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Ferus 09-30-2019 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22535988)
Stop insulting Brno just because Paul lives here...
Sorry! Brno have nice areas... just not the area where Paul lives

CaptainHowdy 09-30-2019 07:54 AM
Overall, nothing is permanent . . . or the only permanent thing is nothingness.

Ferus 09-30-2019 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22535979)
Why answer a lie?

Give us good reasons a porn show doesn't feature porn?

What is it that the site of naked people would deter people from doing business?

Why would opening up shows to paying customers, with designated trade only areas, be a bad thing?

You think knowing and experiencing how offline shows used to be makes someone claim he's smart. When all it took was being there. You're not very bright.

Like people who think a magazine photographer would be known by DVD / VHS / broadcast people. Different sides of the industry. Ask magazine and online people.

It's not a lie... wake the fuck up Paul, you were done 13 years ago!
You live in that shithole with no money to your name, relying on social welfare just to get by. The average busdriver salery of CZK 34,105 would be a luxury for you.

It cost less than $50,- to get the public records on anything with your name on it. And dont give me the bullshit about "its registered in your partners name"... I checked those as well... all of them.

thommy 09-30-2019 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 22536463)
Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there.

Real business was always done at the private dinners and parties at high end nightclubs (and some in strip clubs and suite parties that did have nude girls, but that didn't feel so creepy) and that is still happening today. A lot of big business for the online adult industry now even gets done in shows that don't even officially allow any adult/nudity such as Affiliate World.

I don't think it has to do with age. Back then most of the guys in the business, especially on the marketing end, were guys that sat at their house making easy money. Now it is taken over by professional corporations and smart media buyers who don't need to see nude girls in a room filled with guys.

There is so much going on in this industry that most guys here don't seem to have any idea about. Most guys seem to have no idea where all the money is flowing and how or what kind of people are making the money now.

100% agree - but paul will not because he never understood internet.
today each one of the top amateurs from mydirtyhobby makes much more money as paul ever did in his "golden days" and if you look in all amateur portals you will find out that the number of this top amateurs is 100 times bigger as the number of so called "porn-producers" in this good old days.

he assumes that the cake is now smaller or gone because he can not even get a crumb out of it. so his professional quality is the same as from those you have described and who are back to work as trainee at McDonalds.

but gis type of people will perfer to bite their own tounge as to admit that they are amateurs that where lucky enough to make money in a time when we all have been just amateurs.

Rochard 09-30-2019 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22534675)
I've never viewed webmasters as being in adult', from my perspective as a producer. I veined myself as a photographer, however I had to 'hide' what I was doing. i think webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.
I disagree with this. While I no longer produce content, I still work in adult. I cannot go into Starbucks and do my job. I can't be in Starbucks cropping images of naked chicks. It's adult content.

ghjghj 09-30-2019 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22536493)
I still work in adult
Do your peers respect you?

Paul Markham 10-01-2019 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22536439)
This.

The other driver of boobs and parties was always to gather up as many idiot webmasters as possible. Back in the day there were plenty of guys who got into the business because they were losers looking at naked pictures all day and fell into a way to make money from it. Businesses were simply giving those rabble who lived the life what they wanted while they were valuable. Those people are no longer valuable and most of them have returned to their former jobs in fast food.

Quite frankly, its difficult to convince me that I need to go to ANY show now. I can fly into a city, see the couple people who are important to me, and fly home. A good dinner, a good night out, and no embarrassing bottom feeder with a porn teeshirt explaining how you are both pornographers.

Those of us who SELL the life simply have no time or need for those of you still trying to LIVE the life.
Most of the billionaires I knew in offline porn loved seeing naked or semi clad girls Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc. Right the way down to photographers like me. They knew what to market, create, sell, without a page full of stats to tell them.

Now we have people who do need stats to tell them whats good. Who don't want to see naked girls and even worse will keep them out and reduce the effectiveness of the shows. They excluded customers because of the arrogance of webmasters a truly stupid move.

And the excuse is some didn't want to see semi naked girls on a stand. So don't look at the naked girls because true pornographers get to see it in our jobs and it becomes meaningless to us, however we know it sells.

