How much do you charge for a BJ?


Did he tip you good? Did he pay you extra for the rimjob?

The difference between offline and online porn shows is online was unwilling to allow customers into shows while offline welcomed them. So offline shows were huge and online shows small. At the same time and location.

Offline were doing deals talking business and making more money than online because of this.

Letting in the general public was a great boost, charging them reduced stands cost, allowed companies to promote themselves to customers, showed off models to customers, gave the press an excuse to cover the event even to the extent of TV media turning up.

Trade only days and areas allowed business to be done. We thought it better to exclude the public. This resulted in Brussels offline shows being bigger than Vegas online shows. Anyone suggesting the offline companies were spending money to look cool is more stupid than I thought. We were kings at wasting money to look cool.

Anyone suggesting business isn't done at night in the bar is also stupid. Every trade show has a hotel designated for the trade, so deals can be done.

Glad your arm is doing fine, Paul . . .

google translate? not sure I understand your post :(

I've never viewed webmasters as being in adult', from my perspective as a producer. I veined myself as a photographer, however I had to 'hide' what I was doing. i think webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.

the visuals are everything these days :2 cents:

too much for you

Online porn has come from offline shows?

webmasters are like the adult store clerks who sell porn movies, mags, toys, etc...

It has nothing to do with industry insiders' thoughts about porn being good or bad. In the earlier days, law enforcement was lax with regards to porn shows. Times have changed regarding nudity at shows because show operators are now concerned that law enforcement could possibly shut down their shows based on perceived prostitution. If law enforcement thought there was a public orgy taking place, everyone there would get arrested.

Most early sales came from offline porn.

Stop thinking of America being the only place. Europe is more relaxed.

Did you go to the Miami shows and see all the girls in bikinis?

Took me ages to type that. :(

The business has shrunk, companies can no longer afford to overspend on shows. Add the costs of a stand, staff, hotel, flights or even just attending a show and it's obvious the costs are too much now against the returns.

15 years ago no one cared about the ROI of a show blowing high 5 or 6 figures showed you were capable of doing it. Today people are making less and spending less, so going to a show has to be profitable and with modern technology person to person business can be done from home.

The ROI has also dropped because it's mostly the same people going to adult B2B shows, month after month, quarter after quarter, year after year. Why spend 5 or 6 figures at a show when there are few new business opportunities?

Does law enforcement allow public orgies at European shows?

There's a huge difference, as girls in bikinis are not showing their genitals.

It does , but it differ from country to country. That is why some performers doing sex act with sheet in order to stay compliant with law.

And we all know how good most of them are.

This discussion is unbelievable, because we have people in the porn industry discussing the value of having porn at a show.

What next a car show where people debate if they should have cars at the show?

I understand the law limits what can be shown, but a porn show should feature porn. If attendees aren't interested in porn they are like store clerks useless.

the only one that is useless is you because you babbling about things that you never understood and will never understand.

if you or any other of the past time honks would really make that much money in this times I wonder why none of you can enjoy his millionair life ?

show me one that agrees with you and can afford to buy a used bicycle from his own money.

old fucktards that got asskicked when the real (but a bit more complicated) chances came up.

obviously you can't even earn enough money if it hits you on the head. so don't tell us anything about your entrepreneur genius, because you never were one and you are much less today.

Can y'all hurry up and die already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhTuYKR-ejo

I know a couple of the pioneers in the DVD / VHS / broadcast world very well and neither one of them have any clue who Paul is. They also don't live in a shack in Eastern Europe. :1orglaugh

No reason has been given why a porn show doesn't feature porn unless the law forbids it and the cost is beyond most companies.

So nerds retreat to personnel abuse because they have nothing left.

that´s what i say.
I also know a lot of them and many of them are still in biz. they have just adapted the new concept and are still doing good as usual.

i don't really care what others do and think but i will never understand that people who just couldn't see over the mountain then later say there is nothing behind the mountain.

the times paul knows were the beginning times of the internet and they were as good as the beginning times of the cinema where you had to pre-order tickets for weeks because there were only a few of them.

paul didn't invent the internet or pornography. he didn't find any techniques to transfer the whole thing to the net or to think up a way to pay online.

none of it was invented just for porn and the internet is therefore a future business because all this applies to everything.

