I had a few galleries get listed. It was raining money while they were up. The bandwidth used was insane though. Thank God they had those free hosts at the time or the bandwidth would have eaten up my sales.

Getting listed on The Hun and World Sex was like hitting the lottery.

The good o'le days.

It's a brewery indeed... and I should know!

Still looking for a whinery though, something in France maybe...

let´s do one in thailand - the imported stuff is so fucking expensive and promoting and selling is here so unbelievable easy.

Dalat Wine from Vietnam taste good

There’s lots of wines from all over the world that tastes excellent. I personally like South African pinotage a lot! But I’d like to drive down there myself every now and then, hence France :)

The brewery is 7 miles from my house. Very convenient! :)

Which is why programs blocked booked their ad space.

at least you have ONE real talent, paul.

you are not only the one who writes the biggest unqualified bullshit - you are also able to top yourself every day.

it is a real mystery to me how someone with so little knowledge writes in a board where everyone should at least understand the basics of the internet.
i don't even think there are such stupid users as you - but i'm sure that there is no market participant with your knowledge who earns more than 10 dollars a month

I recall 4.5 a day :)

Back to the initial question though (amongst this bickering between my friend Thommy and Paul who I think I dealt with back in the old days to push teen traffic, get a room boys!):

at the hight we had 4,5 million uniques daily, on a single page, all galleries linked to where on other servers. Basically we were just a hub. Slowly that's changing... we are going back to the old days where we were dealing with the content owners directly...

So, although I'm busy with a lot of other things as well (right now I'm playing around with scissors, glue and paper to design a new box for our wholesale beer packaging) we're also still working on the Hun as well. We even added to our team recently! :)

actually i do not reall answer paul, but i am scared that some people believe his theories :-)

and here we are at the point - this 4,5 million per day in THAT time made you the biggest porn site in the world BECAUSE there where only 5% of the internet users we are dealing with today.

pornhub alone had in 2018 an average of 92 million uniques per day and beside pornhub there are a lot more free tubes in the near of this numbers.

as i know your traffic and i know also their traffic I can say that your traffic is still much better because you have much more returning users in an age-group that have the bigger buying power but also trust.
I can see that on the results of so many websites HOW HUGE the difference in quality is when a website have returning users and power of recommendation.

I wish that more webmasters are aware of those things and see the biz on a long term view.

Patrick attends many events.

Many pictures of him at events posted on facebook

Lol this article about Thommy, and the bedroom pic... is epic. "in his happy place" - can't stop laughing, almost as good as hearing the story of how he tried viagra. If you see him at a show beg him to tell you about that. I think I spent the following week giggling.

I don't like the way this thread turned towards some form of public shaming. It's not a crime that Paul might not know Thommy, the industry is not all that small and there are areas and niches and geos. Holding this against Paul will only cause more hard feelings. It's true that there have always been a few useless trolls that aren't really part of the biz on this board, though I don't plan to name anyone. It's not the case for Thommy, and gfyers can confirm it for you, Paul. It's certain that some people here aren't anyone known or successful, or at least not yet. Thommy is definitely not among that number, either. My point is though - we all have our differences and opinions, let's be adults and work together, and maybe even push it so far as being respectful if possible.

thank you natalie for "knowing me" :-)

actually this was a business thread until paul jumped and puked in his famous doomsday theories in the past tense.

whenever a business thread starts paul needs top jump in and tell us that we are all idiots because there is no money in porn since he left.

he does not even have the smallest clue about this biz, the techniques and the market and today we are not worlds but universes away from what he still reminds.

sure he is an old man and i also respect what he have done in "his era" but we are not here to explain to a fish that there is life above the water. the fish will never understand it and so won't paul.

i know that i should be more restrained but i can't keep my mouth shut when i read so pointless and unprofessional shit.

There’s no money in porn? Oh? Need I be worried?

This is so funny... I bet thommy have more traffic to one 404 page in a week than you have on all sites since they launched.

How do you come up with this?

yes - if I would be you I would buy a brewery :-)

and my 404 pages showing banners :-)
CTR is great - CVR is great too !

Nice! My guess was pretty close :)

You had by far the best traffic I've ever bought.

Do you still sell those top spots?

I was obviously wrong about Thommy, it seems many know him. Traffic to a site doesn't mean a site makes more or less money. It's about buyers, our two content sites did very well that backed up our offline porn business.

The debate is over whether the industry make more money now than it did 12 years ago and would if Tubes disappeared.

I maintain advertising a product can not make more money than selling the product and until the industry carries the big mainstream spenders in advertising. It's limited to mostly advertising porn by giving porn away. :upsidedow

And Thommy or anyone else is yet show the mainstream spends the level of money required. Maybe others will.