Tell us about your sites.

Paul Markham 10-01-2019 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22536472)
It's not a lie... wake the fuck up Paul, you were done 13 years ago!
You live in that shithole with no money to your name, relying on social welfare just to get by. The average busdriver salery of CZK 34,105 would be a luxury for you.

It cost less than $50,- to get the public records on anything with your name on it. And dont give me the bullshit about "its registered in your partners name"... I checked those as well... all of them.
Lies. I live in a picturess town outside Brno and no public records will give my Private Pensions.

So :321GFY you liar.

Paul Markham 10-01-2019 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22536493)
I disagree with this. While I no longer produce content, I still work in adult. I cannot go into Starbucks and do my job. I can't be in Starbucks cropping images of naked chicks. It's adult content.
The problem is a lot of the webmasters are ashamed of their urges. So excluding what drives them is a benefit to them.

And some don't have any affinity to the product the sell so are not really selling, they just offer up packages based on stats. 12clunks would be useless at building a site of a product he had no clue whether it was good or bad. Did these guys never look at porn as a consumer before they came to the business or were they avid consumers guilty of their urges.

Some admit to going to strip clubs and paying for what they don't want for free at a show. So the free shows must have put them off doing business.

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webmasters can work at Starbucks, hence not in adult.
If they are just crunching numbers they can and a lot of webmasters do just that.

thommy 10-01-2019 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22537000)
Most of the billionaires I knew in offline porn loved seeing naked or semi clad girls Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc. Right the way down to photographers like me. They knew what to market, create, sell, without a page full of stats to tell them.
lool - you are talking about pimps and real estate tycoons and magazins that are not worth the paper they are printed on today.
why donīt you start with julius cesar ?

again paul - you DEFINATELY do not have a clue of what you are talking about when you think you are one like flynt, raymond etc....
you know them? but i am sure they donīt know you.
these people where business man and not amateurs like you and they always adapted.

you could not even adapt when things changed from SD to HD.
there are thousands in the adult biz today that make 100 times more per year as you and a few others made in their best years.

so keep on dreaming in yesterday while we enjoy the money of today and tomorrow.

Rochard 10-01-2019 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22535092)
The ROI has also dropped because it's mostly the same people going to adult B2B shows, month after month, quarter after quarter, year after year. Why spend 5 or 6 figures at a show when there are few new business opportunities?
LOL. The tax write off.

Paul Markham 10-01-2019 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22537036)
LOL. The tax write off.
Tax Write offs only apply to companies making millions in profit. Writing off the cost of a show, stand, staff, entertainment, hotels food, flights and time away from doing real work only matters if the real work is worth it.

Back in the days when money was easy to come by people went to shows for a break from work. Today they all admit they can't afford that.

Today revenue is so low the big spenders are no longer those with access to models to take to shows. Even traffic people have small stands, few staff if that. The days of double floored stands with staff, girls and lots of people attending the show are long gone.

If you want girls go to a car show and find out why they have girls. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...w=1366&bih=625

thommy 10-01-2019 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22537089)
Tax Write offs only apply to companies making millions in profit. Writing off the cost of a show, stand, staff, entertainment, hotels food, flights and time away from doing real work only matters if the real work is worth it.

Back in the days when money was easy to come by people went to shows for a break from work. Today they all admit they can't afford that.

Today revenue is so low the big spenders are no longer those with access to models to take to shows. Even traffic people have small stands, few staff if that. The days of double floored stands with staff, girls and lots of people attending the show are long gone.

If you want girls go to a car show and find out why they have girls. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...w=1366&bih=625
someone shut mute you

it is disgusting how much you make yourself a clown.

do yourself a favor a make a poll with title "Am I an idiot?" and see the result

Kittens 10-01-2019 11:00 AM
Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings.

thommy 10-01-2019 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Kittens (Post 22537150)
Because not just any schmoe can throw some pics up and a join link and start raking in the money. It takes skills, patience and most of all money to make money in online poorn now days... Long gone are the days of those who throw a few links up and now make tons of money who go out partying constantly. Welcome to the world of business and people who take their business seriously, want professional business oriented settings.
but paul won't understand that.
it's a kind of morbid envy. but since he knows that he himself is not smart enough to have even a little bit of success today, he hates those who have learned to play in a level where he was never allowed to play.

