically appear from nowhere.

There needs to be cuts somewhere in order to make up for the difference. Where do you think the cuts will be?

A few options would be:
dividends
C level payroll
number of employees
number of hours
quality of service
quality of product

Which of those do you think will take the hit first? It's not dividends and C level payroll.

What do you want me to answer here? Neither you nor I have advanced PHDs in economy and I'm not intimately familiar with the entire $15 minimum wage plan is. I assume you aren't either. So I can't give you an honest educated answer to your questions.

However, in broad strokes: Comparing a for-profit vs a campaign budget, the big difference between the two is that the for-profit company has margins and variable earning potentials they can play with to cover the differences and still be profitable. Campaign budgets are mostly fixed. There isn't much more wiggle room unless you inject more cash into the campaign. That's the gist of it.

Yes yes, I know, some business' models will be severely impacted by the $15 minimum wage. Some will even close down because of it. Others will adapt and thrive. On the other hand, you're giving a big portion of the population more spending power, which in turn, should stimulate the economy.

However, the point of my replies isn't to argue for the legitimacy of the $15 minimum wage plan. That's a whole different debate and is WAY out of scope to be discussed in this forum.

My intention was to show that the article shared by Hunglo is dog shit and is crafted only to appeal to people who already have a disposition to disagree with Bernie's proposal of the $15 minimum wage.

Why is it dog shit? Because if you do just a bit of simple math, you'll notice that the reporter is trying to warp something that is basically a contract renegotiation to adjust for the realities of working on the campaign into something much more devious than it really is. Nobody is getting shafted here. People are actually getting paid the same amount for working less hours.

The article is a huge nothing-burger.

OneHungLo 07-22-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505756)
A fixed campaign budget vs a for-profit's payroll are 2 totally different things. Comparing them doesn't make any type of sense.

What's harder to run: a business or a campaign that has millions of dollars thrown at with zero financial risk?

NoWhErE 07-22-2019 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22505821)
What's harder to run: a business or a campaign that has millions of dollars thrown at with zero financial risk?

How is that relevant?

baddog 07-22-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505846)
How is that relevant?

Really? It is kind of like playing in a poker tournament at TPF where there is no buy in vs paying to play.

baddog 07-22-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505785)

Even Baddog has taken pictures of me countless times over the years. Ive also done business with plenty of active posters here.

pics or it didn't happen.

OneHungLo 07-22-2019 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 22505846)
How is that relevant?

It's relevant because if Bernie can't raise his staff budget 40% to meet his $15 dollar min wage, how should you expect actual business owners who aren't "playing" with other peoples money to raise it potentially 106%?

I don't think you've ever run a business that had to meet a payroll ( like Bernie) and don't really understand how this all works, because if you did you'd never advocate for $15 min wage.

Watch this:


NoWhErE 07-22-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22505854)
pics or it didn't happen.

I don't really feel like going through a bunch of galleries right now. But we did get stuck in an elevator together in Amsterdam a few years ago. We were a small group and weighed over the limit. The elevator got stuck between floors for a few minutes until staff came and helped us.

Maybe you remember that and it would be proof enough

Bladewire 07-22-2019 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22505856)
It's relevant because if Bernie can't raise his staff budget 40% to meet his $15 dollar min wage, how should you expect actual business owners who aren't "playing" with other peoples money to raise it potentially 106%?

You're embarrassing yourself :1orglaugh

huey 07-22-2019 06:45 PM

Bernie sure is embracing capitalism when it's his money.

NoWhErE 07-22-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22505856)
It's relevant because if Bernie can't raise his staff budget 40% to meet his $15 dollar min wage, how should you expect actual business owners who aren't "playing" with other peoples money to raise it potentially 106%?

I don't think you've ever run a business that had to meet a payroll ( like Bernie) and don't really understand how this all works, because if you did you'd never advocate for $15 min wage.

Watch this:


Now you're trying to turn this into me advocating for the $15 an hour minimum wage? I'm not. I'm just pointing out that your article is bullshit and showed you why.

I can't tell you why Bernie can't just magically increase his budget by 40% because I'm not running his campaign. So why are you asking me these stupid questions?

I'm not going to waste my time debating with you over the pros and cons of the $15 minimum wage. I'd be an idiot to waste my time with someone who systematically rejects any ideas that are different than his own.

And yes, I've run several business'.

Onto the next thread where you post some half-assed piece of information and you get destroyed again... and again... and again.

OneHungLo 07-22-2019 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22505889)
You're embarrassing yourself :1orglaugh

You'e out of your element, apartment dweller.

King Mark 07-23-2019 04:09 AM

Didnt blade post a pic with his feet up in front of a fireplace?

Fuck kinda apartment got those? Was that even his pic?

I'll never know unless one of his friends quotes him again.


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