So he didn't get the idea of the internet and he still believes that all this was created just for his benefit.

people like paul never understood that they could only earn money because the real professionals weren't running yet.
as soon as someone with a brain shows up, all these amateurs have to throw in the towel.

i bet paul sits at home in front of his goldfish bowl and says to the fish: i told you not to jump in there - now you have to drown!

Or you could answer the question about why you live in that shithole with no money to your name when you are as smart as you claim....

the years before my mother died with over 90, she was telling me every day that she spoke with here own mother, who was sitting in a tree in our garden.

nobody was able to explain her that her mother was already dead over 50 years NOBODY!

I am also over 60 and i fear nothing more than the day when I think that all I know is an unchangeable fact. I hope I will die before I am another paul.

Why answer a lie?

Give us good reasons a porn show doesn't feature porn?

What is it that the site of naked people would deter people from doing business?

Why would opening up shows to paying customers, with designated trade only areas, be a bad thing?

You think knowing and experiencing how offline shows used to be makes someone claim he's smart. When all it took was being there. You're not very bright.

Like people who think a magazine photographer would be known by DVD / VHS / broadcast people. Different sides of the industry. Ask magazine and online people.

Stop insulting Brno just because Paul lives here...

This.

The other driver of boobs and parties was always to gather up as many idiot webmasters as possible. Back in the day there were plenty of guys who got into the business because they were losers looking at naked pictures all day and fell into a way to make money from it. Businesses were simply giving those rabble who lived the life what they wanted while they were valuable. Those people are no longer valuable and most of them have returned to their former jobs in fast food.

Quite frankly, its difficult to convince me that I need to go to ANY show now. I can fly into a city, see the couple people who are important to me, and fly home. A good dinner, a good night out, and no embarrassing bottom feeder with a porn teeshirt explaining how you are both pornographers.

Those of us who SELL the life simply have no time or need for those of you still trying to LIVE the life.

THIS is what paul does not understand.
the biz in this days was that easy that every moron could make money.
and as soon as it is public that there is money on the street the ones with skills will show up and take it over.


well, marketing in general does mostly not only include the people you already know (if so you are lucky). an exhibition is always a chance to make new contacts - even when you will not need them today. but in some future you will.

or we see it as a job - no butcher will go to an exhibition to see how pigs get killed.
if this is the reason why he makes his job he is so wrong in his biz as one who is in the pornbiz because he can watch porn.

Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there.

Real business was always done at the private dinners and parties at high end nightclubs (and some in strip clubs and suite parties that did have nude girls, but that didn't feel so creepy) and that is still happening today. A lot of big business for the online adult industry now even gets done in shows that don't even officially allow any adult/nudity such as Affiliate World.

I don't think it has to do with age. Back then most of the guys in the business, especially on the marketing end, were guys that sat at their house or moms basement making easy money without any skill and investment. Now it is taken over by professional corporations, and smart media buyers who don't need to see nude girls in a room filled with guys.

There is so much going on in this industry that most guys here don't seem to have any idea about. Most guys seem to have no idea where all the money is flowing and how or what kind of people are making the money now. To today's people it doesn't matter what exact product they sell, as long as it has a good ROI.

Sorry! Brno have nice areas... just not the area where Paul lives

Overall, nothing is permanent . . . or the only permanent thing is nothingness.

It's not a lie... wake the fuck up Paul, you were done 13 years ago!
You live in that shithole with no money to your name, relying on social welfare just to get by. The average busdriver salery of CZK 34,105 would be a luxury for you.

It cost less than $50,- to get the public records on anything with your name on it. And dont give me the bullshit about "its registered in your partners name"... I checked those as well... all of them.