MatureKing 10-01-2019 01:39 PM
So many words, think global. We have devices.. smartphones, iPads. May be not too many people spend their time sitting on the computer. Going somewhere. Spend their time talking to someone. Twitter, groups, instagram.. Find models in group and doing it.. Before webcam was leading in that niche or solo sites, but now? We can communicate with who we want. And now much easy to find someone online. Do we back in old times?

emmasexytime 10-02-2019 04:45 AM
this is why we are growing findcamgirl.com and findskypesex.com :thumbsup
girls are independent now :2 cents:

12clicks 10-02-2019 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22537000)
Most of the billionaires I knew
You don't know any billionaires. You never did.

Kittens 10-02-2019 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22537514)
You don't know any billionaires. You never did.
fucking roasted boys. What's up 12clicks you old goat.

CaptainHowdy 10-02-2019 07:51 AM
Paul hasn't lost his award-winning troll touch . . .

O MARINA 10-02-2019 07:58 AM
100 Changed GFY'ers

Raja 10-02-2019 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by O MARINA (Post 22537592)
100 Changed GFY'ers
I just wanted to be below Marina...btw I LOVE your shoes

Mickey_ 10-02-2019 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Raja (Post 22537624)
I just wanted to be below Marina...btw I LOVE your shoes
Can we please rearrange the order so that she's in the middle? Much obliged.

#marinainthemiddle coming to Netflix this fall. Plot very loosely based on Malcolm in the Middle.

12clicks 10-02-2019 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kittens (Post 22537581)
fucking roasted boys. What's up 12clicks you old goat.
best sig on the board

RyuLion 10-02-2019 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22534375)
Most models are cam models. Go to a Webcam Summit organised by chaturbate etcetra and you see more woman than man. They don't need the middle man.

Maybe it is time for you to go to a swingersclub and leave your camera home.
:2 cents::2 cents: That's what I see at the shows also, exept for TES Affeiliate Conferences over 1500 professionals.

Rochard 10-02-2019 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 22536463)
Even back in the day (I started going to the shows in 1998 or 1999) I didn't understand why there were many booths and parties with nude girls and even live sex etc. To me it always felt like a sausage party filled with weird guys that lived in their moms basements and never had sex or seen naked girls in real life before and old dirty content producer guys. For me in my late teens/early twenties this was very creepy, I really saw them as dirty creepy guys. I came to the shows to make new contacts for credit card processors, content deals, traffic deals, new products, learn about the latest marketing methods etc. I had no desire to watch some people having sex or nude girls masturbating together with 100+ other guys. If I wanted to see nude girls I'd go to a nice club and pick up a girl there.
There are lots of different sides to this industry.... Some of us produce content, but most of us don't. For those of us who do not shoot content seeing a topless chick walk around a show is fun for them. For those webmasters who work eight hours a day at a computer making websites and galleries but rarely if ever see a naked chick, yeah, naked chicks pull people in.

We one kid who bought a domain and put up a TGP and within days he was making bank... This kid actually owned a Ferrari when he was still a virgin. He loved hanging out with models.

fuzebox 10-02-2019 12:15 PM
I always found the naked chicks screaming of desperation, plus the crowd of show photographers around them snapping thousands of photos...

I'm here to make money because I seem to be better at it than other industries, I don't need a trade show to also be a porn set. There still seems to be enough sex, drugs, and booze at shows to get me in trouble anyway :1orglaugh

CaptainHowdy 10-02-2019 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 22537711)
best sig on the board
He used to have an even better one . . .

InfoGuy 10-02-2019 04:43 PM
Paul is not the only dinosaur who thinks the Internet killed the porn industry.

Prolific adult star Ron Jeremy believes internet killed the porn industry

Nicky 10-02-2019 04:54 PM
At least the thread brought out some old-timers, so there's that. ;)

Rochard 10-02-2019 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22537911)
Paul is not the only dinosaur who thinks the Internet killed the porn industry.