There are strict rules what one can or cannot do on those spots, but yes, they're still sold... and still by Cybercat! :)

100 free listings

3 pages WOW!

at least you got that

paul i try it one more time and VERY SLOW for you.

any traffic to any site does not automatically mean to make money.
the adult affiliate business was always based on free sites that tried to convert their visitors into buyers.

now would you agree if i say, that there are people who knows this conversion game better as others? people that are skilled in advertising and data reading?

i am sure there is no doubt about that.

and can we agree that someone with a lot of traffic can play this conversion game better than one with small traffic, because the one with small traffic will need too much time to get the same reliable numbers as the one with the big traffic.

what you do not see here is that around 12 years ago tracking tools have been invented and some smart programs started to work with a clickid. this came very first in nonadult but it lapped over when the first CPA networks showed up.

the CPA networks would never exist without a clickid because this is the BASIC for a trafficbuyer to send one and the same traffic to dozends of offers and even to hundrets of
cpa networks at the same time.

this is the way to find out pott and tap.

so wich banner
on wich adspot
in what country
on what device
makes the most profit on wich landingpage

this turned the complete internet marketing upside down because from this day on it was not necessary anymore to implement a fixed banner on a fixed spot - hoping that the target on this spot will bring something and not knowing if another banner to another target would convert better.

from this day on conversions rates exploded.
even on our tubes we can see not seldom signup rates of 1:30 (but this again depends on the concept of the sale).

the ones that jumped on this new technique have been mobile affiliate programms first - just because the product was not the main focus on this kind of sales.
it would simply not be possible with the very best banner campaign to monetize an interested user for a product that could only be paid from a user that comes through a specified carrier or a specified operating system.

this was the day when so called "performance marketing" was born where the technical circumstances of a user have been more important as the product.

in the years til 2012/2013 there was no easier money than mobile subscriptions.
I alone made around 15-20 thousand subscriptions EVERY DAY - and this was compared to the "good old times" already 100 times more - even when we sold only high compressed softcore videos in 3 minutes lenght as the bandwidth was in average at ISDN or a little bit higher.

when this golden cow (and i think this was the fattest golden cow we have ever seen in this biz) was gone - we still had the technique to lead a specific user into a specific direction.

the first who found that out have been the new generation dating programs.

they complied with the technique and they gave us all we need to market this stuff.

now count 1+1 together and tell me WHO can make more out of a click:

1. a webmaster who is not skilled and do not have time to invest because he have to take care his traffic
or
2. a buyer who have the tools, the time, the skills and the the wide angel of offers he can send y visitor

i think also this is clear that the buyer that is focused on the monetarisation of this click will make 3-4 times more out of it.

so in fact EVEN IF HE WOULD GET THE SAME %-payout as the webmaster affiliate would get he can pay MORE for the same click as the webmaster ever will make.

but this guy is not limited as he buys the traffic he does not have to invest time in maintaining his site, keeping traffic alive and build even more sites.

this guy can simply buy it - and as more as he buys and as more leads he generates his payout will become better and better.

nonadult media buyers found the pornsites quite fast because of sexdating.
sexdating is not only a HUGE market (i woulkd say around 100-500 times bigger than membersites) - it is also hard to find adspace for this kind of product.

when google stopped adwords for porn and sexdating - i made the decision to go back to the roots - back into advertising where i came from originally.

today our buyers are mostly nonadult companies that are promoting all and everything they can. many of them tried porn traffic for very other kind of products and some worked some did not. but as soon they are working the competition starts and more buyers want it and the prices go up.

they will go up to this natural point where advertising eats the profit.
and as long there are products what can make more profit as the other as long our revenue is increasing.

i would not say that membership sites would not have a chance to be in this varity of products we offer today to our visitors. unfortunately ALL this pornsites where sleeping in the past decade. they did not adapt the new marketing methods (even when they are quite easy to realize because it is only one database field more).

so they have been left back and did not even ask why.

a new a MUCH bigger generation of affiliates took over the affiliate market and they are big and smart enough to sell every product what makes profit on a pornsite.

today i.e i got the first advertiser for legal THC/cannabis products.
if they find ONE buyer this buyer will bring them in average a lifetime value of 5.000 euro - compare that with a porn site and don´t tell me again that we can not make money through porn except we sell porn.

i am paying to some of my publishers every month between 50 and 100 thousand euros in adrevenue. and a few of them where those "big ones" that made 10.000 in your time.
i have a few publishers that are doing the internet job since the late 90s as a part time job. for many of them it is now a fulltime job since they understood the power of ad financing.

No idea what you are trying to say... But who gives a fuck

I still regret i wasn't doing international adult back in the days and submitted to The Hun.
We had free hosting at that time (since 1999) cause my partner worked at a big hosting provider and our server was underneath his desk, and the boss didn't mind. We where already happy we where able to host adult without problems. The boss would probably have joined forces. It would have been only profit with minimal cost. But we all have those kind of stories :)

Well said :thumbsup

Too bad he won't read it...

Did Paul Markham submitted galleries to the Hun?

I used to submit there in the link-list era. I was doing free sites for link-o-rama and others, and then one gallery especially for the Hun since the traffic was so big. With time i switched to tgp submitting full time. Good old days.

Yes, used to submit them ourselves to all the top TGP sites that brought us good results.

yes.
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