100% agree - but paul will not because he never understood internet.
today each one of the top amateurs from mydirtyhobby makes much more money as paul ever did in his "golden days" and if you look in all amateur portals you will find out that the number of this top amateurs is 100 times bigger as the number of so called "porn-producers" in this good old days.

he assumes that the cake is now smaller or gone because he can not even get a crumb out of it. so his professional quality is the same as from those you have described and who are back to work as trainee at McDonalds.

but gis type of people will perfer to bite their own tounge as to admit that they are amateurs that where lucky enough to make money in a time when we all have been just amateurs.

I disagree with this. While I no longer produce content, I still work in adult. I cannot go into Starbucks and do my job. I can't be in Starbucks cropping images of naked chicks. It's adult content.

Do your peers respect you?

Most of the billionaires I knew in offline porn loved seeing naked or semi clad girls Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc. Right the way down to photographers like me. They knew what to market, create, sell, without a page full of stats to tell them.

Now we have people who do need stats to tell them whats good. Who don't want to see naked girls and even worse will keep them out and reduce the effectiveness of the shows. They excluded customers because of the arrogance of webmasters a truly stupid move.

And the excuse is some didn't want to see semi naked girls on a stand. So don't look at the naked girls because true pornographers get to see it in our jobs and it becomes meaningless to us, however we know it sells.

Tell us about your sites.

Lies. I live in a picturess town outside Brno and no public records will give my Private Pensions.

So :321GFY you liar.

The problem is a lot of the webmasters are ashamed of their urges. So excluding what drives them is a benefit to them.

And some don't have any affinity to the product the sell so are not really selling, they just offer up packages based on stats. 12clunks would be useless at building a site of a product he had no clue whether it was good or bad. Did these guys never look at porn as a consumer before they came to the business or were they avid consumers guilty of their urges.

Some admit to going to strip clubs and paying for what they don't want for free at a show. So the free shows must have put them off doing business.

If they are just crunching numbers they can and a lot of webmasters do just that.

lool - you are talking about pimps and real estate tycoons and magazins that are not worth the paper they are printed on today.
why don´t you start with julius cesar ?

again paul - you DEFINATELY do not have a clue of what you are talking about when you think you are one like flynt, raymond etc....
you know them? but i am sure they don´t know you.
these people where business man and not amateurs like you and they always adapted.

you could not even adapt when things changed from SD to HD.
there are thousands in the adult biz today that make 100 times more per year as you and a few others made in their best years.

so keep on dreaming in yesterday while we enjoy the money of today and tomorrow.

LOL. The tax write off.

Tax Write offs only apply to companies making millions in profit. Writing off the cost of a show, stand, staff, entertainment, hotels food, flights and time away from doing real work only matters if the real work is worth it.

Back in the days when money was easy to come by people went to shows for a break from work. Today they all admit they can't afford that.

Today revenue is so low the big spenders are no longer those with access to models to take to shows. Even traffic people have small stands, few staff if that. The days of double floored stands with staff, girls and lots of people attending the show are long gone.

If you want girls go to a car show and find out why they have girls. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...w=1366&bih=625

someone shut mute you

it is disgusting how much you make yourself a clown.

do yourself a favor a make a poll with title "Am I an idiot?" and see the result

Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings.

but paul won't understand that.
it's a kind of morbid envy. but since he knows that he himself is not smart enough to have even a little bit of success today, he hates those who have learned to play in a level where he was never allowed to play.

So many words, think global. We have devices.. smartphones, iPads. May be not too many people spend their time sitting on the computer. Going somewhere. Spend their time talking to someone. Twitter, groups, instagram.. Find models in group and doing it.. Before webcam was leading in that niche or solo sites, but now? We can communicate with who we want. And now much easy to find someone online. Do we back in old times?

this is why we are growing findcamgirl.com and findskypesex.com :thumbsup
girls are independent now :2 cents:

You don't know any billionaires. You never did.

fucking roasted boys. What's up 12clicks you old goat.

Paul hasn't lost his award-winning troll touch . . .