Prolific adult star Ron Jeremy believes internet killed the porn industry
Ron Jeremy isn't allowed to have an opinion on anything. Ron Jermey was a pornstar who had his day in the 1980s. I've partied with Ron a dozen times, and no offense to him, but Ron was "content" - a long, long time ago. And he never moved past that.

MassMarketing 10-02-2019 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22533814)
I run the YNOT Shoot Me site which is all pictures from shows. Being in the industry since the late 1990s and comparing show pictures from them to now is a huge difference. Twenty plus years ago someone would rent a suite or even a house and buy a shit load of booze and everyone would being models. Now... It seems we rent out a resturant or some fully staffed space and.... It doesn't seem to be as much fun.

No nudity. And surely no fucking.

I remember one time at a show a model handed me the wireless remote control to her vibrator and told me I was in charge of her orgasms all night.

Sigh. Our industry isn't nearly as much fun.
Lets bring it back!

Paul Markham 10-02-2019 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 22537911)
Paul is not the only dinosaur who thinks the Internet killed the porn industry.

Prolific adult star Ron Jeremy believes internet killed the porn industry
So what did cause the financial decline of the porn industry?

Paul Markham 10-02-2019 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22537791)
I always found the naked chicks screaming of desperation, plus the crowd of show photographers around them snapping thousands of photos...

I'm here to make money because I seem to be better at it than other industries, I don't need a trade show to also be a porn set. There still seems to be enough sex, drugs, and booze at shows to get me in trouble anyway :1orglaugh
So you don't want the industry to feature what it sells. You don't want bigger better shows featuring what the industry sells and the customers it sells to either.

Why?

Woodchuck 10-03-2019 12:21 AM
this place rolls over and sleeps at night. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh no more countries outside of the united states post here in the day. meaning they are out working.

thommy 10-03-2019 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22538025)
So what did cause the financial decline of the porn industry?
again WICH decline you are talking about?

your decline is not the industry ! it is your personal dumbness !

Konda 10-03-2019 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22538025)
So what did cause the financial decline of the porn industry?

Define porn industry?

The only thing that I can think of that declined over the last 10-15 years is things old school Videos/DVDs, mass content producers and smaller affiliates and paysites.

But on the other side more people are watching porn today than ever before. The big remaining porn networks, ad networks, traffic networks, tube site owners, media buyers, amateurs and independent models, cam models, dating sites, etc. combined make a LOT more than what was being made in the 'porn industry' 15 years ago. There is no decline, there is an increase.

You think that just because less people buy porn dvds or less people per impression buy memberships that the industry is declining. But you forget there are so many new parts of the porn industry now that you apparently don't know about, or don't want to know about, that make the money now and you just don't want to believe it, because you can't see it.

Like thommy said, for example all those amateurs and independent models alone are making more money combined today than all the porn affiliates back in the day made combined.

I don't understand why you fail to believe this when people that are actually part of today's 'porn industry' tell you so.

Konda 10-03-2019 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22537784)
There are lots of different sides to this industry.... Some of us produce content, but most of us don't. For those of us who do not shoot content seeing a topless chick walk around a show is fun for them. For those webmasters who work eight hours a day at a computer making websites and galleries but rarely if ever see a naked chick, yeah, naked chicks pull people in.

We one kid who bought a domain and put up a TGP and within days he was making bank... This kid actually owned a Ferrari when he was still a virgin. He loved hanging out with models.
I love hanging out with models too, what I meant was those booths and parties with naked girls and/or live sex surrounded by 100 guys snapping pictures like they never saw a naked girl before. To me that was super creepy. Like if you want to see that just go to AVN next door. Of course I loved the private suite parties with models like any other guy :winkwink:

thommy 10-03-2019 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 22538106)
I don't understand why you fail to believe this when people that are actually part of today's 'porn industry' tell you so.
this is the wrong question to an ignorant man who claims to be the inventor of warm water just because he accidentally pissed his hand once.

Mickey_ 10-03-2019 07:39 AM
Three pages of someone explaining how a maturing industry cleaning up its act and tightening up its image is a bad thing.


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